Police arrest 2 teens in Ga. baby killing
Source: AP (Seattle Times)
BRUNSWICK, Ga.
Police arrested two teenagers Friday who are suspected in the shooting death of a baby in a stroller and the wounding of the baby's mother during an attempted robbery.
Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder, along with a 14-year-old who was not identified because he is a juvenile, Police Chief Tobe Green said.
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"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she said. "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said `I don't have it.' And he said, `Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, `No, don't kill my baby!'"
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"The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy."
Read more: http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2020615333_apusbabyinstrollerslain.html
atreides1
(16,071 posts)Hopefully these are the two that did it...
Richardo
(38,391 posts)What an evil fucking jerkwad asshole.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)s
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...please?
Serve The Servants
(328 posts)"ME IN MY NIGGA"S A TURN UR BLO5K IN TO MURDER SCENE"
This is from the suspect's FB page in the general info section - meaning it's a broadcast statement to all those who can read it and not some tough guy comment directed at a specific person or adversary.
Real fucking stand up citizen this POS was...
If found guilty, I hope he gets put in the Georgia express lane to eternity.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)What the fuck makes someone do that to a 13-MONTH-OLD?
What kind of sociopathic, psychopathic FUCK does that?
Makes me sick to my stomach. Mother and baby go out for a stroll and run across these despicable pieces of shit.
Mika
(17,751 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:45 AM - Edit history (2)
The murder of any innocents sickens and enrages me. No matter where it happens.
Rabid_Rabbit
(131 posts)"My boy is such a good boy and he has never been in trouble before"
Hope he gets all the punishment the law provides
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)get's charged for failure to secure their weapon.
bubbayugga
(222 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Remember, requiring gun registration is EEEVEEEEL! and is only used by the big bad gubmint to take away yer gunz!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)bubbayugga
(222 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)get the red out
(13,461 posts)And I hope the law provides enough to prevent future victims. 4% of all people are sociopaths, these two boys are prime candidates to be counted in that minority of conscious-free people.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I'd be giving the Kochs a run for their money.
I hope this piece of shit enjoys the rest of his life behind bars.
Andy Stanton
(264 posts)Is fully warranted here.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Life in prison without parole.
It's cheaper, and not playing god.
Andy Stanton
(264 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)OK?
demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)like, longtime posters even.
i wish i could say i'm surprised.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)its always best to take a wait and see approach.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Hope when this goes to trial, it will be publicized. By the time it does, people will have forgotten about the case.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Just tired of hearing the same old pathetic excuses.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's fairly ugly.
BeyondGeography
(39,368 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and/or not believing her story.
it's kind of ugly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022552516
BeyondGeography
(39,368 posts)People who have certainly never been accosted for money either. Sheesh.
susanr516
(1,425 posts)Usually, a child isn't killed, just the adult (who could ID the thief.)
What a horrible crime.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Sigh. "I just asked a question", the usual dodge used by victim-blamers.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)She didn't have any money with her! And don't people think that, if she did, she would have handed it over to keep her baby and herself safe???
And even if she did have money, what would have stopped these fucks from shooting the baby anyway? Probably nothing.
Thanks for the heads-up on the thread. I won't be going there.
Mika
(17,751 posts)I was simply asking why she wouldn't hand over her purse, after the kid demanded it, in an attempt to save her baby.
Hanging on to purses seems to be a common way for some women getting injured or killed during robberies.
Somehow, that question has been spun into my blaming the mother.
Seems to me that there are DUers looking to spin for a fight any day.
Cheers.
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Wind Dancer
(3,618 posts)Shameful!
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)We've seen a number of stories like this turn out to actually be one of the parents.
Such a shocking story, the poor mom. My first thoughts were wrong and I am very glad they found the monsters who did this so they can't hurt anyone else.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)In this thread.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)Would love to know how the older one got the gun.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)That's so sad.
REP
(21,691 posts)Glassey was killed with a steak knife in March 2008 during an attack involving several other teens on a dark street corner in Gloucester County, N.J., according to news reports from the time.
"He and some other boys were going to ambush a kid," Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County prosecutor's office, told the AP Friday.
Glassey was armed with a knife, but the 17-year-old target of the attack was able to get the knife away from him "and Glassey ended up on the wrong end of the knife," Weisenfeld recalled.
Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)[center][/center]
~snip~
Her son, Shaun Glassey, 18, was stabbed with a steak knife in West Deptford in March of 2008.
Police say Glassey was the one originally carrying the knife and he had intentions to kill another teen, when his target grabbed the knife. Prosecutors never charged anyone with his death because they said it was self defense.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51297242/
REP
(21,691 posts)Both targeted other kids (though one was a helpless infant).
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I do read articles before commenting. I know, rare for a DUer.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)penalty. It is sometimes warranted.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)But the killers are juveniles, who usually do not get the death penalty. Hopefully, they will get life without parole. I just watched the news story on our local Atlanta TV station. They showed the mother and it was just heartbreaking.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)I believe in chain gangs for these animals. Make them work at hard public labor 5 days a week 9 hours a day, with their names on the backs of their jump suits, so all thug wanna bees will see what happens. These thugs know that, if they get a life sentence or the death penalty, they will spend time in a cell, just doing nothing, and they think that will bring them "cred". Make them do hard labor to repay the victims and the state for their crimes. See how gangsta they will be after ten years of hard labor.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)make 'em work, work hard in the GA heat and make the work an absolute necessity. For example, make it so that they have to grow their own food, build theiir own shelter, make their own clothes, furniture, tools, etc. No work therefore means: no food, no place to sleep...
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)There are those with a complete disregard for others and their lives, but this - it's unimaginable. At least he's 17 and will be tried as an adult. I don't give him much of a chance for a long life in the prison system. Shooting a sleeping baby in the face isn't usually a popular move among the inmate population.
marshall
(6,665 posts)We need to ban violent gangs that have such horrific practices.
B2G
(9,766 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Because, you know, young white guys never commit violent crimes.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Desensitized as I am to crime stories, this one shook even me up. Just pure cold-blooded fucking evil. No other word for it.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Both should be charged as adults and be sentenced to life w/o parole. I have a feeling the 14 y/o won't be tried as adult though
mainer
(12,022 posts)because that is notoriously unreliable.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)hey pachuco
(3 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:31 AM - Edit history (1)
These young gentlemen were but mere African-American teenagers (one of them was barely a teen). Teenagers are indeed America's treasure and we should never judge them too harshly ... or too quick.
As in virtually all cases of this nature, it is most probable that they were simply mischievous, impish, "boys being boys." Study their photographs which personifies sentiments of angelic innocence.
Please hold your personal judgement -- and wrath, until after a fair trial.
Thank you
firenewt
(298 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)There is only one photo and that is of the 17 year old. He certainly does not have the look of angelic innocence.
richmwill
(1,326 posts)Of course a trial needs to be held. But if they are guilty- let justice be swift and brutal. Yes, even to your "treasures" and "mischievous boys being boys". Brutal justice.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Youthful exuberance does not include killing a toddler.
Sorry.
And the mug shot of the one guy? Are you looking at the same photo as I am?
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)You're so fucking funny! You could take this comedy routine to Fox, I'm sure they'll snap it right up.
hey pachuco
(3 posts)There is absolutely nothing funny about two African-American teenagers being arrested for murder based on the chief of police's reasoning that "We checked all the schools that day. They were absent. We have to assume it was them."
Please do not laugh about, mock, taunt and show contempt for this matter until more facts are available.
The mother of the accused 17-year-old has stated to police that her son has a good heart, is a good boy, and could never do something like that.
It is doubtful that such a cherubic and angelically, sweet child could be that evil.
His face reflects a childlilke innocence which surely stimulates the maternal instincts of all women.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Your deadpan delivery is just too too side-splitting. You're killing me. Stop, please, stop.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Then again, I think this is one massive chain yank, so shame on me for even replying.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)....really?
come get some of this you sorry piece of unwashed banus.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)For a moment I thought that you were serious.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)NavyDavy
(1,224 posts)be before the klueless klown klan come out because the shooters were african american and mrs west is white....this is georgia afterall....
NavyDavy
(1,224 posts)like the reich wingers that were going after trayvon martin because of stuff he supposedly did or said.....
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)They will get a fair trial, but I doubt any jury will find them not guilty.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)...who doubt the mother's story.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)that is why I think they are guilty.
Mosby
(16,297 posts)To ensure as fair a trial as possible, we set up a system so the prosecutor must prove guilt.
It has absolutly nothing to do with people talking and speculating about guilt or innocence.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Trayvon was a victim, these "kids" are not. False and massively stupid equivalence.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Very proud of how quickly they got 'em.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I'm not under the same obligation.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)did it, or whether the cops just went out and rounded up the nearest two kids with brown skin and no alibi.
And are they certain the mom didn't kill her own child and then try to blame anonymous kids??
Not trolling or flamebaiting here. I have just watched a few too many true crime shows lately where the real killer tried to blame anonymous black folks.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...in the Excited States of America.
What will you do with it, this time? Same as usual? Spend a week or two fretting about the victims and the perpetrators; get jiggy with each other about the proper punishment for the 'bad' guys and then sit back, satisfied that the Criminal Justice Industry will make it all better.
Here's a suggestion. If curbing violence in the society is in the public interest,and as democratic activists you see some personal responsibility to act in this pursuit, it would seem your time could be better spent doing something other than jumping around, waving your arms and 'doubling down' on every righteous principal you ever held.
We had an high school exercise, in the 70's where we would calm the raging hormones of all the 'intellectual alpha dogs' in the room by forming small groups, and have them all work on the same question. Class discussion would center around the group decisions where extraneous crazy talk had already been dismissed as 'irrelevant' or non-productive.
The question of discovering the causes of violence in our society and the methods and principles we use to eliminate it deserve more attention than we seem to be able to give. Rather than violently expressing ones outrage at the outrageous violence of another, why don't you get into groups and present a consensus opinion of why is there such violence in our society. Use 'current events' as a source.
.
britaphilter
(14 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Interesting first post.
bubbayugga
(222 posts)markiv
(1,489 posts)where they have nothing inside them that inhibits them from doing something like that
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)1. Lets wait for the evidence against the two teens. Too often in the past it was grab the first convenient black face.
2. Can the mother be excluded (or at least determined to not have fired the bullets which hit her).
3. Is it possible that the mothers story is covering up her involvement in a crime (not the far more important crime of killing the child, but there was a case in Nashville years ago in which a dad went to a drug buy with his kid in the back seat - it did not go well and the kid was shot and killed - that is still capital murder for the shooter, but it makes the shooter a little less cold blooded).
If it is as the mother stated, then I see no redemption for the shooter. It will be a lifetime of incarceration. No parole ever. Even on this pretty liberal board, you will find very few that would be comfortable with extending parole even 40 years later for something like this.
It appears that the 17 year old has an alibi. His aunt was serving him breakfast. Could you imagine lying like this to cover up such a crime (if she is lying). If the alibi is cracked, I hope the aunt is prosecuted to the fullest extent as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/demarquis-elkins-arrested-baby-antonio_n_2939022.html
britaphilter
(14 posts)Or should we assume she was serving him breakfast because she said so?
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)It could come down to the aunt's credibility versus the other eyewitness testimony (especially that of the possible 14 year old accomplice - he probably gets deal to testify against the 17 year old - that combined with a positive ID by the mother would be enough to trump the aunt's alibi and put her truthfulness into question). Tying the gun (if it is found) to the 17 year old would also do it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I don't think anyone else has come foward noticing these youths in the area. Perhaps local stores have video? The kids were on foot, a long distance from home? did noone else in car or home,notice 2 youths on the move?
I hope their police get a very firm case, something like gun res. on the shooters hands. If there is no gun res. on the kids hands and no other wittnesses placing them there...I don't think they should take the Moms word for it on the ID off police prepared photo spread. Not that she is outright lying (though that has happened before).
toopers
(1,224 posts)not to the shooting but to seeing people running away and identifying a car.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)You do realize that people heard the shots and called 911 immediately? Then someone called in a tip about a car leaving with a person crouching in the back.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)There is going to have to be hard evidence (gunshot residue on hands?)
LisaL
(44,973 posts)rollin74
(1,973 posts)and that the older suspect, Elkins, threatened to kill him
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)I can't quit thinking about it.
It is just so unbelievably awful even for a society full of awfulness right now.
setab
(8 posts)Particularly if there is a minor who is a perpetrator, both of the child's parents (or guardian) - even if there is no "dad in the picture," should have liability.
If your minor child commits a crime and is convicted, I believe you failed as a parent and should be liable, particularly if no mental illness or physical issue is involved.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)I get so angry at the parents when children do something horrific, where were THEY during this kid's development?????
rollin74
(1,973 posts)and didn't do anything wrong
judge says that the younger teen will also be charged with murder, not yet clear if charged as juvenile or adult
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)if he wants to avoid jail time. Interesting the mother implicated him as a witness contradicting the supposed alibi of the murderer.
rollin74
(1,973 posts)the 15 year old's mother is even saying that her son turned in the 17 year old to police
Mz Pip
(27,436 posts)The two of them were trying to rob a woman. He may not have pulled the trigger but it seems like he was a willing participant in the events leading up to the shooting.
GreenRanger
(20 posts)The world today makes me cry sometimes.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I hope that he rots in jail.