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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:40 PM Mar 2013

Police arrest 2 teens in Ga. baby killing

Source: AP (Seattle Times)

BRUNSWICK, Ga. —
Police arrested two teenagers Friday who are suspected in the shooting death of a baby in a stroller and the wounding of the baby's mother during an attempted robbery.

Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder, along with a 14-year-old who was not identified because he is a juvenile, Police Chief Tobe Green said.

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"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she said. "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said `I don't have it.' And he said, `Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, `No, don't kill my baby!'"
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"The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy."



Read more: http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2020615333_apusbabyinstrollerslain.html

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Police arrest 2 teens in Ga. baby killing (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 OP
This is good. atreides1 Mar 2013 #1
I'd shoot that guy in the face, no problem. Richardo Mar 2013 #2
this makes my blood boil, perhaps the most despicable crime I've heard of n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #3
Can we wait for the trial first.... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #27
Pure fucking EVIL Serve The Servants Mar 2013 #38
Just when I think it can't get any more evil. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #57
What kind of sociopathic, psychopathic FUCK does that? Mika Mar 2013 #64
My thoughts too cpwm17 Mar 2013 #67
I make no distinctions here... AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #71
Mom in 3...2...1 Rabid_Rabbit Mar 2013 #4
And the owner of the gun mikeysnot Mar 2013 #6
The "owner" has probably done his share of jail time already. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #19
If they can even be found. baldguy Mar 2013 #24
Yep, that's what we'll hear. I want to know where did he get the gun? southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #9
from his father who was attending churchg at the time undoubtedly. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #20
I know that I shouldn't laugh but it is funny southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #21
Yep get the red out Mar 2013 #11
Yeah, I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard that pathetic line theHandpuppet Mar 2013 #15
Death Penalty Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #5
No it's not. RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #14
Not everyone believes in god n/t Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #34
OK, than it's not playing Flying Spaghetti Monster. RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #48
+100 demosincebirth Mar 2013 #84
Some DUers are blaming the mom CreekDog Mar 2013 #7
Its so unimaginably horrific it is quite unbelievable, however Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #13
My thought exactly. RebelOne Mar 2013 #35
No, not blaming the mom... theHandpuppet Mar 2013 #16
Different thread and different mom Fumesucker Mar 2013 #18
For what? BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #31
for the child getting shot --saying she didn't give up her purse, for example CreekDog Mar 2013 #32
See some terminal controversy-sniffers there BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #33
I must admit that I had doubts at first susanr516 Mar 2013 #39
And claiming they're not blaming her, too. riqster Mar 2013 #51
Oh FFS. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #58
Don't believe all that you read from DUers here. Mika Mar 2013 #75
I read that yesterday. Wind Dancer Mar 2013 #60
where? wordpix Mar 2013 #69
in this thread: CreekDog Mar 2013 #70
My first thought was that the mom was involved Marrah_G Mar 2013 #86
They're still doing it. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #91
Animals Blandocyte Mar 2013 #8
That was the second son she lost to violence. Ash_F Mar 2013 #10
Her other son was the attacker that time: REP Mar 2013 #40
Philadelphia news ran his photo earlier: Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #41
Sad coincidence: her son and her infant son's killer were both about the same age REP Mar 2013 #42
I am aware of that. Ash_F Mar 2013 #85
Desensitized, armed & desperate for money, the new normal. This liberal does believe in the death mother earth Mar 2013 #12
In this case, I think it is warranted. RebelOne Mar 2013 #17
I do not azureblue Mar 2013 #36
I agree Carolina Mar 2013 #108
WTF ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #22
Kick n/t Tx4obama Mar 2013 #23
I can't imagine the horror. His life is forfeit. Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #25
Is it some sort of gang initiation? marshall Mar 2013 #26
and make murder illegal B2G Mar 2013 #28
In practice, "anti-gang" legislation amounts to targetting young black/brown men as a whole. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #30
WTF... words fail me... nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #29
I just saw this on the news davidpdx Mar 2013 #37
I hope this arrest is based on more than witness I.D. mainer Mar 2013 #43
The only witness was the mother. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #52
Never rush to judgement hey pachuco Mar 2013 #44
What planet do you live on? firenewt Mar 2013 #45
Planet Troll n/t bitchkitty Mar 2013 #66
Enjoy your stay. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #47
Are you kidding? I hope you are only being sarcastic. RebelOne Mar 2013 #55
Wow. What color is the sky in your world? richmwill Mar 2013 #56
Wow. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #59
I am dying of laughter here. I mean, seriously! bitchkitty Mar 2013 #61
Mocking and contemptuous hey pachuco Mar 2013 #63
Once again, OMIGOD!!!! bitchkitty Mar 2013 #65
I wish I had your naivete. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #72
fuck off you ignorant asshole troll. alphafemale Mar 2013 #73
Thanks for the visit. Beacool Mar 2013 #106
Is this a death penalty thread..yet? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #46
lets hope its the two and not just two that are going to take the rap.......how long is it going to NavyDavy Mar 2013 #49
some of you one this post need to chill.....innocent until proven guilty.....some of you sound NavyDavy Mar 2013 #50
This is nothing like the Trayvon Martin case. RebelOne Mar 2013 #53
concluding that the verdict will be guilty this early in the case is just as bad as those... Beaverhausen Mar 2013 #62
I am not doubting the mother's story, RebelOne Mar 2013 #77
that concept is applied in courtrooms only Mosby Mar 2013 #54
Uh, WTF? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #68
Thank you for clarifying. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #78
They got the perps. There were limited young scholars meeting description not in school that day. alphafemale Mar 2013 #74
The jury can worry about that. Codeine Mar 2013 #76
I'm curious whether they have HARD evidence that the two teens kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #79
Another regularly scheduled teaching moment... CanSocDem Mar 2013 #80
here is a picture of the monster britaphilter Mar 2013 #81
Welcome to DU Fumesucker Mar 2013 #82
has he confessed? bubbayugga Mar 2013 #87
you do wonder how anyone gets to that point markiv Mar 2013 #83
Some thoughts exboyfil Mar 2013 #88
Should we also wait for the evidence that the aunt was really serving him breakfast? britaphilter Mar 2013 #89
It is a pretty good alibi exboyfil Mar 2013 #92
I hope the police first vet the only eye wittnesses story. Sunlei Mar 2013 #90
There are other witnesses . . . toopers Mar 2013 #93
She isn't the only witness. LisaL Mar 2013 #96
who IDed the youths except the Mom. The Mother said the kids ran away? Sunlei Mar 2013 #97
And you think I should know this exactly how? LisaL Mar 2013 #98
according to the mom of the younger suspect, her son was a witness to the shooting rollin74 Mar 2013 #100
This story has me haunted leftyladyfrommo Mar 2013 #94
Parental responsibility... setab Mar 2013 #95
I agree on this get the red out Mar 2013 #103
mother of the 15 year old suspect is claiming that her son was just a witness to the murder... rollin74 Mar 2013 #99
The younger teen best give up the goods on the murderer then Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #101
my thoughts exactly rollin74 Mar 2013 #102
Didn't do anything wrong? Mz Pip Mar 2013 #104
WTF GreenRanger Mar 2013 #105
What kind of person purposely shoots a baby in the face? Beacool Mar 2013 #107
I've got a bad feeling about this PolitFreak Mar 2013 #109
Maybe you should actually find out details of this particular case before posting something. LisaL Mar 2013 #110

Serve The Servants

(328 posts)
38. Pure fucking EVIL
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:01 AM
Mar 2013

"ME IN MY NIGGA"S A TURN UR BLO5K IN TO MURDER SCENE"

This is from the suspect's FB page in the general info section - meaning it's a broadcast statement to all those who can read it and not some tough guy comment directed at a specific person or adversary.

Real fucking stand up citizen this POS was...

If found guilty, I hope he gets put in the Georgia express lane to eternity.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
57. Just when I think it can't get any more evil.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:40 PM
Mar 2013

What the fuck makes someone do that to a 13-MONTH-OLD?

What kind of sociopathic, psychopathic FUCK does that?

Makes me sick to my stomach. Mother and baby go out for a stroll and run across these despicable pieces of shit.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
71. I make no distinctions here...
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:06 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:45 AM - Edit history (2)

The murder of any innocents sickens and enrages me. No matter where it happens.


 

Rabid_Rabbit

(131 posts)
4. Mom in 3...2...1
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:50 PM
Mar 2013

"My boy is such a good boy and he has never been in trouble before"
Hope he gets all the punishment the law provides

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
24. If they can even be found.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:28 PM
Mar 2013

Remember, requiring gun registration is EEEVEEEEL! and is only used by the big bad gubmint to take away yer gunz!

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
11. Yep
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:56 PM
Mar 2013

And I hope the law provides enough to prevent future victims. 4% of all people are sociopaths, these two boys are prime candidates to be counted in that minority of conscious-free people.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
15. Yeah, I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard that pathetic line
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:28 PM
Mar 2013

I'd be giving the Kochs a run for their money.

I hope this piece of shit enjoys the rest of his life behind bars.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
13. Its so unimaginably horrific it is quite unbelievable, however
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:59 PM
Mar 2013

its always best to take a wait and see approach.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
35. My thought exactly.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:31 PM
Mar 2013

Hope when this goes to trial, it will be publicized. By the time it does, people will have forgotten about the case.

BeyondGeography

(39,368 posts)
33. See some terminal controversy-sniffers there
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:14 PM
Mar 2013

People who have certainly never been accosted for money either. Sheesh.

susanr516

(1,425 posts)
39. I must admit that I had doubts at first
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:22 AM
Mar 2013

Usually, a child isn't killed, just the adult (who could ID the thief.)

What a horrible crime.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
51. And claiming they're not blaming her, too.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:55 AM
Mar 2013

Sigh. "I just asked a question", the usual dodge used by victim-blamers.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
58. Oh FFS.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:44 PM
Mar 2013

She didn't have any money with her! And don't people think that, if she did, she would have handed it over to keep her baby and herself safe???

And even if she did have money, what would have stopped these fucks from shooting the baby anyway? Probably nothing.

Thanks for the heads-up on the thread. I won't be going there.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
75. Don't believe all that you read from DUers here.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:57 PM
Mar 2013

I was simply asking why she wouldn't hand over her purse, after the kid demanded it, in an attempt to save her baby.
Hanging on to purses seems to be a common way for some women getting injured or killed during robberies.
Somehow, that question has been spun into my blaming the mother.
Seems to me that there are DUers looking to spin for a fight any day.


Cheers.

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Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
86. My first thought was that the mom was involved
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 04:44 PM
Mar 2013

We've seen a number of stories like this turn out to actually be one of the parents.

Such a shocking story, the poor mom. My first thoughts were wrong and I am very glad they found the monsters who did this so they can't hurt anyone else.

REP

(21,691 posts)
40. Her other son was the attacker that time:
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:46 AM
Mar 2013
It's not the mother's first loss of a child to violence. West said her 18-year-old son, Shaun Glassey, was killed in New Jersey in 2008. She still has a newspaper clipping from the time.

Glassey was killed with a steak knife in March 2008 during an attack involving several other teens on a dark street corner in Gloucester County, N.J., according to news reports from the time.

"He and some other boys were going to ambush a kid," Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County prosecutor's office, told the AP Friday.

Glassey was armed with a knife, but the 17-year-old target of the attack was able to get the knife away from him "and Glassey ended up on the wrong end of the knife," Weisenfeld recalled.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
41. Philadelphia news ran his photo earlier:
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:59 AM
Mar 2013

[center][/center]
~snip~
Her son, Shaun Glassey, 18, was stabbed with a steak knife in West Deptford in March of 2008.

Police say Glassey was the one originally carrying the knife and he had intentions to kill another teen, when his target grabbed the knife. Prosecutors never charged anyone with his death because they said it was self defense.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51297242/

REP

(21,691 posts)
42. Sad coincidence: her son and her infant son's killer were both about the same age
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:23 AM
Mar 2013

Both targeted other kids (though one was a helpless infant).

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
12. Desensitized, armed & desperate for money, the new normal. This liberal does believe in the death
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:58 PM
Mar 2013

penalty. It is sometimes warranted.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
17. In this case, I think it is warranted.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:32 PM
Mar 2013

But the killers are juveniles, who usually do not get the death penalty. Hopefully, they will get life without parole. I just watched the news story on our local Atlanta TV station. They showed the mother and it was just heartbreaking.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
36. I do not
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:10 PM
Mar 2013

I believe in chain gangs for these animals. Make them work at hard public labor 5 days a week 9 hours a day, with their names on the backs of their jump suits, so all thug wanna bees will see what happens. These thugs know that, if they get a life sentence or the death penalty, they will spend time in a cell, just doing nothing, and they think that will bring them "cred". Make them do hard labor to repay the victims and the state for their crimes. See how gangsta they will be after ten years of hard labor.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
108. I agree
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:38 PM
Mar 2013

make 'em work, work hard in the GA heat and make the work an absolute necessity. For example, make it so that they have to grow their own food, build theiir own shelter, make their own clothes, furniture, tools, etc. No work therefore means: no food, no place to sleep...

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
25. I can't imagine the horror. His life is forfeit.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:34 PM
Mar 2013

There are those with a complete disregard for others and their lives, but this - it's unimaginable. At least he's 17 and will be tried as an adult. I don't give him much of a chance for a long life in the prison system. Shooting a sleeping baby in the face isn't usually a popular move among the inmate population.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
30. In practice, "anti-gang" legislation amounts to targetting young black/brown men as a whole.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:41 PM
Mar 2013

Because, you know, young white guys never commit violent crimes.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
29. WTF... words fail me...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:39 PM
Mar 2013

Desensitized as I am to crime stories, this one shook even me up. Just pure cold-blooded fucking evil. No other word for it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
37. I just saw this on the news
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:42 PM
Mar 2013

Both should be charged as adults and be sentenced to life w/o parole. I have a feeling the 14 y/o won't be tried as adult though

 

hey pachuco

(3 posts)
44. Never rush to judgement
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:35 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:31 AM - Edit history (1)

These young gentlemen were but mere African-American teenagers (one of them was barely a teen). Teenagers are indeed America's treasure and we should never judge them too harshly ... or too quick.

As in virtually all cases of this nature, it is most probable that they were simply mischievous, impish, "boys being boys." Study their photographs which personifies sentiments of angelic innocence.

Please hold your personal judgement -- and wrath, until after a fair trial.

Thank you

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
55. Are you kidding? I hope you are only being sarcastic.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:22 PM
Mar 2013

There is only one photo and that is of the 17 year old. He certainly does not have the look of angelic innocence.

richmwill

(1,326 posts)
56. Wow. What color is the sky in your world?
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

Of course a trial needs to be held. But if they are guilty- let justice be swift and brutal. Yes, even to your "treasures" and "mischievous boys being boys". Brutal justice.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
59. Wow.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:45 PM
Mar 2013

Youthful exuberance does not include killing a toddler.

Sorry.

And the mug shot of the one guy? Are you looking at the same photo as I am?

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
61. I am dying of laughter here. I mean, seriously!
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:53 PM
Mar 2013

You're so fucking funny! You could take this comedy routine to Fox, I'm sure they'll snap it right up.

 

hey pachuco

(3 posts)
63. Mocking and contemptuous
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 03:16 PM
Mar 2013

There is absolutely nothing funny about two African-American teenagers being arrested for murder based on the chief of police's reasoning that "We checked all the schools that day. They were absent. We have to assume it was them."

Please do not laugh about, mock, taunt and show contempt for this matter until more facts are available.

The mother of the accused 17-year-old has stated to police that her son has a good heart, is a good boy, and could never do something like that.

It is doubtful that such a cherubic and angelically, sweet child could be that evil.

His face reflects a childlilke innocence which surely stimulates the maternal instincts of all women.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
65. Once again, OMIGOD!!!!
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:11 PM
Mar 2013

Your deadpan delivery is just too too side-splitting. You're killing me. Stop, please, stop.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
72. I wish I had your naivete.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:47 AM
Mar 2013

Then again, I think this is one massive chain yank, so shame on me for even replying.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
73. fuck off you ignorant asshole troll.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

....really?

come get some of this you sorry piece of unwashed banus.

NavyDavy

(1,224 posts)
49. lets hope its the two and not just two that are going to take the rap.......how long is it going to
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:47 AM
Mar 2013

be before the klueless klown klan come out because the shooters were african american and mrs west is white....this is georgia afterall....

NavyDavy

(1,224 posts)
50. some of you one this post need to chill.....innocent until proven guilty.....some of you sound
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:52 AM
Mar 2013

like the reich wingers that were going after trayvon martin because of stuff he supposedly did or said.....

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
53. This is nothing like the Trayvon Martin case.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:14 PM
Mar 2013

They will get a fair trial, but I doubt any jury will find them not guilty.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
62. concluding that the verdict will be guilty this early in the case is just as bad as those...
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 03:01 PM
Mar 2013

...who doubt the mother's story.

Mosby

(16,297 posts)
54. that concept is applied in courtrooms only
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:20 PM
Mar 2013

To ensure as fair a trial as possible, we set up a system so the prosecutor must prove guilt.

It has absolutly nothing to do with people talking and speculating about guilt or innocence.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
74. They got the perps. There were limited young scholars meeting description not in school that day.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

Very proud of how quickly they got 'em.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
79. I'm curious whether they have HARD evidence that the two teens
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:40 PM
Mar 2013

did it, or whether the cops just went out and rounded up the nearest two kids with brown skin and no alibi.

And are they certain the mom didn't kill her own child and then try to blame anonymous kids??

Not trolling or flamebaiting here. I have just watched a few too many true crime shows lately where the real killer tried to blame anonymous black folks.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
80. Another regularly scheduled teaching moment...
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 02:45 PM
Mar 2013


...in the Excited States of America.

What will you do with it, this time? Same as usual? Spend a week or two fretting about the victims and the perpetrators; get jiggy with each other about the proper punishment for the 'bad' guys and then sit back, satisfied that the Criminal Justice Industry will make it all better.

Here's a suggestion. If curbing violence in the society is in the public interest,and as democratic activists you see some personal responsibility to act in this pursuit, it would seem your time could be better spent doing something other than jumping around, waving your arms and 'doubling down' on every righteous principal you ever held.

We had an high school exercise, in the 70's where we would calm the raging hormones of all the 'intellectual alpha dogs' in the room by forming small groups, and have them all work on the same question. Class discussion would center around the group decisions where extraneous crazy talk had already been dismissed as 'irrelevant' or non-productive.

The question of discovering the causes of violence in our society and the methods and principles we use to eliminate it deserve more attention than we seem to be able to give. Rather than violently expressing ones outrage at the outrageous violence of another, why don't you get into groups and present a consensus opinion of why is there such violence in our society. Use 'current events' as a source.

.










 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
83. you do wonder how anyone gets to that point
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:23 PM
Mar 2013

where they have nothing inside them that inhibits them from doing something like that

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
88. Some thoughts
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:41 AM
Mar 2013

1. Lets wait for the evidence against the two teens. Too often in the past it was grab the first convenient black face.
2. Can the mother be excluded (or at least determined to not have fired the bullets which hit her).
3. Is it possible that the mothers story is covering up her involvement in a crime (not the far more important crime of killing the child, but there was a case in Nashville years ago in which a dad went to a drug buy with his kid in the back seat - it did not go well and the kid was shot and killed - that is still capital murder for the shooter, but it makes the shooter a little less cold blooded).


If it is as the mother stated, then I see no redemption for the shooter. It will be a lifetime of incarceration. No parole ever. Even on this pretty liberal board, you will find very few that would be comfortable with extending parole even 40 years later for something like this.

It appears that the 17 year old has an alibi. His aunt was serving him breakfast. Could you imagine lying like this to cover up such a crime (if she is lying). If the alibi is cracked, I hope the aunt is prosecuted to the fullest extent as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/demarquis-elkins-arrested-baby-antonio_n_2939022.html

 

britaphilter

(14 posts)
89. Should we also wait for the evidence that the aunt was really serving him breakfast?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:36 AM
Mar 2013

Or should we assume she was serving him breakfast because she said so?

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
92. It is a pretty good alibi
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:30 AM
Mar 2013

It could come down to the aunt's credibility versus the other eyewitness testimony (especially that of the possible 14 year old accomplice - he probably gets deal to testify against the 17 year old - that combined with a positive ID by the mother would be enough to trump the aunt's alibi and put her truthfulness into question). Tying the gun (if it is found) to the 17 year old would also do it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
90. I hope the police first vet the only eye wittnesses story.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:02 AM
Mar 2013

I don't think anyone else has come foward noticing these youths in the area. Perhaps local stores have video? The kids were on foot, a long distance from home? did noone else in car or home,notice 2 youths on the move?

I hope their police get a very firm case, something like gun res. on the shooters hands. If there is no gun res. on the kids hands and no other wittnesses placing them there...I don't think they should take the Moms word for it on the ID off police prepared photo spread. Not that she is outright lying (though that has happened before).

toopers

(1,224 posts)
93. There are other witnesses . . .
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:30 AM
Mar 2013

not to the shooting but to seeing people running away and identifying a car.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
96. She isn't the only witness.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:01 PM
Mar 2013

You do realize that people heard the shots and called 911 immediately? Then someone called in a tip about a car leaving with a person crouching in the back.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
97. who IDed the youths except the Mom. The Mother said the kids ran away?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:04 PM
Mar 2013

There is going to have to be hard evidence (gunshot residue on hands?)

rollin74

(1,973 posts)
100. according to the mom of the younger suspect, her son was a witness to the shooting
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:56 PM
Mar 2013

and that the older suspect, Elkins, threatened to kill him

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
94. This story has me haunted
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:51 AM
Mar 2013

I can't quit thinking about it.

It is just so unbelievably awful even for a society full of awfulness right now.

 

setab

(8 posts)
95. Parental responsibility...
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:04 AM
Mar 2013

Particularly if there is a minor who is a perpetrator, both of the child's parents (or guardian) - even if there is no "dad in the picture," should have liability.

If your minor child commits a crime and is convicted, I believe you failed as a parent and should be liable, particularly if no mental illness or physical issue is involved.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
103. I agree on this
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:27 PM
Mar 2013

I get so angry at the parents when children do something horrific, where were THEY during this kid's development?????

rollin74

(1,973 posts)
99. mother of the 15 year old suspect is claiming that her son was just a witness to the murder...
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:30 PM
Mar 2013

and didn't do anything wrong

judge says that the younger teen will also be charged with murder, not yet clear if charged as juvenile or adult

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
101. The younger teen best give up the goods on the murderer then
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:02 PM
Mar 2013

if he wants to avoid jail time. Interesting the mother implicated him as a witness contradicting the supposed alibi of the murderer.

rollin74

(1,973 posts)
102. my thoughts exactly
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:23 PM
Mar 2013

the 15 year old's mother is even saying that her son turned in the 17 year old to police

Mz Pip

(27,436 posts)
104. Didn't do anything wrong?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:46 PM
Mar 2013

The two of them were trying to rob a woman. He may not have pulled the trigger but it seems like he was a willing participant in the events leading up to the shooting.

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