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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:12 AM Mar 2013

North Korea Orders Artillery to Be Combat Ready, Targeting U.S. Bases

Source: Reuters

North Korea orders artillery to be combat ready, targeting U.S. bases

Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:35am EDT

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Tuesday its strategic rocket and long-range artillery units have been ordered to be combat ready, targeting U.S. military bases on Guam, Hawaii and mainland America after U.S. bombers flew sorties threatening the North.

The order, issued in a statement from the North's military "supreme command", marks the latest fiery rhetoric from Pyongyang since the start of joint military drills by U.S. and South Korean forces early this month.

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"From this moment, the Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army will be putting into combat duty posture No. 1 all field artillery units, including long-range artillery units and strategic rocket units, that will target all enemy objects in U.S. invasionary bases on its mainland, Hawaii and Guam," the North's KCNA news agency said.

The North previously threatened nuclear attack on the United States and South Korea, although it is not believed to have the capability to hit the continental United States with an atomic weapon. But the U.S. military's bases in the Pacific area are in range of its medium-range missiles.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92P06520130326

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North Korea Orders Artillery to Be Combat Ready, Targeting U.S. Bases (Original Post) Hissyspit Mar 2013 OP
Maybe we should offer a few of those guys Turbineguy Mar 2013 #1
Do these nutjobs just like to hear themselves bellow? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #2
I think that's a requirement for the job. Angleae Mar 2013 #3
Pretty much, yeah. Posteritatis Mar 2013 #4
So, until now, their artillery was NOT combat-ready? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2013 #5
think that would mean, like ready to fire, ready pasto76 Mar 2013 #10
Thanks for the insight, General. tabasco Mar 2013 #33
What no incubators??? RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #6
Yeah, that Obama sure is a chest-thumping warmonger, always startin' shit Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #11
well he's no chest thumper but the blood on his hands is the same color as Bushco. n/t boomer55 Mar 2013 #28
Ahhhh, isn't that special..... tabasco Mar 2013 #34
No, it's real. Even China is getting edgy. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #16
Well China needs to step up then Scairp Mar 2013 #44
Yeah go for it davidpdx Mar 2013 #7
Just like Hanoi? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #15
A much different situation davidpdx Mar 2013 #35
If you look at nighttime photos of the peninsula, they already are OnlinePoker Mar 2013 #22
I've seen them davidpdx Mar 2013 #36
Rally round the flag, boys! bluedigger Mar 2013 #8
POTUS Obama needs to reply OldRedneck Mar 2013 #9
Timing is everything... Javaman Mar 2013 #12
Can you go John2 Mar 2013 #24
You make some good points. Javaman Mar 2013 #29
Maybe we can pay them half of what a war would cost us Blandocyte Mar 2013 #38
I see that the little chubby kid keeps kicking sand in people's faces. Beacool Mar 2013 #13
I'm going to betray my ignorance here WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #14
rockets can be classified melm00se Mar 2013 #19
Ah. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #20
since he development of the cannon melm00se Mar 2013 #25
Thanks. n/t WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #26
Rocket artillery's a big thing in Russian-derived militaries Posteritatis Mar 2013 #30
Thanks WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #31
North Korea has rockets in the developmental stage. amandabeech Mar 2013 #37
This worrisome except for one thing... charlie and algernon Mar 2013 #17
THANK YOU Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #43
YAwn ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz L0oniX Mar 2013 #18
They aren't "scared" of the USA anymore. AlbertCat Mar 2013 #21
Are we talking North Korea or the Grand duchy of Fenwick? marble falls Mar 2013 #23
Grand Fenwick Has the Quadium Bomb Wolf Frankula Mar 2013 #39
I shake at the thought of it. Maybe they just want us to think it doesn't work. marble falls Mar 2013 #40
Dr. Kokintz dropped it on the floor Wolf Frankula Apr 2013 #46
Kim-Jong Un is Dubyah, basically. Aristus Mar 2013 #27
Except GWB did more than make war noises. octothorpe Mar 2013 #45
they just want their pay out d_r Mar 2013 #32
Almost precisely annually, in fact Posteritatis Mar 2013 #42
Message auto-removed Axatullux Mar 2013 #41

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
1. Maybe we should offer a few of those guys
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:22 AM
Mar 2013

an all-expense-paid 90 day observation stay at a lunatic asylum.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
2. Do these nutjobs just like to hear themselves bellow?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:28 AM
Mar 2013

I was in Korea back in the early 90s when rumors were getting out that Kim Il-sung was very ill and that his crazier son would soon be taking over. I didn't realize that the current Kim is even crazier still.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
4. Pretty much, yeah.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:13 AM
Mar 2013

I picture a bunker someplace with some big, multi-sided dice that they roll each morning to generate the latest bellicose threats.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
5. So, until now, their artillery was NOT combat-ready?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:26 AM
Mar 2013

Or, does this mean the latest crazy supreme leader wants the artillery to be DOUBLE-SECRET combat-ready?

The shriek-o-meter must be hitting elevens!

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
10. think that would mean, like ready to fire, ready
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:38 AM
Mar 2013

Like pulling artillery rounds out of storage and having them on hand at firing positions. "building combat power" is what they tell us in here

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
44. Well China needs to step up then
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 07:42 PM
Mar 2013

Reign in this little psycho. If he dared to fire a rocket into anything of ours unprovoked China knows they could not say a word when we retaliated. I think that is their biggest fear, not being able to keep North Korea from such actions as would open the door for us to go in and clean out the riff raff and secure it so that South Korea could take over. That would totally bum China's trip.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
15. Just like Hanoi?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:16 AM
Mar 2013

Rhetoric sounds about the same as Curtis Lemay's Bomb them back to the Stone age.

Despite Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis Lemay’s boast that "we're going to bomb them back into the Stone Age," the bombing campaign never did force North Vietnam to end its support of the Viet Cong, nor did it reduce the flow of supplies delivered to the VC from the North.
http://www.authentichistory.com/1961-1974/4-vietnam/1-overview/4-1964-1968/

Reminds me of
George Santayana said 'Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.'


What is the usefulness of Bombing someone to a place they never left?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. A much different situation
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:41 AM
Mar 2013

There has been peace (at least tentatively) for 60 years. Also keep in mind I am talking about if North Korea starts a war, much like they did in 1950. In that case, South Korea has every right to defend itself to the full extent and the US has pledged to defend them.

The saying "bomb them back to the stone age" is more an idiom to me as I don't take it literally. It's very obvious you can't send them back thousands of years.

Again, if they do attack, I believe we have the right to use most everything we have to stop them (I would draw the line at biological and nuclear because they should not be used). As I have said countless times, I live pretty close to North Korea, and given the crap they pull with China essentially backing them up most of the time, an attacked should be the last straw.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
22. If you look at nighttime photos of the peninsula, they already are
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:18 PM
Mar 2013

The only place that has any light is Pyongyang.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
12. Timing is everything...
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:53 AM
Mar 2013

first of all, I don't think Un is in charge. Secondly, note the time of the year. After winter. They need grain and this winter was apparently pretty harsh up there. They have people starving. So rather than be an adult like nation, they use their usual rhetoric to "blackmail" the world (aka U.S.) into "coughing" up some grain. (which we give to them anyway).

lastly, with the show of force, it's just another way for NK to show their brainwashed population just how "important" they are in the world.

After a bit of their crazy-ness, they will stand down and make some sort of announcement to the people of NK along the lines of, "the might of the NK army has frighted the world and they have backed down, due to our glorious god leader ability to stare them down!" blah blah blah.

The song remains the same.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
24. Can you go
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

into precise detail how much grain the U.S. actually provides to North Korea after the Bush Administration significantly reduce that commodity to North Korea? Bush significantly reduced food to North Korea after he labeled them part of the Evil Axis. That was when the Clinton Administration had made significant improvements with ongoing talks with the North Koreans but it became more intensed after the Bush Administration changed U.S. Policy after 2000. North Korea restarted their nuclear program after the Bush Administration gave hostile language.

I've seen some reports that the previous causes of famine in North Korea came from natural causes such as certain disease. North Korea got aid from a number of countries, mainly China and even from Japan. Even the Clinton administration allowed Aid provided to them for food. The Clinton Administration did not use food and starvation as a weapon. If the religious extremists in this country and extremist Republican Party are really so concerned about the welfare of the North Korean people, then their politicians would not be advocating introducing policies with food as a weapon for regime change. I do not think the North Koreans militarized with intentions to invade the World as must on the Right try to convince everybody. And I don't see the rightwing extremists in the United States being the grownups many people perceive them as.

There will not be a War on the Korean peninsula because the Chinese nor Russians will allow it. So both sides are immature and beating their chests, instead of talking to each other. It was also the North Koreans that helped Japan get rid of some of their nuclear waste. The North koreans does about 70 percent of their trade with China, and surprisingly have also done some reform by allowing a little capitalism within their system through China. The bottomline, it is better to communicate without the insults because it will bring more insults, that will get you no where. President Obama needs to be the grownup and have direct talks, instead, he rather appease a rightwing Party, which created the whole situation. he would probably make more progress with the North Korean leader than the Teabaggers and neocons in the Congress.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
29. You make some good points.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
Mar 2013

and some which I don't agree with.

And some, which seem, you through in for just the heck of it.

Cheers!

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
38. Maybe we can pay them half of what a war would cost us
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:09 PM
Mar 2013

on condition that they can keep like 10% profit above rebuilding costs, but that they will knock down some of their own buildings and destroy some of their own artillery. Saves both countries some money.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
13. I see that the little chubby kid keeps kicking sand in people's faces.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:55 AM
Mar 2013

He better settle down or he's going to receive a big spanking.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
14. I'm going to betray my ignorance here
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:57 AM
Mar 2013

but exactly what kind of artillery could ever reach Hawaii, much less the American mainland? Missiles I understand, but artillery?

melm00se

(4,988 posts)
25. since he development of the cannon
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:23 PM
Mar 2013

your thought is correct but the more modern definition has included rockets

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
30. Rocket artillery's a big thing in Russian-derived militaries
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:55 PM
Mar 2013

Mostly Katyushas and their younger siblings these days. They also generally don't draw as firm a distinction between "rocket" and "missile" in military terms as western militaries do, which is why you'll occasionally hear things up to and including ICBMs referred to that way. The US has something similar in the MLRS, which is probably the single deadliest thing in the Army's inventory as far as conventional weapons go.

Rocket artillery is usually in the realm of "anything within 20 miles of the truck has a bad day" devices though. North Korea claiming they have anything capable of hitting the mainland US is concentrated sillysauce, though I'm sure it sounds great to their target audience at home. They could wreck anything near the DMZ, of course, but that hasn't been news since the 1950s.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
37. North Korea has rockets in the developmental stage.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

They apparently are attempting to build an ICBM which would be able to hit the US mainland.

They have tested some rockets, but they often don't work.

However, they have been able to shoot a few to their west.

At least one flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific. Obviously, the Japanese were furious and a little frightened. I don't blame them.

Right now, there is concern that the North Koreans could get lucky with one of their rockets and land on on or near our base in Guam or our base in Onkinawa, which would get Japan and the US at the same time.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
17. This worrisome except for one thing...
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:56 AM
Mar 2013

If they were truly serious about attacking the US and South Korea, they wouldn't damn well tell the world about it. They'd simply attack at 2am local time in the hopes of catching everyone off guard.

Announcing to the world that you're going to "combat duty posture No. 1" kinda ruins the element of surprise.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
21. They aren't "scared" of the USA anymore.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:30 AM
Mar 2013

I mean after allowing 9/11 to happen, the dreadfully run wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus the dysfunctional houses of Congress for the past 5 years, who would be?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
42. Almost precisely annually, in fact
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:49 PM
Mar 2013

Well, to a greater-than-usual level. They'll rant threats whenever more than three people in the North Korean government are conscious, of course.

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