Oral Argument - Audio Hollingsworth v. Perry
Source: US Supreme Court
Hollingsworth v. Perry
Docket Number: 12-144
Date Argued: 03/26/13
Read more: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=12-144
History in the making everyone. What side are you on?
(The link above will give you the audio of the oral arguments in the Prop 8 trial. I apologize for the format being awkward in the excerpt above, there is no text to quote on the page. If the hosts deem this not appropriate, and I hope they won't, please let me know and I will alter/self-delete.)
EDIT TO ADD: Also the transcript is available here... http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/12-144a.pdf
nonoyes
(261 posts)Much appreciated.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)1. is it going on all day
2. is cspan carrying any of it? (my employer blocks media players so I have to stream cspan thru my iphone. not sure if the scotus audio link would work)
thanks!
.... iphone does allow the scotus.audio to stream. NICE!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)The arguments have finished for the day.
Here is a CSPAN link... http://www.c-span.org/Events/Audio-of-Supreme-Court-Oral-Argument-Hollingsworth-v-Perry/10737439019-1/
Myrina
(12,296 posts)The state has an "interest in procreation" so marriage needs to remain between man/woman?
When it has kids it can't feed, educate, house or keep healthy?
Changing the definition of marriage changes the 'focus' from children to 'the adults themselves'?
Why the hell wouldn't you want to focus on yourself/your partner in a marriage BEFORE - or instead of - focusing on kids?
OMFG!! What a lame-ass attempt to hide behind some phobic bullshit.
If I was sitting on the SCOTUS I'd have laughed his ass right out of the courtroom.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Dumb m/f's.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)That it may be is the desire of the child to see their parents married.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Procreation is not our concern. Having fun and loving each other is.
And our same-sex couple neighbors are just the same as us. Only the combination of sexes is different.
As for fidelity being a reason for marriage, not so much in California.
I say that for the reason that infidelity is not specifically a ground for divorce or marriage dissolution in California. Of course, it may be the real reason for "irreconcilable differences," but it need not be specifically proven in a divorce proceeding.
2310. Dissolution of the marriage or legal separation of the
parties may be based on either of the following grounds, which shall
be pleaded generally:
(a) Irreconcilable differences, which have caused the irremediable
breakdown of the marriage.
(b) Incurable insanity.
2311. Irreconcilable differences are those grounds which are
determined by the court to be substantial reasons for not continuing
the marriage and which make it appear that the marriage should be
dissolved.
2312. A marriage may be dissolved on the grounds of incurable
insanity only upon proof, including competent medical or psychiatric
testimony, that the insane spouse was at the time the petition was
filed, and remains, incurably insane.
2313. No dissolution of marriage granted on the ground of incurable
insanity relieves a spouse from any obligation imposed by law as a
result of the marriage for the support of the spouse who is incurably
insane, and the court may make such order for support, or require a
bond therefor, as the circumstances require.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=02001-03000&file=2310-2313
But an unfaithful wife might be rather costly:
7540. Except as provided in Section 7541, the child of a wife
cohabiting with her husband, who is not impotent or sterile, is
conclusively presumed to be a child of the marriage.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=07001-08000&file=7540-7541
Fearless
(18,421 posts)The Court does not have the power to legislate procreation. Not at all. Not one bit. Zip. Zero. A goose egg.
And the Court can only rule on a case based on the evidence provided.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:59 PM - Edit history (1)
Supreme Court Hears Oral Argument on Same-Sex Marriage
Here: http://www.c-span.org/Events/Supreme-Court-Hears-Oral-Argument-on-Same-Sex-Marriage/10737439017-1/
Makes it a bit more interesting.