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Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:41 PM Mar 2013

Ford CEO cites yen worry, opposes free trade talks with Japan

Source: Reuters

The chief executive of Ford Motor Co F.N. complained on Tuesday about Japan's devaluation of the yen and reiterated his opposition to Tokyo entering into free trade talks with the United States under an Asia-Pacific agreement.

The yen has fallen around 8 percent against the dollar this year, driven down by Tokyo's fiscal and monetary policies.

"The markets should determine the exchange rate," Ford CEO Alan Mulally told a small group of reporters in Bangkok, referring to what he said was "the devaluing of the yen".

Ford has been vocal in opposing Japan's entry into the talks for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TTP), a U.S.-led Pacific free trade pact, until Tokyo opens its market to more U.S. cars.

"It's the most closed automobile market in the world," Mulally said, highlighting the combination of non-tariff barriers on vehicle imports and distribution.

"They should open up their market, they should restructure their industry, and that's why we're encouraging the people negotiating the free trade agreements that they deal with that."

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced Japan's interest in joining negotiations on the TPP earlier this month.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-ford-mulally-idUSBRE92P08620130326

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Ford CEO cites yen worry, opposes free trade talks with Japan (Original Post) Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 OP
yet another screw american workers trade agreement nt msongs Mar 2013 #1
They manipulate their currency to fuck us and increase their profits DainBramaged Mar 2013 #4
The Chinese are famous for that too. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #6
Oh, for crying out loud Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #8
Right, and you believe in Santa Claus too???? DainBramaged Mar 2013 #9
Did you even read the article? Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #11
Defending Japan (with their anti-union practices) isn't looked upon kindly by the UAW DainBramaged Mar 2013 #14
Um, Japanese cars in Japan are made by union workers Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #16
Oh yes of course, but not here are they? DainBramaged Mar 2013 #17
In other words, you have no interest in learning about conditions here in Japan Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #18
He's a day late and a dollar short Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #2
China LETS US enter joint ventures and build factories there to produce cars DainBramaged Mar 2013 #3
True, and it's wrong, but I don't see the big 3 setting up shop in Japan even if they were allowed Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #5
Exactly.... paleotn Mar 2013 #7
If you really want to know what "currency manipulation" is like, Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #19
GM and Ford have wanted to set up factories since the 70's DainBramaged Mar 2013 #10
Ford has dealerships throughout Japan Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #12
Your choice and why should I care? DainBramaged Mar 2013 #13
A better question is, why should the Japanese care? Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #15

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
8. Oh, for crying out loud
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:45 PM
Mar 2013

Please read up on the history of yen-dollar exchange rates before you make such uninformed posts. Here's a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
9. Right, and you believe in Santa Claus too????
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:10 AM
Mar 2013

accords are made to be broken, and if you think they Japanese honor them, I have this bridge.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
11. Did you even read the article?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:33 AM
Mar 2013

Read it, for crying out loud, and then try to complain about currency manipulation.

Do you have any idea whatsoever about US-Japan relations and dollar exchange rates? I have been experiencing both first-hand for decades. The value of the Japanese yen vis-a-vis the dollar has increased by a factor of 4 since the yen was made to float in 1971. And the yen's value vis-a-vis the dollar today is still higher than it was when Obama was first elected in November 2008.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
14. Defending Japan (with their anti-union practices) isn't looked upon kindly by the UAW
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:52 AM
Mar 2013

Have a nice life.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
17. Oh yes of course, but not here are they?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:19 AM
Mar 2013

And now I will click the red X, because I have no interest in defending Japan as you do.




Merry Christmas from me and the UAW.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
18. In other words, you have no interest in learning about conditions here in Japan
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 07:16 AM
Mar 2013

You accuse me of "believing in Santa Claus", yet you have shown absolutely no interest in knowing what conditions are actually like here in Japan, from an American who is actually living in Japan. Do you have any idea why Japanese companies will accept unions in Japan (did you even click that link? 700,000+ members of the Japan Auto Workers) but aren't particularly enamored of the UAW? Do you have any idea about what was happening in the US in the '70s and '80s with regard to automobiles, both US-made and Japanese? Any idea?

Have you heard about the Chinese guy getting shot and killed in Michigan in the '80s because he was mistaken for a Japanese? Have you heard about all the trouble Sanyo had with the union at its microwave plant in Forrest City, Arkansas, of all places, back in the '80s? It was practically a daily headline in the Arkansas Gazette back then.

The relation between unions and management in the US is basically confrontational. And I can understand that, because I once worked at a factory that had a bunch of managers from Michigan who were real jerks. On the other hand, the relation between unions and management in Japan is much more cooperative, because they both know that they will sink or swim together.

Get a clue, please.


Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
2. He's a day late and a dollar short
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:39 PM
Mar 2013

I dunno, the cynic in me ( that came of my observations, not my birth ) wonders if he's as concerned with free trade with China or other parts of SE Asia. I say no because wages are low enough in those nations so as too make outsourcing profitable. Japan, not so much....or not at all.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
3. China LETS US enter joint ventures and build factories there to produce cars
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:47 PM
Mar 2013

Japan has been telling us fuck you since the 80's. They import hundreds of thousands of their their shit here, we export bupkus to them.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
5. True, and it's wrong, but I don't see the big 3 setting up shop in Japan even if they were allowed
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 07:27 PM
Mar 2013

Corporations are chasing more for cheap labor, than for the "emerging markets".

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
7. Exactly....
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:25 PM
Mar 2013

...it's trade agreements with China, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and other ultra-low wage, near zero regulation countries that are a more significant threat to US workers. Japan has a very high standard of living, on par with the US, the EU and Canada. You only save on shipping costs by setting up operations in Japan, nothing more.

On the other hand, I do see his point (Ford CEO). It would be nice for Japan to open it's markets as widely to US manufactured autos as we have to damn near everyone else. He's also right about currency manipulation. Since many of the pieces parts of Japanese cars produced in the US come from Japan (engines, transmissions, etc.), a cheap Yen makes Japanese name plates more competitive vs. the big 3.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
19. If you really want to know what "currency manipulation" is like,
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 07:27 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:22 AM - Edit history (2)

please read about the Plaza Accord of 1985.

Please.

Result of the Plaza Accord pushed by Reagan in 1985-- The value of the Japanese yen vis-a-vis the US dollar shot up by around 40%, rising from 260 yen per dollar to 160 yen per dollar in just a matter of months.

The result of the current currency "manipulation" by the Japanese government-- The yen is STILL stronger now (94 yen/$) than it was when Obama was elected in November 2008 (100 yen/$), even after all the billions and billions of dollars in losses that Japan has suffered as a result of the triple disaster of March 2011.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
10. GM and Ford have wanted to set up factories since the 70's
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:13 AM
Mar 2013

And if you think you know what the Big 3 want, we'd like to hear it.......

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
12. Ford has dealerships throughout Japan
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:49 AM
Mar 2013

There's even one not too far from where I live. If I wanted to, I could buy a Ford car.

http://www.fordibaraki.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/136f1860f98.woa/wa/read/136f18610f3/

But why would I want to spend $25,000+ on a new car, of any make, when I can get a good, dependable, low-mileage, low-upkeep used car for a fraction of that?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
15. A better question is, why should the Japanese care?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:03 AM
Mar 2013

If I, as an American living in Japan, wouldn't consider plunking down $25,000+++ for a new American car in Japan, what makes you think that the Japanese people would be chomping at the bit to buy an American car? Especially when they can already choose from among dozens and dozens of models made by 8 domestic manufacturers? And given that nearly all of the 60 million ++++ vehicles that are already on the Japanese roads (one for every two people in Japan) are in excellent running condition due to the rigorous inspection system, the car market is already way saturated.

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