Newt Gingrich pushes back on Nelson Mandela criticism
Source: Atlanta Journal
"Yesterday I issued a heartfelt and personal statement about the passing of President Nelson Mandela. I said that his family and his country would be in my prayers and Callistas prayers.
I was surprised by the hostility and vehemence of some of the people who reacted to me saying a kind word about a unique historic figure.
So let me say to those conservatives who dont want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?
Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.
What would you have done faced with that crushing government?
Read more: http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/political-insider/2013/dec/07/newt-gingrich-pushes-back-nelson-mandela-criticism/
Ol Newt may not get as many New Years party invitations this year.
I never cared for him, but I like seeing him throw this back in their faces.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)thanks for the link.
Mr.Bill
(24,304 posts)I'm sure they will call Newt a Communist and a Terrorist.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?"
The answer is: Exactly what Terry McVeigh did.
George II
(67,782 posts)SDjack
(1,448 posts)yesphan
(1,588 posts)was the other guy.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)the rails.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)calimary
(81,335 posts)But the thing we have to remember, and that ol' newty doesn't want to, or chooses not to, remember, is that HE STARTED A LOT OF THIS!!!! He is the FATHER of this kind of cruel, nasty, mean-spirited, hit-below-the-belt response. With his swaggering arrogant "I'm a back bench bombthrower!" crap as he rose quickly through the House ranks in the early 80s. He was part of the political opportunistic infection that rode in on ronald reagan's coattails in 1980, like a plague-carrying flea hitchhiking into your house on your dog's back. It was he who had the infamous little black lexicon book of words and terms to damn Democrats and liberals and sanctify all things republi-CON and CONservative. He successfully and quite effectively taught some very vivid and thoroughly-embraced lessons about "here's how you make our opponents look REALLY shitty so nobody will vote for them and you can alienate voters from them and make everybody hate them and what they stand for! And conversely, love and support and vote for US on OUR side!"
So newty-boy, reap what you sow. THIS is what YOU begat. THIS is what YOU created, nurtured, fed and watered and aided and comforted and tucked into bed with kisses and lots o' love every night. THIS is the result of all those seeds YOU PERSONALLY planted so carefully and deliberately during your heyday in the 80s. This is the inevitable manifestation of YOUR chickens coming home to roost. How's it workin' out for ya? What? You don't approve? Well, sorry, pal. Too damn late. YOU are the father of all of this meanness and nastiness and willful cruelty. YOU made it all happen and encouraged it in everyone else, and brought out the worst in everyone and pronounced it good! YOU opened this Pandora's Box. More than that - you built it, packed it full of the seeds of this shit, and brought it in with you and THEN opened it up!
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)The entire GOP is discovering the hard way that they can't control these looney-tunes. The Tea Party crazies are simply the rebellious teen-agers in the house screaming at their parents. If the rapidly disappearing moderates in their party don't manage to get control of it again, this is not going to end well for the Republican Party. They will end up splintered for generations to come, or just continue this death spiral and end up in History's dust bin next to the Whigs and Know Nothings.
calimary
(81,335 posts)something about our very-young nation in general, in comparison with the other more prominent and vastly more mature nations of the world, strikes me as very similar to the comparison you make! The European community. HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of years these mature nations have been in existence. China and Japan - thousands. Iraq and the rest of the Middle East - how far back can you go? Eden maybe? How far back is that? By comparison, the U.S. with its little bitty 200+years of existence is like an adolescent or spoiled brat-child, running around yelling and whining and copping an attitude and being generally non-compliant.
I really appreciate your metaphor - that really does sum it up about the teabaggers. Usually they remind me of the tantrum-throwing three-year-old who's having a fit all over the cereal aisle at the grocery store because Mommy won't buy them Cocoa Puffs. Same thing pretty much!
I hope the GOP winds up splintered for generations to come! I HOPE!!!! A generation or two, at least, is what we'll need to fix everything they've broken, straighten out everything they've messed up, and re-habilitate the American mindset - AWAY from all the ideology the republi-CONS have held dear for decades - and which allowed to come to full toxic flower in AND by the reagan era. We've got 30 or 40 years' worth of clean-up to do.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)He saw how far he was willing to lose his own principles, to win at all costs. Its time to put the weapons down. We need to learn how to live with each other. We must forgive those who has had a change of heart, those who have awaken. Always reward the positive behavior. Well done Newt. We can see you have a piece of humanity left.
QuestForSense
(653 posts)Maybe you're right, but he's made a career being a dirty, lying bastard. This may just be his Chris Christie, look at me being reasonable moment to exploit. Use caution; a snake like him will always bite you the moment you loosen your grip.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)calimary
(81,335 posts)It's like that fable about the fox and the scorpion, in which the scorpion needs to get across the river but can't swim. So the scorpion sweet-talks the fox into giving him a ride, even while the fox worried that - "you're a scorpion. You'll sting me and I'll die." "No I won't! Promise! What good would that do? I'd drown too!" So the fox gives in and then, they get halfway across the river and guess what the scorpion does! And while they're both going down for the last time, the fox says "why'd you do that?" And the scorpion says "'cause I'm a scorpion. That's what I do."
This is just newt trying to reassure people that he's not gonna sting 'em and please can they help him get across the river on their backs? "Don't think of me as what I am even though I am a scorpion. Just give me a ride. I won't sting you. I'll be good! It'll be okay! Promise!"
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)That puts him and John McCain above the Gipper... Poor Cheney and former 1996 VP candidate Jack Kemp (good ball player, lousy congressman)
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And that was in his first term as Senator.
In opposition, Jesse Helms and Pat Buchanan, among others.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Well said Mr. Speaker.
Who would have guessed that the best tribute to Nelson Mandela would come from Newt F'ing Gingrich?
Too bad his lemmings still don't agree.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152024572924197&id=19182454196&set=a.162764089196.113098.19182454196&source=46&refid=17
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)I don't give a fuck what he says now. Newt is as cold-hearted as Cheney and the rest of 'em. They can all continue on their train wreck to hellwhich I hope exists for their sake.
JI7
(89,252 posts)tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)shenanigans, and seeing him as a lesser, is disturbing.
calimary
(81,335 posts)DO NOT be fooled, dear friends. Ol' newty is still Ol' nasty. I suspect he just never anticipated the results of what HE started and stirred up in the first place.
JI7
(89,252 posts)anymore .
i'm glad he is calling out those on his side though. it shows how fucked up they are .
pothos
(154 posts)he's a typical hypocritical lying sack of crap. before opening this thread i thought the criticism was coming from the left, reminding people of this guy's hypocrisy. funny to see it was criticism from the baggers.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)calimary
(81,335 posts)Glad you're here! It's always good to consider the source. I do believe that souls can be saved and that there are such things as deathbed conversions. But I wouldn't give ol' newty the benefit of the doubt. He's done too much damage - too deliberately - to start becoming Mr. Generosity-of-Spirit now.
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Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Gingrich to build the political culture of smear, vilification and extreme inflammatory language purposely manufacturing the politics of fear, hatred and division. The Frankenstein monster is simply breaking out of its cage and cannot be controlled by its master anymore.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)during the campaign.
calimary
(81,335 posts)A few soothing and conciliatory words at this late date can't undo all that damage and make all that hatred and divisiveness and meanness go away. Let's haul out that GOP campaign slogan and jam it down your throat, shall we, newty? "YOU BUILT IT."
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Democrat? He can never again run for office as a Republican. Newt is a RINO! Hilarious.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But he sounds like he's having a brief moment of not being a penis with limbs.
dchill
(38,505 posts)it is safe to assume that anyone with a heart or a brain is a liberal Democrat.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)racism is the backbone of his party
cntrygrl
(356 posts)calimary
(81,335 posts)Good to have you with us! Indeed - Hell freezing over and all that. But just don't forget - this is the direct result of what HE personally designed and created back in the early 80s when he was on the rise in the House of Reps. His deliberate slash-n-burn tactics started ALL of the nastiness we have to deal with and suffer through now. It all started with HIM.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)And remember. One is usually judged by the company one keeps.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. is right twice a day.
I have zero respect for Newtie for reasons too numerous to mention, mostly rank, blatant, in-your-face hypocrisy, but when you are right you are right.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)How awful, how racist and ignorant those people are when Newt sounds reasonable.
Someone in the Republican party needs to find their heart and soul and stand up to the Tea Party or they are doomed. I used to think they were just ignorant (as in lacking knowledge), now I realize they are hateful, mean and of limited capacity to learn.
calimary
(81,335 posts)Great to have you here! And don't forget - newt gingrich is DIRECTLY and PERSONALLY to blame for manifestations like this from people on that side of the political spectrum. He made it okay to be mean and nasty and cruel and hateful. He even showed them how, and created the guidebook they could study to sharpen their "skills" - so they could become mean and nasty and cruel and hateful too, just like him. And now he's waxing all pious and compassionate and "statesmanlike" and he's offended by it now? What a joke. Unfortunately, it's the cruelest kind of joke - on all of America. We must not forget. Forgive him if you want to, but DO NOT forget. You may not have to, though. I'm sure in a few days or weeks he'll be at it again with his hateful, mean-spirited verbal smears and smackdowns. Can't be helped. It's just who he is.
durablend
(7,462 posts)How long until we see this from "Newt Gingrich (D)" flashed on Fox News?
Paladin
(28,266 posts)It's genuinely unsettling to have Newt Gingrich emerge as the Class Act among conservatives. If you're not working up a healthy amount of dread over how things are going, you're not paying attention.
mrchips
(97 posts)Newt demonized Mandela and contributed to his imprisonment. He does not get to pretend to be an ambassador of good will. His responsibility is to either apologize for his unconscionable behavior towards the persecuted under apartheid or stfu! This is classic self aggrandizing grandstanding, performed by a typical a sociopath.
calimary
(81,335 posts)Glad you're here! NEVER forget. And don't be fooled. This is newt gingrich we're talking about. He's the guy who started all this and made it okay.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)are always in a state of Denial
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)supporting sanctions against Apartheid in South Africa, he showed zero regret for his past actions, zero regret for failing to help black South Africans to gain equality, the very same equality which he pretends to value so highly, yet would not support for South Africans when it was not available to them.
Newt is an opportunistic moron, he holds no real values except to advance his career, he is a dirt-bag.
BumRushDaShow
(129,151 posts)not unlike Crudz - comparing the White supremacist South African government with the Obama Administration.
He went on to compare Mandela to the Founding Fathers and the farmers who took up arms at Lexington and Concord in the Revolutionary War. He praised the former South African president for his calls for reconciliation, his Christian faith and his turn from Communism to opening South Africa up to free enterprise.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/07/gingrich-pushes-back-against-mandela-critics/?hpt=hp_t3
Be assured he'll pivot back to comparing apples to boulders and will try to paint Obama as a Botha.
Marje
(38 posts)Nelson Mandela gave up 27 years of his life, 18 of those years in solitary confinement.... What would you give up 27 years of your life for....
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Gingrich said President Obama was anti-colonialism. That tells us all we need to know about the sincerity of Gingrich.
24601
(3,962 posts)on the wrong side of history with separation from mother/father nations and the resulting self-determination on the right side?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Gingrich was way off on that particular criticism of the President. I mean our founders were obviously anti-colonial. Duh.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)And people keep telling me the positions of the far right have nothing to do with race.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Yeah, he's a snake. But this reaction to the nutbags who responded is more than we've heard from Ted Cruz about the teabag's reaction to his statement.
Where is Cruz's outrage? :crickets:
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)I can't believe I agree with him 100%.
Um, thank you Mr Speaker.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's well written, and scripted to appeal to the center of his party.
I wonder what he says in private?