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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:59 AM Jun 2014

Breaking: Hagel Says WH Moved Quickly on Prisoner Swap Because Sgt. Bergdahl's Life Was in Danger

Source: Associated Press

@AP: BREAKING: Hagel says White House moved quickly on prisoner swap because Sgt. Bergdahl's life was in danger: http://t.co/xAeapJ2Y48

HAGEL: CAPTIVE'S LIFE WAS IN DANGER

By LOLITA C. BALDOR
— Jun. 1, 2014 5:25 AM EDT

BAGRAM AIR FIELD, Afghanistan (AP) — U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Sunday the military operation to free Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from the Taliban in exchange for the release of five Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainees was not relayed to Congress because officials believed the soldier's life was in danger.

In his first extensive public comments about Saturday's operation, Hagel said intelligence the U.S. had gathered suggested that Bergdahl's "safety and health were both in jeopardy, and in particular his health was deteriorating."

Taliban members handed Bergdahl over to special operations forces in eastern Afghanistan, and later in the day the detainees were flown from the Guantanamo detention center to Qatar.

The Pentagon did not give Congress the required 30-day notice for the release of detainees.



Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hagel-captives-life-was-danger

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Breaking: Hagel Says WH Moved Quickly on Prisoner Swap Because Sgt. Bergdahl's Life Was in Danger (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2014 OP
I wonder if this matters to rethugs. nt babylonsister Jun 2014 #1
No, it doesn't.. they wouldn't care if Sgt Bowe Bergdahl were on his Cha Jun 2014 #5
Once more, there's not a chance he is related to any chickenhawk rethug. kairos12 Jun 2014 #30
This line from the AP story Berlin Expat Jun 2014 #2
Yep. I believe the GOP would have alsame Jun 2014 #3
Personally, I have little Berlin Expat Jun 2014 #4
And, Andrea Mitchell is doing her part for the US mediawhores.. Cha Jun 2014 #7
Well, the next time Berlin Expat Jun 2014 #9
We could send them. sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #13
I could see Berlin Expat Jun 2014 #18
Such a "cute" and clever statement jehop61 Jun 2014 #19
Thank you. sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #20
Well jehop61, did you serve? denbot Jun 2014 #34
Whatever that means.... jehop61 Jun 2014 #60
You talking about Republicans? Ash_F Jun 2014 #48
Add Cruz, Cheney, and Rice. kairos12 Jun 2014 #31
i second your nominations for the persons you list for the next exchange nt hopemountain Jun 2014 #58
Wow, that's a disgusting comment, even for alsame Jun 2014 #21
A very good point. spooky3 Jun 2014 #25
Yesterday one of the CNN alsame Jun 2014 #28
Unbelievable. I guess if there isn't much news happening, it's ok to just make it up. spooky3 Jun 2014 #32
Awww.. poor little cnn would much rather hammer on Eric Shineski than report Cha Jun 2014 #57
Andrea Mitchell is not a legitimate journalist. Pennie109 Jun 2014 #52
Internet Win: "PBO should have traded him for your fucking husband!!!" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #40
"Take the sting out of that, Ms Mitchell!".. Bonzai! Cha Jun 2014 #56
'PBO should have traded him for your fucking husband" octoberlib Jun 2014 #47
Dates back to 1968 alp227 Jun 2014 #67
Yep. And then fast forward to alsame Jun 2014 #69
Yes they would, Berlin. Sgt Bergdahl's life was the utmost important issue here to the President Cha Jun 2014 #6
In that case, secrecy was required. Secrecy was appropriate. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #22
Some Republicans are good at September Surprises anytime of the year. n/t DhhD Jun 2014 #43
If these 5 Guantanamo detainees were safely releasable, thesquanderer Jun 2014 #8
???? heaven05 Jun 2014 #14
It's been in the news for a long time that spooky3 Jun 2014 #26
So leave him there!?!? denbot Jun 2014 #35
They are there because we are still at war in Afghanistan. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #39
They are not 'terribly dangerous' Ash_F Jun 2014 #49
Interesting article on their identities thesquanderer Jun 2014 #50
Was the US soldier innocent? Ash_F Jun 2014 #51
supposedly they were "high-risk" and "likely to pose a threat" thesquanderer Jun 2014 #61
If someone that fights off foreign invaders is high risk... Ash_F Jun 2014 #66
The repubs are having a fit calling C-SPAN this am... Sancho Jun 2014 #10
The first thing I would do when I get home if I was Sgt. Bergdahl... Crowman1979 Jun 2014 #11
I don't believe this heaven05 Jun 2014 #17
Obama clearly amended the law with his signing statement AngryAmish Jun 2014 #12
I'd soft peddle the 'signing statement defense'. ColesCountyDem Jun 2014 #24
Obama is also backed by the American people through campaign promise to begin to close Gitmo. DhhD Jun 2014 #44
This Taliban deal is from a Pakistani playbook cosmicone Jun 2014 #15
Yes. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #23
He should make their heads pop, saying he was acting as Commander-in-Chief... Historic NY Jun 2014 #16
Or, "I'm the Decider." n/t spooky3 Jun 2014 #33
Fuck Congress. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #27
Indeed. Throw them all out. Let's start over. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #29
Godzilla agrees! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #64
Congress would have leaked it, mostly to sabotage ANY deal (R's). TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #36
I think McCain would have kept his mouth shut Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #62
Obama acts decisively and like a commander, but The Media is still compelled to call him weak?? Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #37
I think a lot of right-wingers are too smart to go there BlueStreak Jun 2014 #38
I've seen this additional spin: "Bowe Bergdahl was not a POW" Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #41
He was confused and disillusioned. I think he had some goofy ideas over there. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #42
I've actually heard something like this firsthand from someone in the military davidpdx Jun 2014 #70
Interesting State Department Statement on this karynnj Jun 2014 #45
Unbelievable NastyRiffraff Jun 2014 #46
Ditto! usafvet65 Jun 2014 #55
Exactly. Benghazi would've been replaced with Bergdahl in a heartbeat. alp227 Jun 2014 #68
I don't blame the President for doing it this way... Bryce Butler Jun 2014 #53
Fool me twice Kber Jun 2014 #59
Oh, boo hoo GOP. blackspade Jun 2014 #54
We understand.... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #63
If this is how Obama has to empty Gitmo... truthisfreedom Jun 2014 #65

Cha

(296,848 posts)
5. No, it doesn't.. they wouldn't care if Sgt Bowe Bergdahl were on his
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:24 AM
Jun 2014

death bed.. They can't handle President Obama making a move without their whining disingenuous input.

kairos12

(12,843 posts)
30. Once more, there's not a chance he is related to any chickenhawk rethug.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jun 2014

Not their family, they don't care.

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
2. This line from the AP story
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:11 AM
Jun 2014

may well be one of the reasons Congress wasn't notified.

Only a handful of people knew about the operation and Hagel said "we couldn't afford any leaks anywhere, for obvious reasons."


The Pentagon was probably concerned some member of Congress would've ran off to the press with his or her "hot tip" or possibly attempted to obstruct the process. The GOP's hatred for President Obama is deep and abiding enough that they would cheerfully leave a POW in enemy hands if it makes President Obama look bad.

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
4. Personally, I have little
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:23 AM
Jun 2014

doubt that they would do everything in their power to sabotage the deal. And of course, you would've had the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the rest of that misbegotten ilk screaming night and day.

They'll still scream about it....but now it's a fait accompli and there's nothing they can do.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
7. And, Andrea Mitchell is doing her part for the US mediawhores..
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jun 2014

TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
Follow
'Thank you, Mr President.' #Bergdahl
12:37 PM - 31 May 2014 132 Retweets 88 favorites

Andrea Mitchell ✔ @mitchellreports
White house must feel #Bergdahl parents flanking Obama will take sting out of criticism of deal with taliban

Pushback on Twitter..

@mitchellreports PBO should have traded him for your fucking husband!!!
3:33 PM - 31 May 2014 13 Retweets 11 favorites

.@mitchellreports - Love it how @BarackObama makes the corrupt, war mongering #msm hacks bitter by the minute.

@mitchellreports Heartless comment. Poor parents, if they accidentally saw that. Barbara WaWa finally retired. Why not you?

3:59 PM - 31 May 2014

TOD

Really, Andrea? "The White House must feel..".. how the f*** would you know how the White House feels about anything?

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
9. Well, the next time
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:49 AM
Jun 2014

there's a trade for an American POW, we can send them Andrea Mitchell.

Along with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, Allen West, Louie Gohmert and Ann Coulter.

To name but a few.

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
18. I could see
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jun 2014

the Taliban responding to a proposal to send the Rush Limbaugh, etc., by saying, "Rush Limbaugh? Ann Coulter? Allen West?! Those people belong in a mental institution. Forget it. You think we're crazy or something? To hell with that....you can keep 'em."

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
19. Such a "cute" and clever statement
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:42 AM
Jun 2014

you show your humor.....but really, it isn't funny to give praise and comfort to a group that has killed thousands of American citizens. Your joke fell flat with me.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
60. Whatever that means....
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jun 2014

but no I didn't serve, but my father, husband, son and grandson have served, so I am proud of them all. Still can't understand your question!

alsame

(7,784 posts)
21. Wow, that's a disgusting comment, even for
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jun 2014

her. Criticizing the WH is typical for her, but it's also totally disrespectful of the parents, as if they were being used as props.

spooky3

(34,406 posts)
25. A very good point.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

I find it amazing that a legitimate journalist would feel so comfortable criticizing what surely were complex negotiations about which they have so little info--especially when it brought home a military member.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
28. Yesterday one of the CNN
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jun 2014

reporters said the timing of this release was 'questionable' and suggested it was done to distract from Shinseki's resignation. As if something like this could be arranged in a matter of hours.

Either these people are stupid or they think their viewers are. Probably a little of both.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
57. Awww.. poor little cnn would much rather hammer on Eric Shineski than report
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

a pow coming home now. It messes with their agenda big time. Bet they never reported on the republicons in Congress voting against the Vets in Feb.

Pennie109

(128 posts)
52. Andrea Mitchell is not a legitimate journalist.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jun 2014

She's nothing but a hack, barely able to contain her distaste for the president.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
40. Internet Win: "PBO should have traded him for your fucking husband!!!"
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jun 2014


Take the sting out of that, Ms. Mitchell!



(PS: The Taliban wouldn't have him!)

alp227

(32,006 posts)
67. Dates back to 1968
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jun 2014
Did Nixon Commit Treason in 1968? What The New LBJ Tapes Reveal

The story of Richard Nixon’s surreptitious contacts with the South Vietnamese government is quite well-known: fearful that a last-second peace deal would give Hubert Humphrey the election, Nixon agents—chiefly Anna Chennault—reached out to the South Vietnamese government of Nguyen van Thieu. The message: a peace settlement under a Nixon presidency would be more favorable to the South Vietnamese. The Paris peace talks may very well have collapsed without this Nixonian intervention, but South Vietnamese resistance ensured the doom of the negotiations. While it remains unclear whether Nixon personally directed the Chennault diplomacy, he clearly was aware of it by late October 1968, and seems to have done nothing to repudiate Chennault's toxic message.


The recently released batch of LBJ tapes (from the last eight months of 1968) provide much more detail about the political effects of Nixon’s operation. After Johnson privately deemed Nixon’s actions as treasonous, an extraordinary call occurred between Johnson and Nixon, in which Nixon did enough to satisfy the President’s concerns to prevent Johnson from going public about the Chennault actions.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
69. Yep. And then fast forward to
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:46 AM
Jun 2014

the Reagan/Bush team with the Iran hostages. The GOP has been doing things like this for political gain throughout my life, this would have been no different.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
6. Yes they would, Berlin. Sgt Bergdahl's life was the utmost important issue here to the President
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:28 AM
Jun 2014

and his Team.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. In that case, secrecy was required. Secrecy was appropriate.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

Congress should have set up some means through which prisoner releases could be quickly done. But we have a no-do, nothing-doing Congress.

A weak executive requires a strong Congress. We have a strong executive and a weak Congress. That does not meet our constitutional goals and standards. But Republicans are unwilling to govern cooperatively or responsibly, so what can Obama do in an instance like this?

I hope the right thing was done. The released prisoners sounded like a dangerous bunch. But I can think of ways it could be done safely.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
8. If these 5 Guantanamo detainees were safely releasable,
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:46 AM
Jun 2014

and someone wanted to take them,

then why were they still there in the first place?

And if they were classified as so terribly dangerous that they could not be released/returned, how can one soldier's safety--among all those who have died already--be worth the danger?

Either way, negotiating away Guantanamo detainees like this doesn't seem to make sense.

spooky3

(34,406 posts)
26. It's been in the news for a long time that
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

Several prisoners may be innocent and that it has been a diplomatic nightmare to try to get another country to handle the trials etc. so it is not at all clear that what you are saying is true.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
39. They are there because we are still at war in Afghanistan.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jun 2014

They can't be held forever, because the war is ending (and only a residual force will be left). There's no justification for continuing to detain them, once we're mostly out of that country and regular combat operations cease. We might as well get our soldier back alive, rather than...nothing.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
49. They are not 'terribly dangerous'
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

They were POWs just like any war's POWs.

Rules of war dictate that POWs be sent home once hostilities have ceased.

Everything else that is said is political theater.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
50. Interesting article on their identities
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014
http://time.com/2803988/guantanamo-detainees-bergdahl/

If they are neither "innocent" nor sufficiently obviously and provably guilty of some specific act against the U.S., maybe getting something for them is one of the better possible outcomes.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
51. Was the US soldier innocent?
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jun 2014

None of those 5 crossed an Ocean to invade a country

POWs are POWs and they must be released at the end of hostilities. It is not complicated.

EDIT - Unless they committed war-crimes. Then they should receive and fair and speedy trial.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
61. supposedly they were "high-risk" and "likely to pose a threat"
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 06:47 AM
Jun 2014

from

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-trade-afghanistan-reax_n_5429768.html

All five prisoners were classed as "high-risk" and "likely to pose a threat" by the Pentagon


So... we send soldiers off to possibly die to capture people like these, and then return five of them to save one soldier. Of course I'm happy for the returning soldier and his family, but the whole thing seems a little off to me. (Though they tell us that the returned prisoners must stay in Qatar for a year.)

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
66. If someone that fights off foreign invaders is high risk...
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

...then someone who travels to the other side of the planet to invade a country is high risk too.

The US is not actively fighting the Taliban. The Afghans have suffered far worse than the Americans. It is time to let it go.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
10. The repubs are having a fit calling C-SPAN this am...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:49 AM
Jun 2014

Bergdahl was the first topic, and the GOP line has had a constant stream of crazies complaining about Obama "breaking the law" and "he hates the troops".

Typical...

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
11. The first thing I would do when I get home if I was Sgt. Bergdahl...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:53 AM
Jun 2014

....would be to beat the living s*** out of Ralph Peters.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
17. I don't believe this
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:35 AM
Jun 2014

so called "strategic analyst". O'shitty ..........? SOS. Welcome home Pvt. Fuck these clowns.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
24. I'd soft peddle the 'signing statement defense'.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jun 2014

We bashed the h*ll out of GWB and his signing statements, so I don't think it behooves us to use the same line of reasoning.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
44. Obama is also backed by the American people through campaign promise to begin to close Gitmo.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jun 2014

Republicans are crying, "Wolf." Personnaly, I am sick of September Surprizes. Obama did not allow them advance visits and statements this time.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. This Taliban deal is from a Pakistani playbook
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:31 AM
Jun 2014

Pakistani terrorists hijacked an Indian Airlines plane (IC814) to Kandahar. (Which was a rehearsal for 9/11 by the way with the same MO of slashing throats of passengers etc.) and demanded release of five Pakistani terrorists in Indian jails.

We cannot get rid of this cancer unless we put a stop to Pakistan sponsored terrorist operations.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
16. He should make their heads pop, saying he was acting as Commander-in-Chief...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jun 2014


The NDAA has placed near-impossible restrictions, amounting to an effective prohibition, on the use of military funds to transfer detainees. The only possible Executive exception, or Waiver, is where it is in the United States’ “national interest” to enact a transfer.

I'd say getting an American home is in hte national interest NDAA was designed to hamstring the releases by the President from Guantanamo Bay.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
36. Congress would have leaked it, mostly to sabotage ANY deal (R's).
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jun 2014

Hagel and Obama both knew that. They both served in the Senate, they know what sort of treacherous assholes they're dealing with. And it was still a dangerous effort--the exchange could have been an ambush or Bergdahl could have been strapped with explosives. Operational security was critical--you want to let McCain in on it? Inhofe? LOLOLOL.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
62. I think McCain would have kept his mouth shut
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:46 AM
Jun 2014

He knows just what it is to be a POW.

No, it would have been some chickenhawk who talked.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
37. Obama acts decisively and like a commander, but The Media is still compelled to call him weak??
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jun 2014

The American media is full of corrupt whores.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
38. I think a lot of right-wingers are too smart to go there
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

For example, I haven't heard a peep about this from any of the right-wingers that pound my in-basket daily.

Almost no Americans have a strong desire to keep Gitmo open. The only issues was that the GOP terrorized the stupidest people in their ranks to get all worked up about trying them as criminals and sending them to American prisons.

And regardless of the circumstances of this soldier's original capture, it is always a good thing (politically) to bring an American soldier home.

So go right ahead, GOP, and try to make a big deal about this. Most thinking people know this is one they can't touch. Obama knows that too, and is smartly raising the ante on the GOP, taking advantage of al;l the hatred and stupidity that exists in the modern GOP

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
41. I've seen this additional spin: "Bowe Bergdahl was not a POW"
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

While I haven't seen this from any serious mainstream journalists, I've seen many Facebook posts on pages line "NBC News" in which nutters are pushing the meme that Bergdahl wasn't a captured POW, but rather a deserter who fell into the hands of the Taliban. In this scenario, we shouldn't have traded anyone (their reasoning, not mine).

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
42. He was confused and disillusioned. I think he had some goofy ideas over there.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jun 2014

But, that said, even confused goofy soldiers should come home. 5 years as prisoner is plenty of punishment for his mistakes. He is probably very emotionally damaged now, and will need a lot of support--I think that added to the urgency.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
70. I've actually heard something like this firsthand from someone in the military
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jun 2014

I can't say who or the connection, but I know the person well.

Personally I haven't followed the story very closely so my knowledge of it is very limited.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
45. Interesting State Department Statement on this
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jun 2014

The responsibility to make sure all of our men and women in uniform return from battle, especially those taken prisoner and held during war, is deeply personal to me as someone who has worn the uniform of my country – and as someone who was deeply involved in those efforts with respect to the unfinished business of the war in which I fought. Our nation has a sober and solemn duty to ensure that every single American who signs up to serve our country comes home. The cost of years of captivity to Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and his family is immeasurable. Today, we are heartened that Sergeant Bergdahl will soon be reunited with his family and friends, from whom he has been apart for far too long.

I extend my personal gratitude to the Government of Qatar – and especially to the Amir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani – who played such an instrumental role in returning Sergeant Bergdahl home. We work every day with Qatar on a range of critical foreign policy priorities. This effort – one that was personally so close to our hearts here – exemplifies how vital our partnership with Qatar is and will remain.

I spoke today with Afghan President Karzai to brief him on this development and to discuss President Obama’s announcement this week about our efforts there. As we look to the future in Afghanistan, the United States will continue to support steps that improve the climate for conversations between Afghans about how to end the bloodshed in their country through an Afghan-led reconciliation process. As we’ve said, we look forward to working with the next President of Afghanistan and to standing side-by-side with the Afghan Government and the Afghan people as they build a secure, stable, sovereign, and unified country.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/05/227013.htm

================================================================

The reason I call it interesting is parts of the last paragraph. Some may remember that Kharzi and some more moderate elements of the Taliban were to have meetings in Qatar except Kharzi backed out a year ago - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/20/afghanistan-talks-taliban-qatar-cancelled

The last paragraph suggests that with a new President, they might be back on.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
46. Unbelievable
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jun 2014

the Republican reaction. If Sgt Bergdahl had been killed, they would have blamed Obama for that. They want it both ways. All of them are missing something vital that makes a decent human being.

Thank you, President Obama, for this soldier's life.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
63. We understand....
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jun 2014

...ain't that right John!

- Only an insensitive prick would complain about bringing a sick and dying POW back home.







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