Geez.
Is this just two kids being exceptionally stupid or is it a symptom of something in our culture? Could it be related to an American tendency to devalue life today? The same thing that leads young men to become mass murderers?

WALKER FANS.

unless we find out that Scott Walker runs the horror website.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2014/06/slenderman.html

On May 31, 2014, two 12-year-old southeastern Wisconsin girls stabbed their 12-year-old friend nearly to death in the woods to please Slender Man, which they had learned about online. Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier, 12-year-old girls in Waukesha, Wisconsin, held down and stabbed a 12-year-old friend 19 times.

The two girls claimed that they wished to commit a murder as a first step to becoming "proxies" (acolytes) of the Slender Man. They had planned it for months, and finally made the attempt in a park on Saturday morning, after a slumber party. They said they learned about Slender Man on Creepy Pasta, a website about horror stories and legends. They planned to run away to the demon's forest mansion (in the Nicolet National Forest) after the slaying, the police complaint said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man

The Slender Man (also known as Slenderman) is a fictional character that originated as an Internet meme created by Something Awful forums user Eric Knudsen (a.k.a "Victor Surge&quot in 2009. It is depicted as resembling a thin, unnaturally tall man with a blank and usually featureless face, and wearing a black suit. The Slender Man is commonly said to stalk, abduct, or traumatize people, particularly children. The Slender Man is not tied to any particular story, but appears in many disparate works of fiction, mostly composed online. . . .

The Slender Man soon went viral, spawning numerous works of fanart, cosplay and online fiction known as "creepypasta": scary stories told in short snatches of easily copyable text that spread from site to site. Divorced from its original creator, the Slender Man became the subject of myriad stories by multiple authors within an overarching mythos.

The first video series involving the Slender Man evolved from a post on the Something Awful thread by user "ce gars". It tells of a fictional film school friend named Alex Kralie, who had stumbled upon something troubling while shooting his first feature-length project, Marble Hornets. The video series, published in found footage style on YouTube, forms an alternate reality game describing the filmers' fictional experiences with the Slender Man. The ARG also incorporates a Twitter feed and an alternate YouTube channel created by a user named "totheark". Marble Hornets is now one of the most popular Slender Man creations, with over 250,000 followers around the world, and 55 million views.

If convicted of attempted murder, do they intend to hang the girls in public? Are we becoming seventeenth Century England?

Et vos, puellae?

These are troubled young girls, certainly in need of treatment and, perhaps, punishment. They definitely must be removed from free contact with the public, however, to charge and treat them as if they are adults is thoroughly reprehensible.

The legal authorities are supposed to act like responsible adults, not like children themselves!

You probably wouldn't believe some of the things "kids" do. I was a victim of a gang of such. Lock them away forever. No one does things like that unless they're irreparably evil.

However, I have a serious problem with calling them "evil." I do not believe in the Devil, or witches or using the term "evil" to strip children of their humanity.

That is a term, in my opinion, which should only be applied to human beings as a form of hyperbole.

binding contract at 12, marry at 12 and drive at 12. There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be tried as an adult at 12. That is just common sense.

I have stated in the past that all "consent" limits should be set to the youngest age a person can be "tried as an adult". Therefore, if we are going to try "children" as "adults" at 12, the all other rights should also be present, such as voting, marriage, gun ownership, smoking, drinking, etc.

When children behave as monsters, absent some organic mental defect, adults are to blame. And ducking that blame by claiming children are "adults" is even more monstrous.

If we are making them responsible in regard to criminal action, they should be considered responsible in other respects as well.

The prospect of twelve-year-olds voting in State and National elections does put charging such a person as an adult in much clearer perspective!

Do you really think it is justice for society to destroy a person's future when they are still in the sixth grade?

they are 12 not 2 they knew exactly what they were doing. people in the middle east get married at 12, "mary mother of god" was "12".... they should be tried as adults. they are the ones who ruined their own lives. let them rot.

if a 12 year old can give birth to the "son of god" then a 12 year old can go to prison for trying to stab another person to death 19 times. this wasnt an accident. the knife didnt oops slip out of their hands once. she didnt fall on the knife 19 times. they STABBED HER 19 TIMES. ON PURPOSE.

something.

Mary did not consent to giving birth. She was simply told by the angel that she would have the baby.

You think 12 year olds can give sexual consent? Do you happen to appear on the show Duck Dynasty?

That might explain everything: If one does believe in gods getting human women pregnant (perhaps after taking the form of a mighty goose?) and gods being born as men, while still being gods, what then doesn't make sense? Certainly a twelve-year-old being an adult is no great leap. I understand.

A 12 year old is simply not an adult and doesn't think or act like an adult, no matter how heinous the crime they commit. But this is typical of the morally reprehensible behavior of prosecutors who want to take every advantage to gain notoriety as tough law and order types and gain a reputation so that DAs can gain political power. I feel for the victims but treating preteens like adults willy nilly when the DA's office chooses to do so is not the answer.

Thank you.

That's why without exception, in every jurisdiction in the United States, a preteen's signature on a contract is completely voidable at civil law. They are swayed by fantasy, by wild imagination, by irrational desires and passions, by a failure to understand and appreciate the ultimate consequences of their actions. Charging preteens with attempted murder on the same order as an adult is inappropriate, although I think these kids need to be institutionalized for the rest of their youth and allowed the opportunity to be rehabilitated.

I am a firm believer that most children can be rehabilitated with the right treatment

But the fact that they were planning this for months and didn't have second thoughts is really scary.

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They do not need to be branded as attempted murderers for the rest of their lives.

carry the scars of what they did for the rest of her life.

I hope she has a terrific birthday!

Obviously, these two at a minimum will have to be separated from other children until they're 21. Maybe committed indefinitely to psychiatric care.

The ghastly circumstances warrant punishment and psychiatric interception. These two children cant possibly understand the right and wrong of such a terrible action and as such require thorough mental healing. If there ever was a case for mental health attention this is it.

"These two children cant possibly understand the right and wrong of such a terrible action and as such require thorough mental healing. "

Right, let them out eventually and how long before the murder someone else. What do you think, they expected their victim to find it amusing? I wonder what they've done to family pets over the years.

I guess my opinion differs, they can be held as juveniles for 6 years until they turn 18

Being tried as an adult does not mean they will be held in an adult facility ... For example, in Arizona, they would be held in a juvenile facility until they reached the age of 21 or so, then transferred to an adult facility.

As a practical matter, trying these children as adults will allow for a longer sentence, then if they were charged as juveniles. Juveniles tried as such can only be held until they reach the age of 21; whereas, trying them as an adult, they could be sentenced for a much longer term.

How it usually plays out is, if tried and convicted as adults, they would receive a sentence that would allow them to be released at 21 (or so), if the court deems them "rehabilitated", i.e., treatment successful and no longer deemed a threat to society. But if the court deems them as remaining a threat, they can be held longer.

in mine as far as I know it would mean adult prison as it has for young Black males (at least) for a couple of decades albeit I have no idea what race these girls are

while since the last comprehensive DoJ study (2000) indicated an increase in both youth tried as adults and youth housed in adult facilities (less than 60,000 nationally), these youth were typically housed in Jails, rather than prisons, and in all cases, segregated from the adult population.

But as I mentioned, after more than a decade, States are starting to realize that this practice is not only harmful to the youth (e.g., making them MORE violent and MORE likely to offend, both inside the institution and upon release); but much, much more costly. Sadly, it is the latter finding that has a majority of States trending away from adult prosecutions and jailing of juveniles.

You might find this report of interest ... though it is not directly on point:

http://jjustice.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Automatic-Adult-Prosecution-of-Children-in-Cook-County-IL.pdf

especially if the crime is deemed 'gang related' which translates to non-white offenders, I've heard of one very recent case where the juvenile was white don't know what the outcome there was though- what I did not say is that the race of these girls may well lend itself to where they are incarcerated

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=260b.181

While the juvenile might be detained for a brief period of time in a Jail (5-8 days, depending on the offender's age), it seems to be the rare, rare case that a juvenile goes to an adult facility for any extended period of time.

thanks for the info

charged as juvi they could be held until 25 years old. I just think we have to try to rehab these girls. The reports I read indicated that one in particular was along for the ride and never felt comfortable, but ultimately went through with it. The other girl was a bit more cold, but I don't know how to interpret a police interview through the news paper. I know this we can't be locking up kids with adults and throwing away the key.

That stabbing someone 19 times is wrong, then you're pretty fucked up and don't need to be around the general population.

Trying them as juveniles would limit their punishment greatly. Trying them as adults would not.

I shudder at the thought of these children being set free to prey upon other children. I certainly don't advocate their release. I would like to see their mental health addressed with treatment to see if they will ever see liberty again. Obviously there needs to be punishment, I just think these kids might be able to live productive lives with a lot of professional help.

... the difference between online fiction and real life. That is "pretty fucked up" as you say, but it does argue against the idea that they were acting as adults.

There is no such thing. They are not adults and shouldn't be charged as adults. By your logic a 12 year old should be able to join the military and consent to sex with an adult, they cannot.

them as adult.

To me, I don't think they should be charged as adults, but I also DON'T think they should be released back into society. I wouldn't have much hope for their rehabilitation.

This is shocking. A heckuva lot worse than two little girls bullying a third little girl because they didn't like her dress or something. There was an absolute intent to KILL the third girl in cold blood.

If there's a mental health issue to this (and there may or may not be), then the investigation needs to extend into the family unit to determine why a 12 year old decides to brutally attack a classmate, and then has the forethought to plan out the attack and carry it out.

I was extremely happy when I learned that the youngster who was the object of the attack has survived. Her recovery will be the focus of my compassion.

will certainly be pushed by the defense attorneys. The initial motion to have one girl moved to in-patient care in a mental health clinic was denied by a judge.

I'm sure that the potential development of this defense will be explored in other ways.

But, the issue isn't really the presence of any mental illness. It's whether that illness somehow made the attackers not legally responsible for their criminal behavior.

I'm not at all sure the home environment or relationships with family members would of necessity be indicated if a mental illness is present that validates the insanity defense. I think it is warranted by circumstance...investigation into what went on during the sleep over certainly will bring the investigation into the home and in contact with the family of one of the attackers.

They are entitled to whatever defense that a judge allows, and certainly at this age, there will be research into their upbringing, etc.

I heard one child psychologist say today that she would be interested if the leader of the two (yes, one has been determined to be dominate) had been abused in any way. Now, this was one opinion and there are no facts available to support that opinion, but I think it will be a logical place for experts to delve into.

Two seventh grade girls who were attempting to drown another girl in a toilet. That age is dangerous.

A child has to be devoid of feelings or compassion to do this. A personality disorder is usually for life.

I talk to the parents of her classmates. I just don't get how parents don't notice things. Pay attention to the details people. Like my son always says "check the corners"

I'm the parent. I have to make the effort.

You're being naive if you think you are seeing everything they're doing online.

The only time my one daughter uses a computer is to physically write a paper. She even does the research on her phone.

Taking their phones away as a "punishment" also proved futile as they simply use their friends phones.

Morgan E. Geyser was allowed to have two friends over each year for her birthday. This year, she'd celebrate on May 30. That is the day she and Anissa E. Weier would try to kill their friend during a sleepover.

On Monday, the two Waukesha girls were charged in Waukesha County Circuit Court as adults with attempted first-degree intentional homicide, each facing up to 65 years in prison. Their victim, another 12-year-old from Waukesha, was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both, according to a criminal complaint. All three attend Horning Middle School in Waukesha.

Geyser and Weier are being held on $500,000 bail each. The pre-teens attempted murder, they told police, to pay homage to a fictional character who they believed was real after reading about him on a website devoted to horror stories.

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After school on Friday, Weier told police, she and Geyser went to Weier's house, where she packed a backpack with clothes, granola bars, water bottles and a picture of her mother, father and siblings. She didn't want to forget what her family looked like after leaving for Slender's mansion.

The girls then went to Geyser's house. With Geyser's father, they picked up the victim and all went to Skateland.

They came home around 9:30 p.m. and went to sleep in Geyser's room.

Geyser and Weier originally had planned to commit the murder at 2 a.m. Saturday, according to the criminal complaint. They'd duct tape their victim's mouth, stab her in the neck and pull the covers up to make it look like she was sleeping. Then they'd run.

But the plans changed after they'd been out rollerskating Friday night. Instead, they'd try to kill her in a bathroom at a nearby park the next morning. Weier knew there was a drain in the floor for the blood to go down, she told police.

'This was really happening'

The next morning, Geyser's mom said they could go and play in David's Park, on S. East Ave., just north of Les Paul Parkway. As they left, Geyser lifted up the left side of her white jacket; the knife was tucked in her waistband. Weier told police she gave Geyser a look with "wide eyes." When asked by police what that meant, Weier said, "I thought, dear God, this was really happening."

Weier said they eventually ended up in the park bathroom where Weier planned stab her friend. Once in the bathroom, Geyser handed Weier the knife, and Weier indicated that Geyser tried to restrain the victim, but Geyser had a "nervous breakdown" and Weier had to calm her down.

Weier then suggested they go for a walk, pointing out a wooded area near Rivera Drive and Big Bend Road. They could play hide and seek, distract the victim, then kill her. Geyser was the first "seeker," and Weier and the victim hid. Weier told the victim where to hide and told her to lie facedown in the dirt. The girl refused. Weier then pushed the victim and sat on her, thinking Geyser could stab her. But the victim began to yell and complain that she couldn't breathe. She was attracting attention, so Weier got off her.

Geyser gave Weier the knife, but Weier said she told Geyser she was too squeamish and gave it back.

Weier said that once Geyser got the knife back, Geyser told Weier, "I'm not going to until you tell me to." Weier said she started walking away from Geyser and then told her, "Go ballistic, go crazy." Geyser said she would go ballistic, and Weier said, "Now."

Weier said Geyser then tackled the victim and started stabbing her. The victim was screaming. Weier said when Geyser got off the victim, the victim screamed, "I hate you. I trusted you."

Weier said the victim tried to walk toward the street but was stumbling. They didn't want anyone to see her, so Weier grabbed her arm and pulled her away from the street. The victim fell. Weier said the victim couldn't breathe, see or walk. Weier told the victim to lie down and be quiet — she would lose blood more slowly. Weier told police she gave the victim those instructions so she wouldn't draw attention to herself, and so she would die. Weier told the victim they were going to get her help; but they never planned on actually doing so. They hoped she would die, and they would see Slender and know he existed. With the victim lying on the ground, they began to back away.

When police asked Weier if she knew what it meant to kill someone, Weier said, "I believe it's ending a life and I regret it." Weier also said, "The bad part of me wanted her to die, the good part of me wanted her to live."

'I didn't feel remorse'

Geyser's report to police was much shorter.

She confirmed the details of Weier's interview with law enforcement officials, but said she thought that Weier stabbed the victim first.

"Weier put the knife in my hand and then I continued to stab her," the complaint quoted Geyser.

When asked how many times Geyser thought she stabbed the victim, Geyser said she did not know; all she heard was screaming.

At one point, when talking with police, Geyser said she was sorry. She said she had put the knife back into her bag and wiped it off on her jacket. She then told a detective, "It was weird that I didn't feel remorse."

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In court on Monday, Geyser's family members broke into tears several times during her appearance.

"The family is very horrified at what has happened," attorney Donna Kuchler said.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/waukesha-police-2-12-year-old-girls-plotted-for-months-to-kill-friend-b99282655z1-261534171.html

Some of the statements made by the girls, if true, send chills down my spine.

I feel very bad for all three families.

They just can't be around other people.