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alp227

(32,004 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:33 PM Jun 2014

Feds: Georgia can’t tie food stamps to drug tests

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Georgia cannot implement a new law requiring drug tests for some food stamp applicants and recipients, federal officials told the state Tuesday.

The law, passed by the Legislature in March and signed by Gov. Nathan Deal, would require testing in cases where state workers have a “reasonable suspicion” that the person is using drugs. It is scheduled to go into effect on July 1.

But U.S. Department of Agriculture policy “prohibits states from mandating drug testing of (food stamp) applicants and recipients,” according to a letter from Robin D. Bailey, regional administrator of the USDA Food and Nutrition Service.

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/feds-georgia-cant-tie-food-stamps-to-drug-tests/ngDCQ/

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Feds: Georgia can’t tie food stamps to drug tests (Original Post) alp227 Jun 2014 OP
States Rights bpj62 Jun 2014 #1
Watch them decide they don't want any food stamps to go to their state. AAO Jun 2014 #2
These are the same people who chose "massive resistance" in the 60s. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #3
but they are still fighting it today. AlbertCat Jun 2014 #17
Test For IQ billhicks76 Jun 2014 #22
Food Stamps is a federal program and the states do not make the rules. Hands off Georgia. jwirr Jun 2014 #4
so isn't ACA a federal program? greymattermom Jun 2014 #5
Yes, but our esteemed SCOTUS gave them the right to exempt themselves. They did not give them jwirr Jun 2014 #7
I have always wondered that myself. But one of the reasons is that the state puts money into the jwirr Jun 2014 #25
The part of the ACA that dealt with Medicaid is a Joint State-Federal program happyslug Jun 2014 #28
When Governor Perry shut down the state food stamp office, the state of Texas received a huge fine DhhD Jun 2014 #18
I hear what you are saying. There is nothing to stop these asses from breaking the law. But it still jwirr Jun 2014 #24
The state will sue ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #6
Now that I would not be surprised at. jwirr Jun 2014 #8
Then all red states will instantly move for the same restriction. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #15
Would it be too much to hope for Deal's being voted out in November? Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #9
This is why joint Federal-State administered programs in essential services Jake Stern Jun 2014 #10
Why don't they just shoot them? underpants Jun 2014 #11
CUE THE VONAGE THEME, you all! rocktivity Jun 2014 #12
Makes me ashamed to say Thespian2 Jun 2014 #13
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #14
Yeah, as if people get *high* from food. Another EPIC GOP FAIL. freshwest Jun 2014 #16
Don't know about the drugs madville Jun 2014 #20
Ugly, stupid people running Georgia's G.O.P. Judi Lynn Jun 2014 #19
Looks like he is smelling a stinky fart. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #21
can we make the people who start senseless wars and crash the economy take drug tests? Skittles Jun 2014 #23
the Constitution calls for probable cause questionseverything Jun 2014 #26
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #27

bpj62

(999 posts)
1. States Rights
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jun 2014

1,2,3 wait for it because you know that good ole Nathan Deal will not be able to keep his mouth shut. Never mind the fact that Food Stamps are a federal subsidy. I've said it before and I will say it again the South lost the Civil war 150 years ago but they are still fighting it today.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
2. Watch them decide they don't want any food stamps to go to their state.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

Just like Medicare. Fuck the people!

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
3. These are the same people who chose "massive resistance" in the 60s.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jun 2014

Rather than integrate schools, they shut down the public school systems.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
17. but they are still fighting it today.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jun 2014

SOME are.

How does that explain Alaska.... or WI, ND, SD, PA, NJ, OK, .....and so on?

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
5. so isn't ACA a federal program?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

Why does medicaid expansion have to be a state program in the first place? Why not a federal exchange for medicaid, money out of the hands of the states completely?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. Yes, but our esteemed SCOTUS gave them the right to exempt themselves. They did not give them
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

this right with food stamps and all other federal programs.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. I have always wondered that myself. But one of the reasons is that the state puts money into the
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jun 2014

program. I am not sure how.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
28. The part of the ACA that dealt with Medicaid is a Joint State-Federal program
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jun 2014

Somehow, Justice Roberts switch positions during the internal discussion of the case. It is now believed that Roberts not only wrote the Majority Decision (Clearly marked as written by Roberts) but also the dissent, whose author is NOT named in the the dissent.

Basically what Roberts did was to rule that since the ACA is a tax and Congress has the power to tax the ACA is constitutional. The payments are mandatory by the Federal Government and the mere fact that the money is going to private companies does NOT change that fact it is mandated by Federal law and thus a tax.

The Dissent took the position that requiring health insurance is NOT a tax and thus unconstitutional for any tax money must go to the US Treasury not independent private companies.

Now Roberts did side with the dissent when it came to medical assistance. Medicaid is a Federal-State joint program. The Federal Government will pay 50% of the medical bills of medicaid recipients, up to the limit set by the State unless that limit is more then the Standard of Need (Since Medicaid was started in the 1960s NO STATE has ever matched the Standard of Need, so the true limit is the income guidelines of each state).

Under the ACA, the Federal Government was going to increase that percentage to 100% of anyone over the State Guidelines for the first two years, and then 90% afterward. Roberts ruled since the Federal Government did not take over ALL of the Cost of Medicaid, including the cost of those people presently on Medicaid in addition to the 10% NOT assumed by the Federal Government for those people above those state guidelines, that was taking a power from that is reserved to the States, i.e. who is eligible for Medicaid.

Thus Roberts said each state could opt out of Medicaid in excess of what they were paying, even through the Federal Government was to pay 100% of those additional costs.

As to your Statement, a 100% Federal Takeover of Medicaid would resolved this issue but that includes setting up local offices to administer the program. Furthermore Congress would have to vote for such a take over and the GOP now controls the House of Representatives and have held such control since before the US Supreme Court ruling. Thus a Federal Takeover of Medicaid is not possible at the present time.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
18. When Governor Perry shut down the state food stamp office, the state of Texas received a huge fine
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jun 2014

from the federal government. People everywhere, including the Churches that tried to feed the recipients told Perry to get it all going again as fast as possible because they could not carry the load! Children went hungry.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. I hear what you are saying. There is nothing to stop these asses from breaking the law. But it still
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jun 2014

remains that they are breaking the law if they think they can stop these programs without the SCOTUS telling them they can as they did with ACA. If they all try it the fines will get bigger and the violence in their states will also get bigger IMO. People would have to be really crazy to let an elected government let them go hungry.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
6. The state will sue ...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014

it will go to the SCOTUS, and the idiot 5 will side with the state.

Wait for it.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
10. This is why joint Federal-State administered programs in essential services
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jun 2014

such as Medicaid and SNAP are a bad idea - it opens the door for regressive states to screw with applicants and gives the SCOTUS an opening to rule in favor of it.

Such programs should be the exclusive territory of the Feds.

Instead of applicants going to the county Family Services office, they would go to the nearest Social Security office to apply for SNAP or Medicaid.

Imagine how many more people would have access to health care if Medicaid was administered by the Feds solely. States wouldn't have the ability to turn down expanded Medicaid and since the states have no role in it, the SCOTUS couldn't do a damn thing.

rocktivity

(44,571 posts)
12. CUE THE VONAGE THEME, you all!
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jun 2014

Unless Georgia is willing to define "reasonable suspicion" -- or drug test EVERYONE that is receiving taxpayer funding!


rocktivity

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
13. Makes me ashamed to say
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jun 2014

that I was born in Georgia. Fortunately, I haven't lived in the state in 46 years.

madville

(7,403 posts)
20. Don't know about the drugs
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jun 2014

But 20 years ago when I worked at a gas station in a poor area it was common for people to barter with food stamps. Common exchange rates were 2 to 1, food stamps to dollars. It was mostly to secure lottery, cigarettes and alcohol though.

I think they would be harder to trade these days since the assistance is on a debit type card.

Judi Lynn

(160,447 posts)
19. Ugly, stupid people running Georgia's G.O.P.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jun 2014

Another armpit of the country.

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Governor Deal. [/center]

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
26. the Constitution calls for probable cause
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jun 2014

before an invasion of privacy not "reasonable suspicion"

this is more of the same bs illegal stripping of civil rights as the fisa laws that weaken the criteria of what is necessary before the govt can invade your privacy

so for those that think the 4th amendment doesn't matter, here is perfect example of why it does

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