Moncton shooting: 3 RCMP officers dead, 2 wounded
Source: CBC
The New Brunswick RCMP have confirmed that three officers have been killed and two wounded in a shooting in Moncton.
A police manhunt is still underway for Justin Bourque, 24. The RCMP say Bourque is considered "armed and dangerous."
"There is an active shooter in the Moncton area. Were asking residents to stay in their homes and lock their doors," said Jullie Rogers-Marsh.
Paul Greene, an RCMP spokesman, said Bourque was last seen in the wooded area near the Pinehurst subdivision. The police are asking people to keep their doors locked and leave their outdoor lights on.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-shooting-3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-1.2665359
Additional sources: The Globe and Mail, BBC, AP, CNN
KT2000
(20,568 posts)hope they catch him quickly
The city proper has a population of 69,074 (2011) and covers 142 km2 (55 sq mi). The Moncton CMA has a population of 138,644 (2011). The CMA includes the neighbouring city of Dieppe and the town of Riverview, as well as adjacent suburban areas in Westmorland and Albert counties.[5]
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pretty intense for a city of 70,000. good luck in catching shooter fast
greyl
(22,990 posts)His latest FB post:
8 hours ago
A cockroach in the concrete, courthouse tan and beady eyes.
A slouch with fallen arches, purging truths into great lies.
A little man with a big eraser, changing history
Procedures that he's programmed to, all he hears and sees.
Altering the facts and figures, events and every issue.
Make a person disappear, and no one will ever miss you.
Rewrites every story, every poem that ever was.
Eliminates incompetence, and those who break the laws.
Follow the instructions of the New Ways' Evil Book of Rules.
Replacing rights with wrongs, the files and records in the schools.
You say you've got the answers, well who asked you anyway?
Ever think maybe it was meant to be this way?
Don't try to fool us, we know the worst is yet to come.
I believe my kingdom will come.
(lyrics from a Megadeth song)
https://www.facebook.com/justin.bourque.5682
freshwest
(53,661 posts)rocktivity
(44,572 posts)"A little man with a big eraser, changing history..."
The only question is whether or not he's targeting cops exclusively.
Never mind.
rocktivity
greyl
(22,990 posts)rocktivity
(44,572 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:23 PM - Edit history (3)
The song is two years older than he is. I rest my case.
But don't judge him too harshly. He couldn't know that blaming bad behavior on rock lyrics is beyond passe -- he wasn't even born at the time.
rocktivity
valerief
(53,235 posts)50 or 60 semi-automatic assault weapons, the normal "good guy" gun owner who *needs* these to hunt ducks.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)I'm sure shooting officers is illegal in Canada, but it happened. Bringing assault rifles into Canada might be illegal, too, but it can happen.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You will not be passing 'go' nor collecting '$200' if you attempt it and they catch you.
Not even so much as a single pistol.
So 'can happen' might be possible, if you mean accomplishing the feat of crossing the border with weapons, un-caught. Sure. It has happened. But that would disqualify the person doing it from anything resembling the label 'law-abiding'.
valerief
(53,235 posts)on edit
I hate guns, btw. Not sure if that was clear. I'm no gun humper.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)You are allowed to freely bring non-restricted weapons (primarily hunting rifles/shotguns) into Canada as long as they are declared at the border when coming. Customs agents will verify they are stored correctly. Restricted items like handguns can be brought in as long as you have an authorization to transport certificate before entering. Of course, there are some weapons that are forbidden completely and are in the link below.
http://canada.usembassy.gov/traveling_to_canada/bringing-weapons-into-canada.html
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The official process is not super-awesome in practice.
But you are correct, I discounted a person with nefarious intent going through the proper process (partially due to one of the weapons he was photographed carrying, as it would be tightly controlled, range-only in Canada).
Leme
(1,092 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)they like their guns.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)unlike their neighbours to the south.
hack89
(39,171 posts)It is not the guns it is the people.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The gunman 24-year-old Justin Bourque, who is dressed as John Rambo played by actor Sylvester Stallone in the popular 1980s films, has shot five Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers including a woman, in Moncton in New Brunswick, Canada...
Danny Leblanc, 42, said he saw the shooter in the distance, wearing a camouflage outfit and standing in the middle of the street with his gun pointed at police cars.
The construction worker said he believed it was an RCMP officer until he heard a burst of automatic gunfire coming from the mans gun.
That guy was standing on the road afterwards and he was looking towards us, he said.
He said he quickly retreated into his home and remained there with his family. At one point a neighbour posted on social media that their kitchen window was shattered by gunfire.
http://www.news.com.au/world/rcmp-on-hunt-of-gunman-justin-bourque-after-multiple-shootings-in-moncton/story-fndir2ev-1226944168831
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)This killers rampage would then be over. Locking yourself unarmed in your home is no protection at all.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)RCMP New Brunswick ?@RCMPNB 24m
Shooter still beleived to be in Pinehurst Subdiv. area of Moncton. Stay locked inside. Avoid area. #Codiac #RCMPNB http://ow.ly/i/5NHfb
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Even in Canada
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Unless I'm missing something, how did you derive that from this story?
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)and the article didn't mention any sort of motive.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)he still shot a woman.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)He may be targeting any uniformed officer, regardless of gender. At this time, we do not know his motives.
christx30
(6,241 posts)His posts on FB don't have an anti-woman slant. It's about hating police. He sees a uniform, not a person.
It's like that old joke, "I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally." This guy is an equal opportunity psycopathic gunman.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)ltheghost
(37 posts)Dressed like Rambo too....Why is he targeting the police? Vendetta or something. Reminds me of Chris Doner.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They aren't there now, thank goodness.
Terrible situation. Fucking idiot thinks he's Rambo:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/05/gunman-kills-three-canadian-police-in-moncton-new-brunswick
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The open carry yahoos still play dumb as to why people don't feel at ease with them carrying their own personal WMD around:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/107818547
Of course, they have sooo much respect for the Second Amendment, they deny the First Amendment to others:
Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women - Welcome to the dark side of America's war over guns
By Mark Follman - May 15, 2014
...Ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, a small but vocal faction of the gun rights movement has been targeting women who speak up on the issuewhether to propose tighter regulations, educate about the dangers to children, or simply to sell guns with innovative security features. The vicious and often sexually degrading attacks have evolved far beyond online trolling, culminating in severe bullying, harassment, invasion of privacy, and physical aggression. Though vitriol flows from both sides in the gun debate, these menacing tactics have begun to alarm even some entrenched pro-gun conservatives...
Last May in her hometown of Phoenix, she (Jennifer Longdon) helped coordinate a gun buyback program with local police over three weekends. On the first Saturday, a group of men assembled across the street from the church parking lot where Longdon was set up. They shouted about constitutional rights and tyranny, and called people arriving to trade in their guns "sellouts." (The program netted nearly 2,000 firearms with more than $200,000 in reimbursements.)
Some of them approached Longdon. "You know what was wrong with your shooting?" one said. "They didn't aim better." Another man came up, looked Longdon up and down and said, "I know who you are." Then he recited her home address. The harassment continued, and the men showed up throughout the program, a Phoenix police official involved confirmed to me.
After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, "like something out of a commando movie," Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. "Don't you wish you had a gun now, bitch?" he scoffed before taking off.
"It was like a mock execution," Longdon says, recalling the intense surge of adrenaline and how the incident triggered her PTSD from the 2004 attack that nearly killed her and her fiancé. She called the police, but they were unable to track down the perpetrator. By the following Saturday, Longdon was back at her post helping run the buyback...
Worth the time to see more details and the videos at the Mother Jones link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
Glad your friends aren't there, MADem. The Guardian article suggests he is using social media and might target more police or possibly those who oppose open carry or other forms of gun ownership.
There was confusion at the time as some thought he was a LEO. The assumption may have been that Bourque didn't look threatening, if open carry is legal in Canada:
My reply on another thread:
Picture of Justin Bourque walking away after shootings from another website with more details:
The gunman 24-year-old Justin Bourque, who is dressed as John Rambo played by actor Sylvester Stallone in the popular 1980s films, has shot five Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers including a woman, in Moncton in New Brunswick, Canada...
Danny Leblanc, 42, said he saw the shooter in the distance, wearing a camouflage outfit and standing in the middle of the street with his gun pointed at police cars.
The construction worker said he believed it was an RCMP officer until he heard a burst of automatic gunfire coming from the mans gun.
That guy was standing on the road afterwards and he was looking towards us, he said.
He said he quickly retreated into his home and remained there with his family. At one point a neighbour posted on social media that their kitchen window was shattered by gunfire.
http://www.news.com.au/world/rcmp-on-hunt-of-gunman-justin-bourque-after-multiple-shootings-in-moncton/story-fndir2ev-1226944168831
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014819200#post9
The fear caused by the open carry crowd, especially since they respond to any criticism with assaults, death threats by phone, mail and email, crossing all social boundaries, is logical and common sense.
It creates a higher level of constant anxiety which causes people to reduce their thinking process to the survival level and not reason. To deny that effect is how they escalate the bullying.
It's crazymaking, where the victims are kept on edge as they don't know what the person with the gun will do next, bad or good, diverting their energy to being ready to flee danger. But the open carry crowd is setting up this social dynamic:
Essentially it is treating the individual not as someone you love but as someone you resent, or a stranger, or switching between extremes. This then leaves the victim unable to relax and constantly on their guard and as such this can give way to severe stress, paranoia, or other similar issues.
If you then complain about the situation you will be told you are being stupid or overly sensitive and in your current mental state you might be inclined to listen.
This in itself is a form of mental abuse that can be damaging and can also prevent you from escaping from the situation.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12799/1/Mental-Abuse--Tell-Tale-Signs-of-Crazy-Making-Psychological-Abuse.html
It's a very effective techique in personal life and political issues. The stress causes people to surrender their own rights to live their lives as they would prefer to these Rambo wannabes.
At the MJ article, you can see these guys are using the same techniques Walker supporters did in Wisconsin to intimidate people who were working on recall to silence them.
In several cases they went at night, a favorite time for all criminal enterprises, to the homes of the petition signers and did property damage by shooting through windows and other acts. They have no respect for property rights, first amendment or other rights, only their rights to bully others.
They are most often targeting women who want to protect their children, community and themselves. This culture is overflowing our border to the north now.
JMHO.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Thank goodness, they have a small child; they're probably frantic about the grandparents, though.
That Walmart pic is horrifying--the idiots pictured are not confidence-inspiring.
I hope they catch this asshole. I'll bet there are a few people in Moncton who envy some of our less enlightened states with their death penalty option right about now....
I saw the police press conference. The spokesman looked shook up--this kind of stuff doesn't happen in that town...you can see his comments at the video here:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/world/canada-shooting/
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I wouldn't want to live anywhere near "Oreo Guy" in the middle, there.
I think I can gather what his opinion of "ethnic people" is from the smirk and the cookies....
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Nasty ass slob thinks he's so clever.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)by civilians before heading back to the woods. I was hoping he'd do what most cowards with a gun do when they've murdered.
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)and I'd be interested to know what kind of police record he had.
rocktivity
polly7
(20,582 posts)want to or be able to say anything until they know for sure they're chasing the right person. If it's him:
"A woman named Caitlin Isaac spoke to media on Thursday, claiming she is a former coworker of Bourques.
In an interview with Business Insider, Isaac said she worked with Bourque at a Walmart years ago. She said he was fired and that he always seemed to have a problem with authority.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1375802/who-is-justin-bourque-suspect-in-moncton-shooting/
EX500rider
(10,809 posts)....assuming he doesn't surrender or kill himself.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Suspect Justin Bourque arrested at 12:10 a.m. in Moncton.
Dave Ross identified as one of the Mounties killed.
Police say residents of north Moncton can now leave their homes.
RCMP will provide an update at 8 a.m. AT / 7 a.m. ET Friday.
One wounded officer is still in hospital and another has been released.
The search for a heavily armed suspect who allegedly killed three RCMP officers and wounded two others in a Moncton, N.B. shooting rampage, ended early Friday morning when police confirmed suspect Justin Bourque was arrested at 12:10 a.m. local time.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1374998/rcmp-officers-shot-in-moncton-reports/
Moncton resident Michelle Thibodeau, 21, said she saw the arrest unfold firsthand, and posted her account of events on Twitter:
He was in my backyard. I saw him arrested in front of my eyes. He is alive. Thank you #RCMPNB.
michelle thibodeau (@YourMichelle) June 06, 2014
The swat team arrived at my house and unloaded and started screaming in my backyard for him to surrender and he did. I watched it happen.
michelle thibodeau (@YourMichelle) June 06, 2014
They had him sprawled on my front lawn for some time and then loaded him into the swat vehicle. They are now checking my yard for firearms.
michelle thibodeau (@YourMichelle) June 06, 2014
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)A friend of the suspect said Bourque was very sheltered, home schooled and came from a devout Christian family. Hes always had a problem with authority and following rules, Bourques friend...told Global News. Hes not stable at all (H)es not a bad person, hes just sick. Its sad, I feel bad for his family.
On Thursday, a woman named Caitlin Isaac...said she worked with Bourque at a Walmart years ago. She said he was fired and that he always seemed to have a problem with authority. A person named Caitlin Isaac is friends with an individual named Justin Bourque on Facebook. The Facebook page contains posts and memes about police, guns and shootings.
Police said Bourque, who is now in custody, surrendered without incident on during his arrest. Police recovered weapons that were nearby, however no weapons were on Bourque when he was arrested.
No wonder he liked the song Hook In Mouth -- a "little man with a big eraser", indeed.
rocktivity
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)On Friday, after arresting suspect Justin Bourque, 24, police identified the officers.
Constables David Ross, Fabrice Gevaudan and Doug Larche were killed in the shooting. Constables Darlene Goguen and Eric Dubois were injured.
Const. David Ross
Ross, 32, was originally from Victoriaville, Que. He was married and with his wife, Rachel, had a 19-month-old son and a second child on the way.
He joined the force in Ottawa and after graduating on July 9, 2007, was posted to New Brunswick.
His cousin, Lucinda Ross, wrote on Facebook the police dog-handler was "passionate about his work.
Const. Fabrice Georges Gevaudan
Gevaudan, 45, was born in Bouloin, France. He joined the RCMP in Regina and on Feb. 11, 2008, was posted to New Brunswick as a general duty officer.
Const. Douglas James Larche
Larche, 40, was born in Saint John, N.B. On Feb. 4, 2002, he was posted to New Brunswick and served in a few detachments before working most recently in Codiac, which covers the Moncton area.
In 2008, Larche received a Commander's Commendation for saving the life of an unconscious baby in Moncton.