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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:06 PM Jun 2014

UPDATED: McCain: Those Accusing Me Of Bergdahl Flip-Flop Are 'Lying'

Last edited Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: TPM

CAITLIN MACNEAL – JUNE 5, 2014, 4:42 PM EDT

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) on Thursday disputed accusations that he changed his tune on prisoner exchanges and Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl after the soldier was released from the Taliban.

In February, McCain told CNN's Anderson Cooper that he would be "inclined to support" a prisoner swap to bring Bergdahl home, but has since come out in opposition to the exchange for the soldier's release.

On Thursday, McCain clarified that in February, he said his support for a prisoner swap depended on details.

"The details are unacceptable and for anyone to accuse me, therefore, of saying that I'd support any prisoner swap under any circumstances is lying," he told CNN's Jake Tapper.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-bergdahl-flip-flop-lying



~ UPDATE ~

McCain: Those Accusing Me Of Bergdahl Flip-Flop Are 'Lying'

BY GLENN KESSLER
June 6 at 6:00 am

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The Pinocchio Test

We fully appreciate that the details of a prisoner exchange are important, and McCain certainly made that caveat clear. But since the deal was announced, he has suggested that the question of trading the Taliban Five for Bengdahl was a surprise—and that’s certainly not the case. These five men were always part of the prisoner swap, so that is not a detail that can be in dispute. Indeed, only a day after The Washington Post revealed a deal was in the works to trade the five men for Bengdahl, McCain appeared on television with what was billed as a “new position.”

McCain is on a bit stronger ground when he objects to a one year stay in Qatar. The length of the detention was not clear in February, though the former detainees will remain longer in Qatar (to mid 2014) than was contemplated under earlier proposals (end of 2014.)

But what is the point of a prisoner swap if the released prisoners are not at some point going to be free? By the very nature of such a deal, an experienced lawmaker (and former POW) like McCain should expect that the Taliban Five would have been able to go free eventually.

McCain may have thought he left himself an out when he said his support was dependent on the details. But then he can’t object to the most important detail–the identity of the prisoners–that was known at the time he indicated his support. McCain earns an upside-down Pinocchio, constituting a flip-flop.

An Upside-Down Pinocchio



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/06/06/did-john-mccain-flip-flop-on-the-bergdahl-deal/?



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UPDATED: McCain: Those Accusing Me Of Bergdahl Flip-Flop Are 'Lying' (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
He can't keep track of his lies anymore. Poor ole John, getting old..n/t monmouth3 Jun 2014 #1
He knows we can see him.. abakan Jun 2014 #2
and the funny box with the glass circle Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #19
Embarrassment, shut up and get out of my govt and go home randys1 Jun 2014 #3
I think he is senile... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #4
oh shut the fuck up Skittles Jun 2014 #5
Heh, that was my first response. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2014 #23
Not that I'm an ageist or anything Arthur_Frain Jun 2014 #6
His Admiral grandfather died the day after retiring from the Navy Submariner Jun 2014 #10
I think he still has his wits about him--it's the integrity that's gone. yurbud Jun 2014 #37
He doesn't understand alsame Jun 2014 #7
McCain: supports prisoner swaps so long as the other guys remain prisoners onenote Jun 2014 #8
No, he supports Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #20
Yeah, as long as it's his ass being swapped out. Cha Jun 2014 #27
"Please proceed" Senator. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #9
let's roll tape and determine who's lying frylock Jun 2014 #11
Same old same old BumRushDaShow Jun 2014 #12
"The details" are that a Democratic President approved the swap and this removes Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #13
He should talk!!! uwep Jun 2014 #14
The sell-by date on McCain's lucidity has expired. nt MrScorpio Jun 2014 #15
I think his sell-by-date has expired period davidpdx Jun 2014 #29
Who neeeds accusers with the earlier interview footage? Zambero Jun 2014 #16
I think he really thinks that albino65 Jun 2014 #17
Uh huh.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #18
Rachel Maddow just proved John McCain lied Justice Jun 2014 #21
John McCain, you are a liar! You are a liar! Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #22
I can't believe he called the 5 from Guantanamo elias49 Jun 2014 #24
McCain has no soul. nt SunSeeker Jun 2014 #25
That's nice, McCain, eat your pudding and go back to sleep. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #26
Hey John davidpdx Jun 2014 #28
Someone tell John about those new fangled tape recording thingies. Vinca Jun 2014 #30
Tough shit, gramps. The footage is out there for all to see. Paladin Jun 2014 #31
No they ain't, Gramps. Arkana Jun 2014 #32
Just go away. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #33
Now get off my lawn!!! AKing Jun 2014 #34
Why anyone would pay any attention to this misfit is beyond me. olegramps Jun 2014 #35
Isn't it time for your nap? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #36

Arthur_Frain

(1,849 posts)
6. Not that I'm an ageist or anything
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jun 2014

John is 77. I would never want to denigrate the service he's done in uniform, or the time he spent as a POW. But there comes a time when you should just hand the reins over to someone a little more flexible.

Why is it that once in power, unless there are serious health problems, the only way these guys leave the house/senate is boots first? Me, I did my bit for king and country, and now I'm enjoying the good life. What? Is he just so caught up in the ideology that he can't let go? Is that the problem with all of them, and why "term limits" don't work?

Or is it just the cash flow John? Greed gotten the better of you and you never met a lobbyist you could say no to?

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
10. His Admiral grandfather died the day after retiring from the Navy
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jun 2014

and his also an Admiral father died soon after retiring from the Navy. His mother is in her 90s, and back in the late 90s I heard McCain saying he would not retire because he would have nothing to do and didn't want to replicate his granddad or dad's demise.

Coming in at 893 out of a class of 898 at Annapolis, and never making Admiral, and failing to win the presidency twice, I'm afraid has given him the resolve to be a big PIA until he dies in office.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
13. "The details" are that a Democratic President approved the swap and this removes
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

a major sticking point with the Taliban in negotiating a peace treaty.

Thanks for the thread, DonViejo.

uwep

(108 posts)
14. He should talk!!!
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

He was a prisoner also and many of his fellow POW's were not very nice about the comments they made. I have several articles that support many of the negative comments. The difference is that he was the son of an admiral and was given preference by the press and the north Vietnamese. Just shut up your mindless platter. I have never thought much of this guy, but he was an American prisoner of war and held in captivity. Some have said that because of the information he gave some paid the price with their lives.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
29. I think his sell-by-date has expired period
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:07 AM
Jun 2014

He exaggerates his own importance due to his huge ego problem.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
17. I think he really thinks that
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jun 2014

within the parameters of his particular reality. He has problems with his memory, but that suits his constituency. They're not very bright.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
21. Rachel Maddow just proved John McCain lied
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jun 2014

She ran the whole tape with Anderson cooper's interview with McCain.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
28. Hey John
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:04 AM
Jun 2014

Maybe you should suspend your campaign to deal with that since you clearly can't do two things at once. Oh that's right, you already lost!

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
35. Why anyone would pay any attention to this misfit is beyond me.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jun 2014

He would have been kicked out Annapolis, which he got into only because his grandfather and father were admirals. He was a lousy pilot. When he discovered that his wife was paralyzed he divorced her and hooked up with drug addict that bought him a congressional seat. He voted against nearly every veteran assistance bill that his lousy party has opposed. He is a just a lousy piece of crap just like every Republican in congress.

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