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Omaha Steve

(99,073 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:50 PM Jun 2014

Police: College student disarmed Seattle gunman

Source: AP-Excite

By MANUEL VALDES and PHUONG LE

SEATTLE (AP) — A lone gunman armed with a shotgun opened fire Thursday in a building at a small Seattle university, fatally wounding one person before a student subdued him with pepper spray as he tried to reload, Seattle police said.

A student building monitor at Seattle Pacific University disarmed the gunman, and several other students jumped on top of him and pinned him down until police arrived at the Otto Miller building, police said.

A 19-year-old man died at the hospital. Three other people were injured. A critically injured 20-year-old woman was taken to surgery, Harborview Medical Center spokeswoman Susan Gregg said. A 24-year-old man and a 22-year-old man were in satisfactory condition.

Gregg says one of those two men was not shot. None of the victims was immediately identified.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140606/us-seattle-campus-shooting-59b47a35a8.html





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Police: College student disarmed Seattle gunman (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2014 OP
"a student subdued him with pepper spray"... DonViejo Jun 2014 #1
Exactly. ChazInAz Jun 2014 #4
There are only about 9 million people nationwide with CPL's. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #8
We really do need more guns in the hands of more Americans. It's for our own good. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #10
Probably not. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #25
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #12
Guns probably aren't allowed on campus. LAGC Jun 2014 #19
Also an argument for banning assault weapons. Many more lives could have been taken pnwmom Jun 2014 #6
This may have only worked because it was a shotgun passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #16
Any other rights you would care to remove "for the children?" CAO Jun 2014 #27
Basic physics. Heywood J Jun 2014 #28
What? CAO Jun 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Heywood J Jun 2014 #36
Not playin passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #30
The gun troll fomerly known as CAO billh58 Jun 2014 #35
Amen bvf Jun 2014 #20
Excellent point, DV. :( Cha Jun 2014 #24
A good guy with pepper spray... geomon666 Jun 2014 #2
Bad man with a gun, good man with pepper spray. (nt) stone space Jun 2014 #3
Very brave students who took him down. uppityperson Jun 2014 #5
This relates directly to magazine capacity. Bonhomme Richard Jun 2014 #7
Fair point. Cyclic rate of a shotgun plays a part as well. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #9
Exactly right...the gunner shitheads who love their 30 rounds will hate this alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #15
So much for the Jesusfication of the almighty gun. onehandle Jun 2014 #11
That's how it's supposed to be done. Phlem Jun 2014 #13
If you outlaw pepper spray, only outlaws will have pepper spray. valerief Jun 2014 #14
Saved by vegetable extract! Vegans Unite! freshwest Jun 2014 #26
Another sad tragedy... Hulk Jun 2014 #17
Still no need for sane gun laws..... daleanime Jun 2014 #18
subdued with pepper spray during a reload.. frylock Jun 2014 #21
Sad though, even when the victims in these horrible shootings survive... tofuandbeer Jun 2014 #22
So true. Bullets blow holes in flesh, splinter bones. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #23
Guns are for people who lack courage. Aristus Jun 2014 #31
the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun, over and over, are elementary-school MisterP Jun 2014 #32
Such an interesting statement about common targets. ManiacJoe Jun 2014 #34
I didn't even have to read about this Rocknrule Jun 2014 #33

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
1. "a student subdued him with pepper spray"...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jun 2014

Hmm. Seems to counter an NRA argument that the only way to get these shooters, is to arm everybody. Pepper spray, good for the young man armed with it and NOT a gun.

ChazInAz

(2,535 posts)
4. Exactly.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jun 2014

Where were all those mighty men of action, the awesome Good Guys With Guns? How many of these horrors have they stopped to date?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. There are only about 9 million people nationwide with CPL's.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:23 PM
Jun 2014

Not everyone with a CPL carries 24x7. Police are only 0.00052% of the population.

There have been SOME, but not many. Physical proximity of a person who is not a dirtbag, and carrying, is required. Tyler Tx. Courthouse shooting; life saved by non-police armed response, who died saving a kid. Maldonado/Tacoma Mall shooting, armed non-police responder was paralyzed, no further fatalities after he intervened. Nevada IHOP shooting, armed CPL holder too far away, across the parking lot. Shooter had a rifle, responder had a pistol. Unable to compete.

Etc.

If they are close, willing to intervene, and happen to be armed, there are examples where they have helped. But the odds are not good that one is around when something happens. Too small a percentage of the population.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. Probably not.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:30 AM
Jun 2014

There are quite enough people already carrying, or licensed to do so, who really have no credible business doing so.

Still, I dont think it reasonable to assume there are enough to warrant an expectation that someone would be likely to be in a position to end more of these attacks with a gun. And if they did, it would lend credence to the whole idea anyway.

Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #8)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
6. Also an argument for banning assault weapons. Many more lives could have been taken
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jun 2014

before reloading would have been required.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
16. This may have only worked because it was a shotgun
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

and he needed to reload. If it had been a semi-automatic assault type weapon, with large magazine, he might have killed many more people.

Now...if you ask me, this is a excellent reason to limit the type of guns people can own. No handguns, unless you are licensed and need it for your job, and only hunting rifles that can't use magazines or hold too many rounds.

I know this is not a popular position to take with 2A people, but damn it, the lives of our kids do matter...much more than anyone's constitutional right to own any damn weapon they want.

 

CAO

(20 posts)
27. Any other rights you would care to remove "for the children?"
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:44 AM
Jun 2014

I'm sure some lives could be saved if we removed the protections against illegal search and seizure. Let the authorities in whenever they feel like it to check and make sure.

Would cut down on crime too..

You could bring back the 18th amendment and prohibit alcohol as well... One of the leading causes behind all sorts of abuse and deaths for children.

Maybe nibble away at the first to make sure kids don't get any "bad ideas."

You can never be too careful... or so it seems...

Edit: I am treading on Poe's law it seems... Oh well...

Response to CAO (Reply #29)

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
20. Amen
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jun 2014

The NRA's response will obviously be that the killer might have earlier been shot at random when he stopped by a fast-food establishment, thus preventing this terrible tragedy.

Ask yourself: How many would-be mass-killings might have been prevented by everyone toting a gun and shooting someone who didn't look right?

That's where the NRA wants to take us, I think.







Bonhomme Richard

(8,992 posts)
7. This relates directly to magazine capacity.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jun 2014

More rounds in a magazine translates into more deaths before someone has a chance to stop the shooter.. End of story.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. Fair point. Cyclic rate of a shotgun plays a part as well.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jun 2014

Granted, there are now shotguns in the same stick-mag-fed semi-auto configuration as any AK-type rifle.

(Saiga)

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. Exactly right...the gunner shitheads who love their 30 rounds will hate this
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:29 AM
Jun 2014

"It makes no difference!" they shout, like the gullible dumbshit tools of the gun manufacturers they are. "You can't even define 'magazine.'"

Gunners are fucking disgusting garbage.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
11. So much for the Jesusfication of the almighty gun.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jun 2014

You can be disarmed by a college student, basement dwelling gun nuts.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
13. That's how it's supposed to be done.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jun 2014

"a student subdued him with pepper spray"

Pepper spray the criminals not the citizens!

At the same time I'm appalled there isn't 75 bullets in his body!

FFS

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
17. Another sad tragedy...
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jun 2014

I'm sure thankful he only had a shotgun, and not another AR-15 and handguns with hundreds of rounds of ammo. So sad.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
22. Sad though, even when the victims in these horrible shootings survive...
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:50 AM
Jun 2014

they could have wounds that affect their walking, arm movement, etc.
The articles never go into that. These are horrible events no matter how many lose their lives.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
32. the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun, over and over, are elementary-school
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jun 2014

front-desk crew, college sophomores, and professors

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
33. I didn't even have to read about this
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jun 2014

to know that the shooter was a Klebold/Harris disciple.

Seriously, has there been even a single shooting in the past 15 years that WASN'T inspired by Columbine? It's getting so old and so predictable.

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