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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:49 AM Jun 2014

Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance

Source: Guardian

Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.

The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday . At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.

The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups, allowing agencies to listen to or record live conversations and, in certain cases, track the whereabouts of a customer. Privacy campaigners said the revelations were a "nightmare scenario" that confirmed their worst fears on the extent of snooping.

In Albania, Egypt, Hungary, India, Malta, Qatar, Romania, South Africa and Turkey, it is unlawful to disclose any information related to wiretapping or interception of the content of phone calls and messages including whether such capabilities exist.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/06/vodafone-reveals-secret-wires-allowing-state-surveillance

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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jun 2014 OP
Interesting about the GCHQ revelations from the register Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #1
I'm going to start repeating this question: How are these payments recorded? erronis Jun 2014 #19
''The tighter you squeeze, the less you have.'' DeSwiss Jun 2014 #2
When I wake up I will look up that author. postulater Jun 2014 #4
Here's a couple of places to start: DeSwiss Jun 2014 #6
The suffix "ment" in government... reACTIONary Jun 2014 #18
Thank you for this clarification - too often we all make up meanings and derivations. erronis Jun 2014 #20
The reports are on the vodafone website - here's the link bananas Jun 2014 #3
That's why I don't own a cell phone. Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #5
Our policy here, too. marble falls Jun 2014 #8
Since we have lived under these surveillance systems for the last 30 years and never knew it, and kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #7
Well, that takes the cake Demeter Jun 2014 #9
Reminds me of the room that Mark Klein talked about jakeXT Jun 2014 #10
My first thought as well. suffragette Jun 2014 #11
Vodafone owned 45% of Verizon Wireless until this year... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2014 #12
Good on Vodafone. Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2014 #13
I'm sure Verizon will follow suit. navarth Jun 2014 #14
Feds are very confident blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #15
''Pride goeth before a fall.'' :-| n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17
If this is a real shot, wow! erronis Jun 2014 #21
They know when you've been sleeping, they know when you're awake,...etc. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #16

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
1. Interesting about the GCHQ revelations from the register
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:04 AM
Jun 2014

Is that the phone companies are paid millions of dollars for this access. In most cases the intercepts are done in cooperation between network engineers and government agents.

erronis

(15,181 posts)
19. I'm going to start repeating this question: How are these payments recorded?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jun 2014

Many millions of $s/Euros/Pounds/Shekels are trading hands.

While I understand that "black" budgets don't allow the taxpayers that fund these payments to even know about them, I wonder how the recipients (companies, individuals) are recording them in order to pay proper taxes.

How many of these payments are made in hard cash that isn't recorded anywhere? Newly minted? Direct deposits to an off-shore account?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
2. ''The tighter you squeeze, the less you have.''
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:08 AM
Jun 2014

What's most amazing about all this is the relative lack of IQ that it takes to get this far. Once you've got everyone scared of you, you really don't have to do much but growl every once and a while.

- Of course the occasional convenient ''accident'' helps too.

K&R

The reality is that institutional establishments, institutions of codified thought, and institutions of societal influence and power, meaning philosophies, dogmas on one hand and corporations and governments on the other, each have a high propensity to engage in denial, dishonesty, and corruption to maintain self-preservation and self-perpetuation.

The result is a continuous culture lag where social progress by way of incorporating new socially-helpful scientific advancements is constantly inhibited. It is like walking through a brick wall as the established power orthodoxies continue to perpetuate themselves for their own interests and comforts.

The profit mechanism creates established orders which constitute the survival and wealth for a few groups of people. The fact is that no matter how socially beneficial new advents may be, they will be viewed in hostility if they threaten an established financially-driven institution. Meaning social progress can be a threat to the establishment. So to put this into a sentence: "Abundance, sustainability and efficiency are the enemies of profit."

Progressive advancement in science and technology which can solve problems of inefficiency and scarcity once and for all, are in effect making the prior establishment's servicing of those issues obsolete. Therefore in a monetary system corporations aren't just in competition with each other, they're in competition with progress itself. That is why social-change is so difficult within a monetary system. In other words, the established monetary system refuses to allow free-flowing change.

We have to understand that government as we know it today, is not in place for the well being of the public, but rather for the perpetuation of their establishment and their power. Just like every other institution within a monetary system. Government is a monetary invention for the sake of economic and social control and its methods are based upon self-preservation, first and foremost. All a government can really do is to create laws to compensate for an inherent lack of integrity within the social order.

In society today the public is essentially kept distracted and uninformed. This is the way that governments maintain control. If you review history, power is maintained through ignorance.


~Peter Joseph
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. Here's a couple of places to start:
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:51 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

http://thevenusproject.com/

Government:
From the Latin gubernare and the Greek kubernan, meaning 'to control' and from the Latin mente, meaning 'mind'

Government = The control of the mind

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
18. The suffix "ment" in government...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

... does not come from the Latin word for "mind". It is a common English suffix which comes from the Latin suffix "mentum". It simply indicates the process of doing something or the end result of what is done.

-ment. noun suffix. : the action or process of doing something. : the product or result of an action. : the state or condition caused by an action.


Government implies control or management, of course, but the Greek word kubernan has the sense of steering or piloting a ship.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
3. The reports are on the vodafone website - here's the link
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:25 AM
Jun 2014

There are three pdf's here:
http://www.vodafone.com/content/sustainabilityreport/2014/index/operating_responsibly/privacy_and_security/law_enforcement.html

Found that link in this article:

http://gigaom.com/2014/06/06/vodafone-puts-out-wide-ranging-transparency-report-hinting-at-secret-surveillance-programs/

Vodafone puts out wide-ranging transparency report, hinting at secret surveillance programs
By David Meyer
21 mins ago

The British carrier group Vodafone has issued its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report, which it will update on an annual basis. This is the most comprehensive transparency report yet, covering 29 countries where a Vodafone-controlled operator received a demand for assistance from law enforcement agencies or government authorities during the last year.

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Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
5. That's why I don't own a cell phone.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:39 AM
Jun 2014

And hardly ever use my land line. If I don't see a name I recognize on my caller ID, I let it ring four times and it hangs up on the caller.

If everyone would quit paying for phone service and internet service for about six months, I believe even the corporations would lobby against all this snooping.

It makes me mad, when I think that my tax dollars are being spent to sneak around and spy on me. That's why I start off every day by mooning my PC.(it's not a pretty sight!) I'll bet the NSA and not just your hair dresser, knows whether you're a natural blonde or not.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
7. Since we have lived under these surveillance systems for the last 30 years and never knew it, and
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:17 AM
Jun 2014

if the world situation is as F****d up as it is with all surveillance by government,

what does it all really mean and how can it be stopped? And when it is all stopped, if ever, then what?
There may be a number of principled employees out there but they will soon lose their jobs and other job hungry folks will take their places and government practices will only tighten more. Then we are really screwed. Problem is, we don't know where and when all this is taking place. So, starting a conversation about all of this may just be opening a can of worms. Time will tell.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
10. Reminds me of the room that Mark Klein talked about
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:48 AM
Jun 2014
Direct-access systems do not require warrants, and companies have no information about the identity or the number of customers targeted. Mass surveillance can happen on any telecoms network without agencies having to justify their intrusion to the companies involved.

Industry sources say that in some cases, the direct-access wire, or pipe, is essentially equipment in a locked room in a network's central data centre or in one of its local exchanges or "switches".



He said the NSA built a special room to receive data streamed through an AT&T Internet room containing "peering links," or major connections to other telecom providers. The largest of the links delivered 2.5 gigabits of data -- the equivalent of one-quarter of the Encyclopedia Britannica's text -- per second, said Klein, whose documents and eyewitness account form the basis of one of the first lawsuits filed against the telecom giants after the government's warrantless-surveillance program was reported in the New York Times in December 2005.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700006.html

erronis

(15,181 posts)
21. If this is a real shot, wow!
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe a paint a big HUBRIS around the rest of the capsule?

We need more Snowdens. We need more real patriots, not politicians and corporatists that wear flag lapels and feed at the taxpayer trough without giving anything of value.

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