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Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:49 PM Jun 2014

Irish archbishop adds voice to those calling for investigation of septic tank burials

Source: Washington Post

Irish archbishop adds voice to those calling for investigation of septic tank burials
By Ruth Gledhill | Religion News Service, Updated: Friday, June 6, 12:53 PM

LONDON — The Roman Catholic archbishop of Dublin, regarded as among the most influential church leaders in England and Ireland, has added his voice to those calling for an urgent inquiry into the discovery of nearly 800 babies and children buried in a septic tank at Tuam, a home for unwed mothers in western Ireland.

The scandal is just the latest among many to come to light involving the suffering of children in Ireland’s history, and it may be among the factors that have contributed to a big fall in church attendance in recent years.

“If a public or state inquiry is not established into outstanding issues of concern surrounding the mother-and-baby homes, then it is important that a social history project be undertaken to get an accurate picture of these homes in our country’s history,” said Archbishop Diarmuid Martin.

He also backed calls to excavate the site and set up a monument.

The archbishop is only the latest to respond to the international rage following the revelations. Ireland’s prime minister, Enda Kenny, has demanded to know the scale of the deaths and whether similar mass graves exist anywhere else in the country.


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/irish-archbishop-adds-voice-to-those-calling-for-investigation-of-septic-tank-burials/2014/06/06/6e3c8392-eda3-11e3-8a8a-e17c08f80871_story.html

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Irish archbishop adds voice to those calling for investigation of septic tank burials (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2014 OP
I love Ireland Scairp Jun 2014 #1
Didn't know that Ireland had hippo critters as ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #2
... me b zola Jun 2014 #3
This was discovered in 1975. Nice of the archbishop to speak up, AFTER the public has taken umbrage AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #4
Religion == PR Ghost Dog Jun 2014 #5
I doubt that he was archbishop for 35+ years roguevalley Jun 2014 #11
So why did the church and the Irish state wage a hidden war on children born out of wedlock ? fedsron2us Jun 2014 #6
because..... if they ain't baptized, then they's heedins and heedins can't go to hevin and Hoppy Jun 2014 #7
Constantinian apostasy strikes again! Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #16
Apostasy makes Jehovah's Witnesses go away. Just tell them you are guilty of it and they never ring Hoppy Jun 2014 #17
You can't lay this whole thing at the feet of the church Scairp Jun 2014 #18
They dig up bodies today in Floridas 'childrens house of horror' Religious leaders failed everyone. Sunlei Jun 2014 #8
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #9
I bet that there are baptismal records for the children. I wonder whether any of the mothers JDPriestly Jun 2014 #10
No records Scairp Jun 2014 #19
I saw the movie The Magdalena Sisters (I think that was the name) some years ago. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #20
Yes Scairp Jun 2014 #21
That movie was a hit job, filled with inaccuracies. happyslug Jun 2014 #22
watch philomena. its about this. check the dvd interviews roguevalley Jun 2014 #12
More proof ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #13
This is sick beyond the pale. Mr. Evil Jun 2014 #14
Ireland isn't the only country in which this happened. hue Jun 2014 #15

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
1. I love Ireland
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

But I will not go back there and spend money in that country until they do the right thing by the women and their children or any survivors of the victims of these fucking Magdalene Laundries and orphanages. Every year it seems another horrible detail comes to light and there is no excuse for any of these investigations taking so long. I urge anyone who is thinking of going there soon to reconsider. If you have family there, bring them here, just not on Aer Lingus.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
4. This was discovered in 1975. Nice of the archbishop to speak up, AFTER the public has taken umbrage
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jun 2014

and an investigation was already inevitable.

'Oh shit, better jump on this'

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
11. I doubt that he was archbishop for 35+ years
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jun 2014

The republic was ruled by the church from the beginning and getting them out of control has been a process. I am glad he wants this taken on. I love Ireland. I want to go back again shortly. This is such a great country. My mom's family is from Omagh, County Tyrone in the north.

You have to see it to believe the beauty and the people are so great. This is such a terrible story. It needs investigation and the nuns put in jail if they are responsible. Throwing children away like that is evil.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
7. because..... if they ain't baptized, then they's heedins and heedins can't go to hevin and
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jun 2014

so they don't belong being buried with the rest of us saved people.

Whatsamatteru? You didn't know that?

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
17. Apostasy makes Jehovah's Witnesses go away. Just tell them you are guilty of it and they never ring
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:47 PM
Jun 2014

the bell again.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
18. You can't lay this whole thing at the feet of the church
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

The Irish people are the ones who sent their daughters to these hell holes to be abused and worse, and washed their hands of their own flesh and blood. The people of Ireland must be held accountable for this atrocity and until they are, as I said, I won't spend one thin Euro in Ireland. I wanted to take my daughter to Ireland this year, but that isn't happening now, and it's very upsetting. I haven't been since she was born because she needed me, but she is old enough now, and I feel she would benefit from it. But the people have to admit what they did and do the right thing by any women who survived and are still alive, or their children and grandchildren. I reiterate my request to anyone who reads this to boycott Ireland and anything made within the Republic of Ireland. They have to face what they did and to whatever extent they can, make amends.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. I bet that there are baptismal records for the children. I wonder whether any of the mothers
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jun 2014

are still living.

A number of young women who children in the 1950s or even late 1940s might still be living.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
19. No records
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

The children born outside a marriage in these places were denied baptism. There aren't even birth or death records that are accurate for any of the children who were born or died in those places. This has got to be one of the the most appalling human rights violations in the western world, save the Holocaust, ever committed in the past 100+ years and it's been like pulling teeth to get the various Irish governments over the years to do anything like an investigation. My educated guess is this isn't the only 20th century mass grave containing the bodies of hundreds of abused/unwanted children across Ireland. And they put them in a septic tank, with the shit, because those fucking cold bitches who called themselves "brides of Christ" thought of them as shit. They make me sick.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. I saw the movie The Magdalena Sisters (I think that was the name) some years ago.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jun 2014

It is horrible. I did not know they were refused baptism.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
21. Yes
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jun 2014

The Magdalenes. They were the worst perpetrators of these crimes against humanity. There was a documentary made that had some actual survivors of those places. It was heartbreaking. One woman was sent there not because she was pregnant but because she accused a cousin of rape and they refused to believe her, so she was branded promiscuous. She was fourteen and her parents sent her to the Magdalenes. If I believed in hell I would wish them an eternity burning in it, the parents and the nuns, but since I don't I know they never had to suffer. That is criminal as well, that they never had to answer for what they did.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
22. That movie was a hit job, filled with inaccuracies.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

Now the washer women did suffer from problems, those problems were published in a report:

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/MagdalenRpt2013

The problem is many of the incidents shown in the movie, we have NO record of, In fact many of the women in those laundries report nothing like that happened in the laundries (some report such things in prison and juvenile detention centers but not the Laundries).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Asylum#The_Magdalene_Sisters

Now the Laundries were hard work, but that was expected of people in their teens when the laundries were in business. One of the problems with the laundries was most of the women in the laundries volunteered to be they. Now, some had been given a choice, prison or the laundries, but except for people who had been given that choice, i.e. the chose to go to the laundries, the women in the laundries always had the option of leaving.

Just pointing out, that the movie was a hit job. It relied on the story of several women who disliked being in the laundries but when the above study was done, based on interviews of many survivors of the laundries, those stories did not hold up.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
12. watch philomena. its about this. check the dvd interviews
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jun 2014

with the nuns who did this. they are psychotic people, those nuns.

Mr. Evil

(2,808 posts)
14. This is sick beyond the pale.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jun 2014

But, of course nothing will happen. The pope may give some speech. And there will be attempts to conveniently sweep it all under a very large rug. Anyone still alive that was connected in any way to these facilities and the horrible things that happened there should be raked over the coals regardless of how old they may be now.

I am so glad I disassociated myself from the catholic church and religion in general early on in my life. To me, religion is the greatest evil ever perpetrated upon the human race. Disgusting!

hue

(4,949 posts)
15. Ireland isn't the only country in which this happened.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jun 2014

This occurred in French Canada & several other European countries. A documentary was produced in Canada but the Vatican succeeded in scrubbing it from the US market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage

http://www.freedommag.org/english/press/page07.htm

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