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One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured. Police confirm that at least one civilian at the Walmart was shot and killed.

The two went to the back of the store and exchanged shots with the police who responded.

The female suspect shot the male and then shot herself.

I'm OK with CCW carriers because They've been screened. I'm sure he thought he needed to defend himself, but it seems he was out-armed.

I was in my car, coming back from buying new suitcases. I live just a few blocks away. Freaky.

Right wing gun fetishists should be classified as terrorists and watched as such.

Hmmm makes you wonder. Thanks for the heads up.

identities of the shooters hasn't been released thus far - pending notification of relative, presumably - if it was Sovereign Citizens behind this incident, it strikes me that the SC's are violently escalating their activities.

For a long time, a few notable exceptions notwithstanding, the SC's 'weapon of choice' was mostly frivolous legal manuevers. But as those attempts are almost unanimously rejected by the courts, perhaps the SC's have now come to view actual armed violence as their new 'weapon of choice' in their war against the US government.

Things could get quite ugly indeed - it's estimated there's about 300,000 of these loons running around in the US. The SC's origins lie in the Posse Comitatus movement of the early 1970s. That fizzled out for the most part by the mid-80's, and the PC's current iteration is pretty solidly a white supremacist/Christian Identity outfit.

But no doubt about it, if the SC's have decided they're going to resort to violence in order to get their point across, we can look forward to increasing acts of domestic terrorism in the near future. And that's most certainly not something to be looked forward to.

I don't know if they have a Canadian presence, but he believed a lot of the same stuff and killed 3 police officers.

estimates there's several thousand adherents of the SC ideology up in Canada. A lot of the Canadian shooter's postings struck me as very similar to SC nuttiness.

deleting my posting #12 was because the shooters apparently weren't those two. They're described as:

The shooters were a married couple thought to be in their late 20s who were new to the Las Vegas Valley

The man

told Monroe

he had been kicked off Cliven Bundy’s ranch 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas while people from throughout the U.S. gathered there in protest of a Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy’s cattle.

The shooters then stripped the officers of their weapons and ammunition and badges, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. They then covered the officers with something that featured the Gadsden flag, a yellow banner with a coiled snake above the words, “Don’t tread on Me.”

The flag is named for Christopher Gadsden a Revolutionary War general who designed it. It has recently come back in vogue as an adopted symbol of the American tea party movement.

I'm not sure you need to apologise, but given the other description, you're right not to leave their names up. I did read in one report that one of them had now rejected the sovereign citizen movement, and if that's true, they deserve a chance to leave it behind.

on probation apparently, and like all folks who've run afoul of the law, they get a chance to straighten up and fly right. Hopefully, they will avail themselves of the opportunity.

Totally agree!

I don't think we'll get anywhere until they are.

IDIOTS on tv, radio, and the net have to say. This is what happens. Fuck you and your revolution.

hate radio and corporate media, especially fake news and cnn, nra have been crying out for a revolution because of the Muslim in the WH.

Prayers to the families of the three killed.

I'm sorry... the only way this will stop if some repub biggie's kid becomes a victim and unfortunately is murdered.

got that right.

That would explain the "revolution" comment

they wanted to start a revolution. Or maybe they're Manson family wannabes.

Fatboyguru was so disgusting. I feel slimed I went into that cesspool of nastiness. I should have known better. The crazies are really losing it big time. The killers most likely were from the Bundy camp who were itching to use those expensive guns they brought. The hot sun fried their brains.

You should wander over to the comments section of the OP's link. Good god. Acording to the comments section, they are blaming this on enviro-nazis...... what the hell is wrong with this country......

One poster did mention that the story had been cross-posted on Drudge, and that the idiotic and vile deluge of comments is what typically happens when the Drudge crowd "captures a thread."

I hope that explains some of it, that a concentrated bunch of miscreants overwhelm a story like this with their warped comments, as opposed to those comments representing any sort of actual cross section of opinion.

Because if those comments are in any way a consensus of American opinion, the movie Idiocracy will end up seeming like a pleasant fairy tale.

I hope that explains some of it, that a concentrated bunch of miscreants overwhelm a story like this w,ith their warped comments, as opposed to those comments representing any sort of actual cross section of opinion.

The fear is this may be part of something bigger.

I have a gut feeling that it was Sovereign Citizens crazies behind this incident in Las Vegas. The SC's glommed onto the Bundy Ranch episode, along with other hardcore right-wing extremist groups.

The LVMPD is doing the right thing - their concern that there may be something larger at work behind the scenes is entirely legitimate, in my opinion.

To think the Ari the Liar once warned "words have consequences" to the anti-war left.

I am waiting to hear about the woman they shot in the entrance of the Walmart.

Was she simply in the way or was she a race they didn't like?

life in America after the gun humpers won

The two suspects then shot dead a a civilian who is believed to have been carrying a concealed firearm and had opened fire on them as they ran into the Walmart,

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Didn't CONCLUDE too good for their argument though.

have just donned their fallen officer uniforms. The police radio just went nuts when it happened. I'm so tired of this. I'm tired of the violence from cops, i'm tired of gun violence. Something has to give, somewhere. This has to stop. We can't continue like this. This cannot be what the founding fathers envisioned as a nation.

Now that cops are ones getting targeting?

Or are police going to use this as an excuse to kill more law-abiding citizens.

Going on the record saying "those dead cops don't trump my rights"?

Just wait 'til tomorrow morning, if not sooner.

And this guy is just another mass shooter waiting to happen.

....is to protect your gun rights from the cops because that what Jesus taught you than you need to have your guns taken away.

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...then they promptly shot themselves, just like the Founding Fathers. End of said revolution.

I'm sorry for the families of all involved, but these two were in on a suicide pact, not a revolution. I know some like to blame the guns, but I just don't know what's wrong with people anymore. It wasn't like this even 30 years ago, and anyone who wanted a gun could easily get one.

Have we gone mad as a society? Perhaps it's the recent rise in popularity of hate radio and Fox News that drives some to desperation. I'll never understand the school shootings.

This is the strategy .. and I think it's working ... for them. We've got to get the guns out of this culture of crazy.

How do we "get the guns out of this culture"? Republicans don't have a monopoly on owning guns, so electing democrats won't do it. I have a few pistols myself, and I'm not throwing a 100 year old Colt auto in a slag oven.

It sounds good to say we'll throw all the guns in the ocean. but you'll never find a majority willing to do that. No one sees their guns as the problem, and I agree. It's a new breed of violent people who seem bent on killing a maximum number, and a relatively new phenomenon that isn't seen in other countries. Canadians have access to all the practical guns they want, their kids play the same video games, and they watch the same movies, but they don't kill each other like we do. Guns alone aren't the problem, bizzarre social hatred is.

It used to be legal to own machine guns and hand grenades.

It wasn't that long ago when assault rifles were banned.

Not long before that there was talk of a ban on ALL handguns.

The majority of the public does NOT sleep better at night knowing Skeeter and Bill Bob are out in the woods protecting their freedom by playing army and pretending the enemy is the "Gubmunt" or the dreaded United Nations or even worse, the local SWAT team.

I remember when I was about 14 years old back in the mid 60's. My brother in law brought his M1 Carbine over. It was a short semi auto rifle with a flash suppressor and a 30 round banana mag. I other words, it was an assault rifle. During the "ban" of the '90s the only thing that changed was the appearance. Gone was the pistol grip, replaced with a hole in the stock, the extended magazine, and the flash suppressor. They were still assault rifles, just as deadly and just as available. There was no real "ban".

No one has ever spoken seriously about a national handgun ban. There were some outside politics who advocated for it, but no one who needed votes to hold office would ever propose such a national law, and that's not going to change soon. Given the time needed to collect all the guns in the entire country, I'd say it can't possibly happen in this century, even if we started tomorrow.

I'm not even sure how that could be enforced at this point, so I look more to changing the culture and the social problems that cause Americans to kill. Other countries don't have this problem but have guns readily available. People point to Canada as a model of sane gun control, but hunting is a big thing there, and anyone who wanted to go on a shooting spree is free to do so. They just don't do it. Why do we?

I remember when cigarettes were something everybody smoked. Now it's not very popular, but that wasn't done by banning possession of tobacco. Instead we changed the smoking culture to make them less socially acceptable. I say we find out why people find a need to carry a gun in public and work from that angle to make it unpopular.

Bike gangs like the Hells Angels and Outlaw MC are crime syndicates. I guess we could ban Harley Davidsons to break them up, but your law abiding neighbor who rides his Road King on weekends shouldn't have to suffer for the crimes of others who look like him. The AMA could legitimately say that when Harleys are banned, only Outlaws will have Harleys. Instead, we passed RICO laws that makes belonging to such an organization basically a crime. We focused on the corrupt individuals instead of the harmless lifestyle of others.

Guns are similar. I grew up in a rural area where guns were everywhere, but we thought nothing of it. I learned to shoot before the 1st grade, but I assure you, I'm not about to go on a killing rampage. In fact, no one did back then. That seems to be a recent phenomenon that I say needs study and actionable legislation.

I have friends who see guns differently than myself. One idiot friend carries a gun to mow his lawn. I openly laughed at him when I discovered that. Let's find out why people do that, and change the perception they have that they "need" to do so and change that. If my friend knew how much he looks like a dumbass, he may not do it.

It'd be a lot faster (and safer) than going from door to door with a wheelbarrow asking people to deposit their guns for disposal. When my paranoid buddies tell me us democrats are coming for their guns, I tell them they're full of crap. It's not going to happen.

I'm all for registration, waiting periods, comprehensive background checks, and I'd like to see an end to these stupid concealed carry laws, but taking my antique Colt pistol is not going to save a single life.

Sure they did. Right after Reagan was shot.