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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:24 PM Jun 2014

Reid: Las Vegas Shooting Sounds Like 'Terrorism,' Is Certainly 'Domestic'

Source: TPM

SAHIL KAPUR – JUNE 10, 2014, 3:21 PM EDT

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) described the Las Vegas shooting spree Sunday that killed two police officers and one civilian as a domestic act of "terrorism" by the perpetrators, who ended up taking their own lives.

In response to a question Tuesday from TPM about whether that constitutes domestic terror, Reid described the shooting in graphic detail and said, "I [don't know] what's in Webster's Dictionary but that sounds like a lot of terrorism and I know it's domestic in nature."

The perpetrators were identified as Jerad Miller and Amanda Miller, a married couple. Jerad Miller has expressed fervent animosity toward the federal government, mixing Second Amendment advocacy with violent rhetoric and calls for armed revolution.

Reid's counterpart in the lower chamber, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), resisted the label of domestic terrorism when asked Tuesday. He hesitated and said, "I'm not sure how I'd describe it," calling it a "horrific crime."

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/harry-reid-las-vegas-shooting-domestic-terrorism

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Reid: Las Vegas Shooting Sounds Like 'Terrorism,' Is Certainly 'Domestic' (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
Yep, you go get them Harry! Iliyah Jun 2014 #1
Well, when these guys were pointing guns at federal agents, they let them all go and did nothing... InfoWingerWatch Jun 2014 #2
Here, Johnny, see if it walks and talks like a duck: Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #5
"I'm not sure how to describe it. BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #3
AGREED: "Because my owners haven't told me what to say yet." But about this: freshwest Jun 2014 #16
I meant more the country lets them get away with it BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #18
They are fighting back by doing the daily work of helping millions, which you don't seem to see here freshwest Jun 2014 #19
Did Reid call it an act of terrorism or terrorism, because the difference is HUGE. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #4
Doh! SoapBox Jun 2014 #6
I've Posted This Before Leith Jun 2014 #7
Yep. you can't really get around that but the corporatemediawhores will try or just ignore it Cha Jun 2014 #8
Yeah, they are working overtime to create the next big lie. Paying overtime, no doubt. freshwest Jun 2014 #17
Four Americans died at Benghazi and Republicans flipped out because they don't Bandit Jun 2014 #9
Damn good point. reflection Jun 2014 #15
To the RW, "terrorism" is by definition not something done by other RWers. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #10
time to start heaven05 Jun 2014 #11
from a friend of mine per huff post piece heaven05 Jun 2014 #12
This. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #13
I do like your tag line heaven05 Jun 2014 #14
 

InfoWingerWatch

(78 posts)
2. Well, when these guys were pointing guns at federal agents, they let them all go and did nothing...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jun 2014

DHS, FBI, LVMPD did nothing!

Now that they blew away two cops they want to slap a domestic terrorist sticker on their bodies?

Although its better than nothing, it's still too little too late.

Maybe if local and federal law enforcement had taken aggressive action from the beginning, Jared Miller would have been behind bars for being a felon in possession of a gun. He wasn't exactly secret about being a armed felon either.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), resisted the label of domestic terrorism when asked Tuesday. He hesitated and said, "I'm not sure how I'd describe it,"


I'd like to see that baked potato saying that to the face of the families of the slain officers

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Here, Johnny, see if it walks and talks like a duck:
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jun 2014

ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
3. "I'm not sure how to describe it.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jun 2014

Because my owners haven't told me what to say yet."

Why do we let them get away with this?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. AGREED: "Because my owners haven't told me what to say yet." But about this:
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jun 2014
Why do we let them get away with this?

Ain't no 'we' about it, if by that you mean Democrats and Reid.


The ones who are letting them 'get away with' all this vote to keep them in office. Media owners support Boehner and Bundy and the Teaterrorists. They want the country to break into small Koch fiefdoms.

The kind of opinion we have here about the philosophy and the money being exchanged, has no mainstream voice. The public has been trained to accept the 'lone gunman' so they can 'file and forget' this and it makes little impact.

We have to get these guys out of office, and defend civil society from the 'rootin' tootin' wild west these guys represent. And finally take the bandage off the gangerous wound they represent.

Did you see this story here?

LTC Bateman tired of NRA and senseless shootings

That's It. I Am Coming Home.
The NRA has made mass killings normal in this country. I'm coming home from years of serving my country overseas to help stop it.


This is too much. We have Tea Party political activists shooting cops from behind, in the head, then covering their dead bodies with the Tea Party “Gadsden” flag and shouting, “The Revolution begins now!”

No. I am coming home. I need to be there and be part of the solution. Moms Demand Action is getting some traction, but they can use the lean-in of a few U.S. Army Airborne Infantry Rangers. I am only sorry that I did not stand up to this threat to our nation before. I am sorry. I was busy.

I have been overseas in Afghanistan and in NATO nations for half a decade while the insanity of the National Rifle Association expanded and exploded, and the NRA became, essentially, the tool of death in the United States. They made mass killings normal...


A whole lot more at the link that is even stronger and well worth reading, IMO:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/i-am-coming-home#comments

to Liberal Loner:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=6738

'We,' meaning those who are busy working hard everyday for peaceful solutions in real life that get no attention, won't let them 'get away' with this anymore. Hope his words will resonate for many Americans.

Good questions, BI.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. I meant more the country lets them get away with it
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

But honestly, the new tactic seems for the TP and pukes to be as crazy as possible and the rest of us to stand in wonder because we are too shocked to react. There needs to be a plan. The right has been working on this since Nixon, perfected it for Reagan and then put it on autorepeat for baby bush. In all this time, the Democrats haven't come up with a plan?

Again I say, Reid, Pelosi, Obama and others hit back when they feel like it. So far, the only consistent one is Sanders. That's why people love him. He so clearly articulates time and again why the loons are just plain wrong. Warren is great with her message of right and wrong in economics. She just keeps stating the truth simply and clearly and people get it. Why the hell isn't every Democrat educating, fighting back, making a stand? Oh wait...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. They are fighting back by doing the daily work of helping millions, which you don't seem to see here
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

I love Bernie and Warren, nothing Bernie has said has gotten his ideas passed into law unless he compromised. The word that part of being of being in a democracy, not an authoritarian, strong man rule such as those who support the methods of the GOP love.

The perfect language we want to hear to get us all whipped up does not save the lives of those millions. I recall his truth telling years ago about the deaths from Medicaid cuts but the GOP kept on. Kept on until Obama repeatedly called their bluff at great suffering to the American people at each deadline. It's not worth it to Democrats to have a body count build up for principles. That is a tool of those who are not direly affected.

In real time events, with real people, we know the good cannot wait for the perfect but those who will not be affected don't have to deal. Democrats aren't the majority and it took years of GOP money to make this happen, peeling them off by appealing to the baser, more rigid beliefs to change them into Republicans.No amount of flaying them for being the minority from a public that wants to hear tough guy rhetoric is going to help that change. EOM.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Did Reid call it an act of terrorism or terrorism, because the difference is HUGE.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014

ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Webster's

So Harry need not look it up, he is right.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
7. I've Posted This Before
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jun 2014

I Would Like to Ask Sheriff Gillespie a Couple of Questions:


If militia members had been detained as they left the Bundy ranch, could this mass shooting have been avoided? Are the feds or local law enforcement doing anything about the out-of-state thugs who pointed their weapons at BLM officers who were acting in accordance to their duty? If not, why not?

I don't have to know the details of what's going on behind the scenes with the Bunkerville fiasco. I would just like to know that something IS being done.


I live in Las Vegas, not very far from there. It's on the way to the library.

Cha

(297,026 posts)
8. Yep. you can't really get around that but the corporatemediawhores will try or just ignore it
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jun 2014

altogether.

thanks DV

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
9. Four Americans died at Benghazi and Republicans flipped out because they don't
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jun 2014

think Obama called it an act of terror. Now five people died in Los Vegas and Republicans are flipping out because Democrats have the gall to call it an act of terror..

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
10. To the RW, "terrorism" is by definition not something done by other RWers.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014

They have successfully redefined many words and terms to comply with their twisted ideology.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. time to start
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jun 2014

treading on these clowns, burning the remains and scattering the ashes.......Huff Post has a piece on this today. Fair article/essay but I've been reading these laments in one form or another since Columbine. Say anything to anyone? The gun manufacturers lobby wants no restriction on gun sales, the RW big manly men and women too, want men to be able to wave their dingalings in an open carry manner everywhere. The dead CHILDREN all the way from Columbine to Oregon are screaming from their graves for justice and gun sanity. How do WE keep this from happening again? I don't have an answer. If I did there would be world peace, What a laugh, huh?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. from a friend of mine per huff post piece
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:03 AM
Jun 2014

"it's too weak when it discusses the rule of law. It reads like a US justice department memo. It should have talked about war criminals and bankers and killer cops getting away with metaphorical and real murder. The erosion of the rule of law(bundy refusal to pay his fees and subsequent free pass) coupled with the public perception by the gun toting 'domestic terrorist(s)' that the rule of law has broken down deserves the most consideration in an essay like that". To extend, the shouts of needing revolution and coups(american spring) from the militias and patriot groups are sedition and treason. They have been enabled by the total acquiescence of the american media not calling them out for what they really represent.Terrorists groups bent on the overthrow of the american government. Period.Time to cut them out of the body politic, they are not a benign tumor.

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