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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:15 AM Jun 2014

Bergdahl’s writings reveal his fragile state long before leaving base

Source: Washington Post

Bowe Bergdahl was discharged from the U.S. Coast Guard for psychological reasons in 2006, two years before he enlisted in the Army, according to close friends who were concerned about his emotional health at the time. A senior Army official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to speak for the service, confirmed that the Army was aware of a prior “administrative discharge” when Bergdahl enlisted.

The 2006 discharge and a trove of Bergdahl’s writing — the handwritten journal along with other essays, stories and e-mails provided to The Washington Post — paint a portrait of a deeply complicated and fragile man who was by his own account struggling to maintain his mental stability from the start of basic training until the moment he walked off his post in eastern Afghanistan. “I am the lone wolf of deadly nothingness,” he wrote in one journal entry.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bergdahls-writings-reveal-a-fragile-young-man/2014/06/11/fb9349fe-f165-11e3-bf76-447a5df6411f_story.html

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Bergdahl’s writings reveal his fragile state long before leaving base (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
I feel bad for the guy navarth Jun 2014 #1
Dang fool should never have enlisted Android3.14 Jun 2014 #2
He doesn't sound like a fool. He sounds like he was emotionally/mentally ill. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #3
His family was reported to be unhappy with his choice. dogman Jun 2014 #12
I think they loosened the requirements gvstn Jun 2014 #5
They definitely loosened the requirements jmowreader Jun 2014 #16
The ruling class wanted its wars and needed them without a draft. $$$$$$$$$$$ nt valerief Jun 2014 #9
Just a question: Can it be Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome in an actual war situation? jwirr Jun 2014 #4
I would think absolutely. gvstn Jun 2014 #6
In some wars it was referred to as "shell shocked". dogman Jun 2014 #11
Yes both incidents is what I was thinking about. jwirr Jun 2014 #18
It sounds like he never should have been allowed to enlist. blackspade Jun 2014 #7
Atlas Shrugged. Home schooling. Those things couldn't have helped. nt valerief Jun 2014 #8
From the link, one wonders what else preceded his erratic behavior: freshwest Jun 2014 #20
One Does Have RobinA Jun 2014 #10
Some survivalists join up to be better prepared for what they see as the coming end of the world. freshwest Jun 2014 #21
The elite needed cannon fodder. Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #13
^^THIS^^ Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #17
this guy didn't seem prepared for the real world demigoddess Jun 2014 #14
With everything known about him, including his walking away from his base in this country question everything Jun 2014 #15
Given the precariousness of this situation.... cynzke Jun 2014 #19
Seriously. He could have snapped in a violent/suicidal way. Maybe walking away TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #22
He should have never been in the army warrior1 Jun 2014 #23
kick warrior1 Jun 2014 #24
Gotta wonder if he was bullied/hazed by his fellow soldiers? hexola Jun 2014 #25

navarth

(5,927 posts)
1. I feel bad for the guy
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jun 2014

He was obviously sensitive and troubled. And after the long ordeal of captivity, he's now made into a political football. I have no idea about whether he's guilty of anything, but I feel bad for him. Sucks.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
2. Dang fool should never have enlisted
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

We really need a civil service option instead of just scooping up any citizens to be cannon fodder in the military..

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. He doesn't sound like a fool. He sounds like he was emotionally/mentally ill.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jun 2014

Those are two different things. The fools are those who allowed him to join the army (looking at family and army recruiters).

dogman

(6,073 posts)
12. His family was reported to be unhappy with his choice.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

As parents they felt it their responsibility to give him support as most parents would.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
5. I think they loosened the requirements
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

When we found ourselves in two wars at the same time with little warning.

It seems to me with an all voluntary force it would behoove the military to use psychological testing to screen out those that will be most affected by the atrocities they will see. It would help protect prospective soldiers and lower PTSD rates. I believe we still have PTSD rates of 33% of returning soldiers which seems high considering that they were volunteers and would have self-selected for those most likely to be able to handle the emotional/psychological strain.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
16. They definitely loosened the requirements
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jun 2014

The big loosening was in "moral" requirements - criminal pasts and things such as that. You know that big dent in the sidewalk next to the recruiting station in your hometown, that showed up 'round about 2005? Well son, that got there because the Army Recruiters chucked the Group W bench off the roof. Yessir, they picked up that one-ton granite Group W Bench, told all the mother stabbers and father rapers to grab hold, and they hauled it up the fire stairs to the roof. They chucked that Group W Bench off the roof just as hard as they could. Took out four pigeons and a black-hooded crow on the way down, yes it did. And then you know what they did with all the father rapers and mother stabbers who were a-sittin' on the Group W Bench? That's right, they Put Them Right In The Army!

And now the Army has to figure out how to get rid of them. Because not only have they continued mother stabbing and father raping, they're reenlisting!

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
6. I would think absolutely.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

You wake up to an explosion and see two of your tentmates injured or killed. Any loud noise effects inordinately for months on end. Your ability to function is severely effected. That is what I call PTSD. Whether it rises to the diagnosis of official disability probably depends on the unit. I'm sure a proper diagnosis is discouraged until one is sent home.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
11. In some wars it was referred to as "shell shocked".
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014

His viewing a child run over without concern by a military vehicle seemed to have a strong effect on his views. Who knows what triggers a response from individuals.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
7. It sounds like he never should have been allowed to enlist.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jun 2014

The Army's need for bodies apparently outweighed his mental health issues.

I feel for the guy. I can only imagine how messed up he is now.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. From the link, one wonders what else preceded his erratic behavior:
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014
“A wolf, mutt, hound, dog, I’ve been called these from my childhood,” he wrote in the first few pages. “But what good am I, my existence is that of exile. To live on the fringes of this world as a guard...”

Wonder who was calling him these all of those things as it doesn't fit with the happy community image. Bergdahl was an achiever in his own way, as posted this here:

Who is Bowe Bergdahl? - Life of the U.S. Soldier captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan:




Uploaded on Jul 22, 2009

HAILEY, Idaho -
We are learning more about Bowe Bergdahl, the 23-year-old American soldier being held by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Since news of his capture was made public over the weekend, his friends in the Sun Valley, Idaho town of Hailey, have told ABC us that Bowe worked at a coffee house for a couple years, liked to ride his bicycle around town and had taken a class at the Sun Valley School of Ballet.

His family, concerned media descriptions of Bowe were limited to "bike riding, ballet dancing, barista," released more details about the life of their son Tuesday, through Walt Femling, the Sheriff of Blaine County, Idaho.

Sheriff Femling, who is a longtime friend of the Bergdahl family, called Bowe an adventurer. He said Bowe loves to ride both bicycles and motorcycles, but not cars. "He didn't like cars so he rode his bike everywhere," said Sheriff Femling.

He recounted how Bowe crewed a sailboat to the Caribbean and a fishing boat in Alaska. He toured Europe and California. "Not bad for somebody who is only 23 years old." He continued, "It's these adventures and others that made Bowe a very well-rounded person and I'm glad to know him." The Sheriff believes that Bowe's adventurous spirit played a part in his decision to join the military.

Bowe was good at handling guns and familiar with martial arts, and yet Sheriff Femling told us he was also a kind and courteous young man, "He would call you 'sir' or 'ma'am' and you know, to get a 23 year old these days to call you that is a little unusual."

As for education, Bowe was home schooled, but Sheriff Femling noted that he did receive his GED through The College of Southern Idaho.

Even though townsfolk had set up a fund for the Bergdahl family at a bank in Hailey, the Sheriff said the family discourages contributions. He explained that's not the focus of the family; they want prayers right now, not money. What's more, they ask everyone to pray not just for Bowe, but also for all of the men and women of the armed forces who find themselves in harm's way.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017195686

From the link about his writings:

He wrote about what he described as “shallow” and crude minds around him, and “this hell that pools so many fools, and they are all part of the illusion.”


He's not far off to a certain way of thinking, but that could be said any time if you don't respect those around you.

That doesn't fit with the video description of his behavior or the opinion of his neighbors. It's largely dependent on one's POV.

He certainly found himself in much worse company when the Taliban found him. There is something to be said for staying with those you know even in a horrible situation with people one doesn't like.

He most likely would have been sent home long before if he'd stayed with this unit. But the psychological pressure that was building up destroyed that instinct to survive in what we commonly term survival.

JMHO.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
10. One Does Have
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:52 PM
Jun 2014

to wonder to whom this man's enlistment seemed like a good idea. And I mean that with all due respect. Some people aren't cut out for combat. I would surely be one of them. Just reading the little that's out there about Bergdahl, the first thing that comes to mind is, Why would a guy like this and his loved ones think the military was even an option for him?

I guess people have different understandings of things.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Some survivalists join up to be better prepared for what they see as the coming end of the world.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jun 2014

He as well acquainted with the use of guns, etc., which may had him thinking he could do well in that milieau.

Earlier stories said he saw it as an adventure. He was a person who had traveled widely and did a lot of extreme sports.

He may have seen this as a test of his ability to survive, but ended up in the company of the Taliban who had no appreciation for what was to him, his sacred sense of 'individualism.'

Tribalists and cultists demand absolute conformity over each other and everyone who crosses their path. They eliminate those who cannot or will not live by their rules.

People are more complicated than Bergdahl realized and no philosophy covers half of what humans are about.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
17. ^^THIS^^
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jun 2014

It was well-known that the military was granting waivers to a host of questionable recruits. Bergdahl should never have been re-enlisted by the Army, and he damn sure should never have been placed in a combat zone.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
14. this guy didn't seem prepared for the real world
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jun 2014

at a young age he was going from home schooling to trying to join the French Foreign Legion, and when he can't do that, he enlists in the middle of a war! I don't think he knew what he was getting into, and may not have had the experience of the world to handle it. In addition, he may have been mentally or emotionally fragile.

question everything

(47,434 posts)
15. With everything known about him, including his walking away from his base in this country
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jun 2014

one has to wonder why he was sent to Afghanistan.

But, then, without a draft, we have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to keep all the troops in useless wasteful wars.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
19. Given the precariousness of this situation....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jun 2014

We are lucky he didn't harm anyone including himself.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
22. Seriously. He could have snapped in a violent/suicidal way. Maybe walking away
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jun 2014

was the pressure relief valve that kept him from doing so.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
25. Gotta wonder if he was bullied/hazed by his fellow soldiers?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

I've speculated that he was bullied into leaving/defecting...and the "search" for him was more of a "hunt."

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