he thinks he can enact "New Russia", invading other countries piece by piece, and get away with it indefinitely

that only the US is allowed to arm groups any damn where it pleases around the world? Sometimes even both sides in a conflict?

Hypocrisy on stilts!

This is all really odd. Despite the propaganda Kyiv says they are interested in calming things down but yet they have actually *never* done any reaching out, they have talked of some kind of semi-autonomy but never followed through on discussions about it. So why, do we continue the sharade that Kyiv is moderate and at all interested in democracy (which would require a compromise, because the people there *want* it.) They do not need to at all offer self determination, they just need to offer some kind of federalization with a government identical to what we have here in the states? Why is the US not seeing that as acceptable? A federal system is ok here but not in other countries? Why exactly would that be a problem?

government in the US. The Rada did announce that they were decentaralizing many responsibilities. The Russian version would even given the power to interact with foreign countries to the "states". This would be more like the EU and the countries in it -- than the US and the states in it. By the way, the Russian Federation - ie Russia - does not give the powers they demand Kiev give to its parts to the various Russian states. The goal of Russia is an extremely weak Ukraine. (By the way - as to America, remember why the Articles of Confederation were replaced by the Constitution?)

The Ukraine has tried to de-escalate the situation - they offered amnesty to all without blood on their hands. It is in their interest for things to become more peaceful.

nor consideration of even a typical federalization.

I found a story from the previous Presidents own foundation where he said it was off the table, even while the talking points were trying to make it sound like it was the opposite.

It is amazing here that people are so naive in understanding what is really happening in Ukraine. Especially with how serious we take right wingers here. We understand that right wingers talk through both sides of their mouths and will say anything while doing the opposite, but yet there is a disconnect when it comes to Ukraine. Somehow the propaganda has shorted that normally accurate understanding.

These are right wingers (well fatherland is more like the tea party than traditional right wing).

I have been spending way too much of my free time researching and finding out the truth, These guys are not a group that is going to bring more "Democracy". And in fact in the last few months it has become common knowledge in Ukraine that the richests oligrarchs were heavily behind many of the events. Now oligarchs are in positions all over the country (the excuse being "oh, they know what they are doing". Right, these are the same type of corrupt people.

In fact, I think many here do not even understand what is going on with the EU. The EU as an organization is not the old "Europe" as we think of it. It has been taken over by neo-liberals trying to do the same thing the corporations are doing here. In fact they are pretty much the same 1% with the same connections.

So don't think that just because the heads of the EU are with Kyiv that somehow means that all of Europeans support this.

The "former President" is just that the "former" President, who also was whining that he never knew Russia would annex Crimea.

Not to mention, there are a greater percent of right wingers in Russia,than in Ukraine. They got very little of the votes.

For example, regions ought to be allowed to elect their own governors instead of having them appointed by the central government. That's a sensible reform.

However, turning Donetsk and Lugansk into Russian proxy states is not, and never shall be, in Ukraine's best interests.

...of destabilizing the area and making it ripe for conflict. Which, coincidentally, makes the weapons-maker's cash register sing -- and they can only get the lyrics and sheets of music from Wall Street bankers.

- As the man said:

''The true value of a conflict is in the debt it produces -- you control the debt, you control everything''.

Be rational.

...but I do believe no one else will believe ''THE LIE'' this time.

We've all heard it too many times John. We know it's all bullshit covered in ribbons and balloons. We know you make war for money. Or better said, you work for those who do. You have a conundrum here. To ignore the American public's disbelief is to invite chaos. And it is ''control of everything'' that you foolishly seek.

The flailing about of the system's caretakers would be comical if only so many people weren't dying as a result of this stupidity.

- We can stop it any time you know? If we had leaders of the countries of this world, that's what we'd do.

K&R

The only guilty one of all this mess is name VLADIMIR PUTIN .
Period.

Really really sick and tired of all this!

Nobody was more disappointing to see him change. But he is either not who he said he was or he indeed has changed.

when you are in Cabinet than when you were at Congress. And his SoS record concerning human right issues, as well as his position on Israel shouldn't make you doubt!

He NEVER said he was to the left of Kuchinich. Even in the 1970s, the reason he was troubling to Nixon is that he knew 100% who he was and he refused to be used by many on the left who wanted to use him.

In fact, he was attacked from both sides - because he insisted on being exactly who he was.

He never played a role, nor changed who he was. Im beggining to be really tired of some posters spreading around the RW manufactured bullshit.

> ...but I do believe no one else will believe ''THE LIE'' this time.

You are more optimistic than I am.

The "vocal supporters" will still carry the day and persuade people to give
the flag-wavers "just one more try to get it right" (yet again).

Russia? Iraq? Syria? Afghanistan?