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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 05:16 PM Jun 2014

Misguided U.S. invasion spawned current crisis in Iraq: analysts

Source: Agence France-Presse

By Agence France-Presse
Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:33 EDT

Washington (AFP) 6/14/2014 7:48:39 AM

The rise of Al-Qaeda-linked militants in Iraq can be traced to America's invasion of the country more than a decade ago, as it left a power vacuum and unleashed sectarian bloodletting, experts said Friday.

With television footage of Sunni extremists sweeping across Iraq this week, critics of former president George W. Bush's decision to invade in 2003 said the onslaught offered yet more proof of the war's disastrous fallout.

Neoconservatives who backed Bush's decision touted the war as a way to build a model for democracy in the Middle East. Instead, it has fueled an explosive Sunni-Shiite divide that is still sending shockwaves through the region, experts said.

For University of Michigan history professor Juan Cole, events in Iraq are "an indictment of the George W. Bush administration, which falsely said it was going into Iraq because of a connection between Al-Qaeda and Baghdad."

"There was none," said Cole, an outspoken opponent of the invasion.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/14/misguided-u-s-invasion-spawned-current-crisis-in-iraq-analysts/

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Misguided U.S. invasion spawned current crisis in Iraq: analysts (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
Spawned, yes, Turbineguy Jun 2014 #1
Stating the obvious... cosmicone Jun 2014 #2
Ya think! Cha Jun 2014 #3
Took an "expert" to figure that out, eh? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #4
"Misguided" = holy mother of lies L0oniX Jun 2014 #5
it ranks right up there with the Bush crime family's 911 story. olddad56 Jun 2014 #24
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2014 #31
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2014 #30
Good grief ! jaysunb Jun 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Raphael Campos Jun 2014 #7
And members of the media allowed it to happen by not doing their jobs. EEO Jun 2014 #8
Duh warrior1 Jun 2014 #9
Things that make you go "DUH!" Harry Monroe Jun 2014 #10
Duhbya. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #16
Gee whiz, talk about a slow news day! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #11
and the sky is blue.. iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #12
water is wet hibbing Jun 2014 #29
"Misguided" means someone's not paying attention. OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #13
You don't say! sakabatou Jun 2014 #14
Well, Duh! longship Jun 2014 #15
I see the "DUH" button has already been pressed. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #17
It will take a Saddam 2.0 to even begin restoring any kind of order Roland99 Jun 2014 #18
It's good to point it out dougolat Jun 2014 #19
Winner of the 2014 lordsummerisle Jun 2014 #20
NS, S. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #21
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #22
Couldn't have seen this one coming.... paleotn Jun 2014 #23
I'll take "Duh" for $500, Alex. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #25
Yup. We broke it. Now we own it. Iraq has come back to bite us in the ass! nt icymist Jun 2014 #26
"misguided" -- I call BULLSHIT delrem Jun 2014 #27
The Iraq war ; Bush’s preposterous true conjecture polynomial Jun 2014 #28
Mi$$ion Accompli$hed blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #32
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
2. Stating the obvious...
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jun 2014

In 2003, I speculated that in the end, the strongest and meanest Sunni general will seize power and the first thing he will do is get WMDs to thwart another US invasion. That day is not so distant.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. Took an "expert" to figure that out, eh?
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jun 2014

Most people here were talking about for the last decade.
And the same thing will happen in Afghanistan....again....

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
6. Good grief !
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

Is there anyone on this planet that doesn't already know this ?

It should be headline news, but too many were culpable in this fiasco.

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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. Gee whiz, talk about a slow news day!
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jun 2014
- Where do they find these geniuses!?!? Have they been trapped under a heavy piece of furniture for the past decade?

K&R

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OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
13. "Misguided" means someone's not paying attention.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

Parenti (1993) noted a reluctance by many scholars to accept that capitalists would collectively organize to pursue self-interest, citing variations of what he had termed innocence theory (somnambulistic, coincidence, incompetence, and stochastic) to explain how the capitalist class acquires material interests. Parenti (2010) suggested it is generally acceptable to believe that the farmer or the factory worker could organize behind a leader to demand higher wages or better working conditions, yet the idea that capitalists could organize to achieve higher profits at the expense of labor is not afforded such consideration.

According to Parenti (2010), the term conspiracy theory can be used to dismiss: “(1) the idea of a conscious design by policy makers; (2) a hidden, but knowing intent; (3) a secret plan; (4) a secret interest.”

Parenti, M. (1993). Conspiracy and class power. Retrieved from TUC Radio Michael Parenti archive: http://www.tucradio.org/parenti.html

Parenti, M. (2010). Ideology and conspiracy. Retrieved from TUC Radio Michael Parenti archive: http://www.tucradio.org/parenti.html

dougolat

(716 posts)
19. It's good to point it out
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

Pre-invasion, Sunni-Shiite tensions were low, mixed neighborhoods existed in many cities, and mixed marriages weren't a great rarity, I gather.
There were plenty of provocations early on, clear up to the 2006 bombing of the Golden Mosque, which sealed the ruination of Iraq.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
23. Couldn't have seen this one coming....
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014

...nope, nada, no way.

I'm only surprised it took this long to go to hell in a hand basket.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
27. "misguided" -- I call BULLSHIT
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jun 2014

There is ample evidence that PNAC intended an invasion, got the politicians and military in place to do it, then did it. Regardless of the strongest pushback of worldwide populations ever recorded. EVERYONE knew what was going on. When the US SOS stood up before the UN and lied to the world, EVERYONE knew he was lying. Then the USA did it. The USA did it, and all that came with it.

But now the USA is "looking forward", claiming that the past was somehow a "mistake" and "misguided", and that all is somehow better. Which is bullshit as well. The USA is still doing the same things it did under *, and as it did in the admins that preceded those last two. Nothing "misguided" about it. There are still PNACers pulling the strings of war and death.

polynomial

(750 posts)
28. The Iraq war ; Bush’s preposterous true conjecture
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jun 2014

The Iraq war ; Bush’s preposterous true conjecture was a fraudulent dichotomy.

A decision to go to war completely in material lies is the real truth.

Weapons of mass destruction, and the Al Qaeda connection to Iraq described by the Bush administration was intentionally developed as a fabricated lie to America and the world for a war.

The Constitution of Iraq which is a based religion of the Quran, with difference to American Constitution in which separation of religion and state is the theme of the American Constitution is a monumental contradiction to the war to instill Democracy as a fundamental reason.

With that said Bush partnering with the Arab Bin Laden family created this gap of religious political insanity in Iraq. Premeditated and planned to profiteer via the military industrial business media and banking community. Too big to fail as long as whistle blowers like Snowden are condemned.

The Brush family broke it and they own it. The Bush family and the GOP forever are scrambling to rewrite history through the mainstream media.

The intellectual common sense to solve the issues of this Iraq war paradox which is really a preposterous profiteering scheme hatched by the Bush GOP crime syndicate.

It is partnered with the Bin Laden Arabs and mainstream media, where there is no recourse but to hand these political-business people to the International Community in an open legal forum to indict and condemn them in recorded history. Other-wise Osama Bin Laden has won.

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