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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 09:44 PM Jun 2014

Obama order forces Philly rail workers back on job

Source: Houston Chronicle

http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Strike-forces-Philly-commuters-to-find-new-ride-5552125.php

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — President Barack Obama on Saturday forced union workers in Philadelphia's commuter rail strike to return to the job, granting Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett's request to create a presidential emergency board to mediate the contract dispute.

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Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Strike-forces-Philly-commuters-to-find-new-ride-5552125.php

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Obama order forces Philly rail workers back on job (Original Post) LiberalElite Jun 2014 OP
Wow! yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #1
Relax folks. The title is misleading. The Union wanted this because they needed to force mediation newthinking Jun 2014 #25
The Republican Governor asked for this. former9thward Jun 2014 #35
THE UNION WANTS THIS. Read the article. drm604 Jun 2014 #37
Yes. The 'Ooh, see! Evil, gotcha!' level is frustrating. Thanks. freshwest Jun 2014 #55
Yeah, but it's not for no reason. :-/ n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #60
He put on those comfortable shoes and DJ13 Jun 2014 #2
Took the words out of my mouth RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #5
Yes he fired all the workers just like Reagan and PATCO bluestateguy Jun 2014 #10
The President of the Union agrees with President Obama's action.... msanthrope Jun 2014 #39
No, he elleng Jun 2014 #9
Pres O worked with the Unions but alas a few will attack. Iliyah Jun 2014 #29
Not much else going on, I guess. elleng Jun 2014 #30
WTF! Who the fuck did I vote for? L0oniX Jun 2014 #3
The President of the union says this is what they wanted krawhitham Jun 2014 #16
you voted for President of the United States who agrees with the president of the union. msanthrope Jun 2014 #40
Forcing people to work is so... L0oniX Jun 2014 #50
IBEW wants to work after nearly 5 years with no K. The union wanted PBO msanthrope Jun 2014 #56
Makes sense to me. edgineered Jun 2014 #4
Public transit workers are a special case. JEFF9K Jun 2014 #6
Yes, THANK YOU! elleng Jun 2014 #7
Runs contrary to the narrative in several recent transit strikes RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #8
The union wanted the President to.do this. Read the whole article. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #47
Union busting is ok. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #11
This is NOT union busting, elleng Jun 2014 #14
Thank you. drm604 Jun 2014 #20
Its about settling a 5yr contract dispute...with mediation. Historic NY Jun 2014 #17
YES, THANK YOU! elleng Jun 2014 #26
You know what's not okay? Blaming a Democratic President for union busting msanthrope Jun 2014 #57
I don't know what to say........ a kennedy Jun 2014 #12
Read the part where the Union president agrees with this......nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #41
PATCO madfloridian Jun 2014 #13
NOT PATCO. elleng Jun 2014 #15
You mean the part where the Union president agrees with President Obama???? msanthrope Jun 2014 #42
It better be with a good contract. Fearless Jun 2014 #18
Uh Oh JohnnyRingo Jun 2014 #19
No one is getting fired. drm604 Jun 2014 #22
Yeah, after reading the article... JohnnyRingo Jun 2014 #27
Maybe you and others here should try reading the article then first john cstanleytech Jun 2014 #23
You're right, that's what I did. JohnnyRingo Jun 2014 #28
Then strike its yours and others rights. Iliyah Jun 2014 #31
Will refrain from commenting senseandsensibility Jun 2014 #21
Why are you disgusted? IronGate Jun 2014 #33
original AP link + Philly area source alp227 Jun 2014 #24
Teacher's Unions here in Los Angeles as well as others are being contested Iliyah Jun 2014 #32
Florida teachers lost that battle in 2011. madfloridian Jun 2014 #34
Your posts on this thread have been illuminating. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #59
If you'd read the article, you'd realize the union wanted this. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #43
Obama has said several times before, that Pres. Ronald Reagan was a role model for him. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #36
Reading the article would have revealed that the President did what the union wanted. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #44
Oh FFS BumRushDaShow Jun 2014 #38
ODS on steroids. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #45
For real. :-\ nt BumRushDaShow Jun 2014 #46
This thread is great flypaper, though. Note the experts on labor that have msanthrope Jun 2014 #48
For those of us who live in Philly BumRushDaShow Jun 2014 #49
Well...now you understand why when any of those same posters post about labor, msanthrope Jun 2014 #58
That's why I didn't click on this fickle freedumb flypaper sooner. freshwest Jun 2014 #54
To bad they don't now how the real world functions..or at the Historic NY Jun 2014 #52
Thanks. To you and the other debunkers: freshwest Jun 2014 #61
Good for Obama for this PRO-UNION move. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #51
Looks like an awful lot of people don't understand the Railway Labor Act. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #53
Something is happening polynomial Jun 2014 #62

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
25. Relax folks. The title is misleading. The Union wanted this because they needed to force mediation
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jun 2014

At first my jaw was open too. But it not what it reads like.

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
35. The Republican Governor asked for this.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jun 2014

Not the union. So are you saying the R governor is on the union side? People here try to whitewash so many things.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
37. THE UNION WANTS THIS. Read the article.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:22 AM
Jun 2014

This will force mediation. Striking is still a tool that can be used in the future.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-intervenes-philadelphia-rail-strike-article-1.1830233

Terry Gallagher, president and local chairman of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, said the presidential intervention was “what we were waiting for.”

“We have been five years without an agreement, trying to get to this point and we’re happy we’re here now,” he said. Gallagher said employees will be notified to report to their next scheduled shifts.
As to why Corbett intervened, I can't say. My guess is that he got a lot of pressure from businesses in Philly.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
5. Took the words out of my mouth
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014


Sigh. Can't say he didn't warn us:



"But perhaps even more important than any single accomplishment was the sense of confidence and optimism President Reagan never failed to communicate to the American people. It was a spirit that transcended the most heated political arguments, and one that called each of us to believe that tomorrow will be better than today. At a time when our nation was going through an extremely difficult period, with economic hardship at home and very real threats beyond our borders, it was this positive outlook, this sense of pride, that the American people needed more than anything.

"When the future looked darkest and the way ahead seemed uncertain, President Reagan understood both the hardships we faced and the hopes we held for the future. He understood that it is always "Morning in America." That was his gift, and we remain forever grateful." -- Barack Obama


I hope he had a little Reagan-like twinkle in his eye when he was breaking the strike.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
9. No, he
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jun 2014

created a presidential emergency board to mediate the contract dispute, which is a very common way for railroad labor disputes to be handled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
16. The President of the union says this is what they wanted
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jun 2014
Terry Gallagher, president and local chairman of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, said the presidential intervention was "what we were waiting for."

"We have been five years without an agreement, trying to get to this point and we're happy we're here now," he said. Gallagher said employees will be notified to report to their next scheduled shifts.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
40. you voted for President of the United States who agrees with the president of the union.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jun 2014

You really should have read the link.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
56. IBEW wants to work after nearly 5 years with no K. The union wanted PBO
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

to do what he did.

Read the article.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
4. Makes sense to me.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jun 2014

I ALWAYS register and vote in the (R) primaries. Of course I also ALWAYS come back home. So, in all, who am I to say that PBO isn't just pretending to be on the wrong side of the fence?

edit: sarcasm!!

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
6. Public transit workers are a special case.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014

The working poor depend on them to not strike. Otherwise the working poor become the unworking poor.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
7. Yes, THANK YOU!
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jun 2014

And it is VERY common for presidents to invoke this process, send the matters to arbitration after parties have been unable to resolve them.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
8. Runs contrary to the narrative in several recent transit strikes
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

The 2005 New York City transit strike, for example:

According to a NY1 news poll, 41% of New Yorkers thought both the MTA and the Transport Workers Union were to blame for the strike. About 27% solely faulted the MTA, while 25% blamed the union for the walkout. 54% of New Yorkers thought what the union wanted was fair compared to 36% who did not. But race was also shown to play into this result: 38% of white New Yorkers thought the TWU's demands were fair, while nearly three-quarters of both African-Americans and Latinos agreed with the TWU's proposals. Three times as many white New Yorkers said the union is more to blame for the strike than did African-American New Yorkers.


I've always admired New Yorkers for understanding that strikes are fundamentally about fair treatment for all workers. Reagan understood this, too. That's why he busted the air traffic controllers union.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
14. This is NOT union busting,
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jun 2014

this is using a formal legal process to help the parties to a significant public dispute arrive at an agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act

drm604

(16,230 posts)
20. Thank you.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jun 2014

I ride the Philly regional rail to work every day. Fortunately, right where I live there is alternative though slightly less convenient public transit that I could use, the Norristown High Speed Line with a transfer to the subway at 69th street (the NHSL and subways are a different union from the regional rail). It would be a nightmare because of the crowding from all of the extra people, but I could commute. I also have the option of working from home, although I don't think my employer would like me to do so for an extended period. (I could drive, but I don't want to even think of that nightmare with all of the 10s of thousands of extra people on the highway.)

I only say all that as a disclaimer, that I personally would be inconvenienced but that's all it would be for me and I could put up with it if necessary. However, there are other workers in other areas outside of the city that wouldn't have the NHSL as an alternative. Some of those could drive (adding to the congestion) but those that can't could be out of luck. And few of the lower wage workers have the option of working from home.

The point being that if we care about workers then... we should care about workers. Not just some, but all. Mediation is what's needed here.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
57. You know what's not okay? Blaming a Democratic President for union busting
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jun 2014

when it's not true.

Read the article.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
42. You mean the part where the Union president agrees with President Obama????
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:11 AM
Jun 2014

Read the whole article especially the part where the Union wanted this to go to mediation.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
19. Uh Oh
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:35 PM
Jun 2014

I've been an ardent supporter, even defending him against the NSA crowd of concern, but I'm a lifelong union member having retired under the UAW. I won't take a Reagan position on labor well.

I take a lot of namby pamby shit from democrats that I don't like, but I expect them to always be the party for organized labor. It's the least they can do.

Nobody better get fired or we'll send some goons around. (LOL)

drm604

(16,230 posts)
22. No one is getting fired.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jun 2014

This is mediation, not union busting.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-intervenes-philadelphia-rail-strike-article-1.1830233

Terry Gallagher, president and local chairman of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, said the presidential intervention was “what we were waiting for.”

“We have been five years without an agreement, trying to get to this point and we’re happy we’re here now,” he said. Gallagher said employees will be notified to report to their next scheduled shifts.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
27. Yeah, after reading the article...
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jun 2014

...I see that the company refused to negotiate. Sometimes a move like this will prompt them back to the table, or at least now they'll have to explain to the president why they think they don't have to. The local can return to work on the condition negotiations resume and still hold the walkout in reserve. It's important to the union that the company knows the workers are united and will walk together. That's a big chip at the bargaining table.

Nobody wants to strike, but it's an important arrow in the quiver, but actually, I enjoyed a great strike back in the eighties. We walked off on a Thursday night and the company inked a deal on Sunday. I got to get high and drink beer around a burn barrel that Saturday night with an inspiring feeling of brotherhood. I think it was a warm night in early September. (hahaha) I still have the sign on the side of the refrigerator

cstanleytech

(26,284 posts)
23. Maybe you and others here should try reading the article then first john
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jun 2014

as it clearly explains the head of the union wanted the president to get involved.

"Terry Gallagher, president and local chairman of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, said the presidential intervention was "what we were waiting for."

"We have been five years without an agreement, trying to get to this point and we're happy we're here now," he said. Gallagher said employees will be notified to report to their next scheduled shifts."

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
28. You're right, that's what I did.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jun 2014

You can read my contrite reply above after I read the piece.
At least I got to threaten the deployment of union goons. It's been years.

senseandsensibility

(17,009 posts)
21. Will refrain from commenting
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sun Jun 15, 2014, 10:02 AM - Edit history (1)

after learning more about this. I hope it works out for the workers.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
33. Why are you disgusted?
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:13 AM
Jun 2014

This is exactly what the Union wanted. Now it goes to mediation.
Please read the article before commenting next time.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
32. Teacher's Unions here in Los Angeles as well as others are being contested
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jun 2014

with lawsuits and the other side appears to be winning. Kill worker's voices, corporations wins. First the corporations must divide which apparently they are doing.

Lets try and stand together. Go vote.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. Florida teachers lost that battle in 2011.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:21 AM
Jun 2014

And Arne cheered the CA decision this week. An ed secretary that doesn't stand with public school teachers. Imagine that.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
38. Oh FFS
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jun 2014

The usual bullshit from the usual suspects.

These unions have been working with federal mediators for the past 4 years and management has refused to budge and agree to binding arbitration. By striking, BLET & IBEU forced Septa's hand prompting Corbutt's begging for Presidential intervention, which will hopefully FINALLY lead to Septa management having no choice but to accept binding arbitration to settle.

The knee-jerk anti-Obama faux liberals on DU are tiresome, since they swarm around waiting to shoot first (without reading), leading to purported "criticism" that is nothing more than nonsensical verbal vomit.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
48. This thread is great flypaper, though. Note the experts on labor that have
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jun 2014

shown their erudite commentary without reading the article.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
49. For those of us who live in Philly
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 09:05 AM
Jun 2014

and have been following this for some time, the out from left field nonsense about "PATCO" and "walking shoes" and God forbid, Arne Duncan, just underscores not only the lack of critical thinking, but the lack of any thinking at all in an attempt to continue to promote a ridiculous nefarious agenda.

As a on-topic side note - the fact that after decades, a Transportation funding bill was signed into law in PA that FINALLY provided Septa with dedicated funding from the state (supplementing the tens of millions provided by the city & any from the feds + the amount from fares), meant that the whole negotiating environment changed. Yet Septa management glossed over this. So this was the perfect strategic move to force the issue and underscore that "economic issues" could no longer be used as an excuse to screw the workers.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
58. Well...now you understand why when any of those same posters post about labor,
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

their posts should be scrutinized, and not given credence until then.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
52. To bad they don't now how the real world functions..or at the
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jun 2014

very least the history of labor managment.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
61. Thanks. To you and the other debunkers:
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jun 2014


What a relief to read your responses here in the middle of another sadly predictable pile on.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
51. Good for Obama for this PRO-UNION move.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

This is exactly what the unions were asking for.

Terry Gallagher, president and local chairman of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, said the presidential intervention was "what we were waiting for."

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
53. Looks like an awful lot of people don't understand the Railway Labor Act.
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

So of course it's all "OMG, Obama screwed the union!" Except that he didn't. This is what the union wanted because it forces mediation. Labor disputes under the RLA are not handled the same as the way as most other ones. There are specific procedural requirements, such as mediation, that have to be satisfied; the union can't strike unless mediation fails.

Read the article before jerking your knees, please.

polynomial

(750 posts)
62. Something is happening
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jun 2014

Something is happening

The Federal Railroad Administration, The FRA is investigating the Chicago Metra transit line which is operated by the Union Pacific Railroad, the east west lines that go to the western suburbs are under investigation. The news the other day said it will be a forty five day investigation.

More, over what should be interesting is an OSHA investigation also at the same Chicago Service Unit is being charged in falsifying safety briefing documentation and allegations in ditching injury report.

The Harriman culture is alive and well, the famous Union Pacific railroad financier once funded the Nazi party the same time with Bush working for them, do a wiki, in the thirties. So it’s no surprise these railroad management teams run the crews like a Texas cattle drive.

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