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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:06 AM Jun 2014

Kerry: U.S. drone strikes 'may well be' option in Iraq

Source: Washington Post

Secretary of State John F. Kerry said U.S. drone strikes “may well be” an option to help stop the insurgents’ advances in Iraq.

In an interview with Yahoo! News, Kerry said the radical Islamist fighters sweeping through northern Iraq post “an existential challenge” to the country and threaten the stability of the region. He said President Obama was thoroughly considering “every option that is available,” including drone strikes, and he stressed that “we are deeply committed to the integrity of Iraq as a country.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/residents-of-northern-iraqi-town-flee-as-insurgent-rampage-continues/2014/06/16/d3fcb944-dde1-483c-b4a4-a08ab1ff24f1_story.html

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Kerry: U.S. drone strikes 'may well be' option in Iraq (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
LISTEN...YOU CAN HEAR THE SWORD TIPS BEING DRAWN...OH NO drynberg Jun 2014 #1
Yeah, that totally worked in Libya. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #2
Link to the interview (note it is in several parts) karynnj Jun 2014 #5
One can imagine a Federal Iraq, with Shia, Sunni & Kurd Ghost Dog Jun 2014 #7
Iraq FUBAR creator Billy Budd Jun 2014 #3
This way no one gets their hands dirty... louielouie Jun 2014 #4
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #6
If we go in with drones, then we will be totally tied to Maliki's intransigence amandabeech Jun 2014 #8
The war drums are beating loudly, bands playing crowds braying girls cheering as they marched off warrant46 Jun 2014 #11
I doubt that anyone making decisions (except maybe Kerry) knows amandabeech Jun 2014 #12
Kerry has sold out warrant46 Jun 2014 #13
I remember that picture and the time that Kerry had a spine. amandabeech Jun 2014 #14
Me also and there's nothing we can do warrant46 Jun 2014 #15
I thought that I was doing something by voting for Obama over amandabeech Jun 2014 #16
No its becasue before I retired I was a prosecutor warrant46 Jun 2014 #17
I did corporate and securites at smaller places for some time. amandabeech Jun 2014 #18
I was expecting that unavoidable attacks following every " Kerry" -entilted tread..... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #20
And where did you hear that ? warrant46 Jun 2014 #22
You might want to actually listen to the interview karynnj Jun 2014 #21
I think the only option... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #9
Disgraceful blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #10
says the most anti war policy president in history Doctor_J Jun 2014 #19

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. Yeah, that totally worked in Libya.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

I guess we can just play whack-a-failed-state for the next decade or two.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
5. Link to the interview (note it is in several parts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:50 PM
Jun 2014
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/katie-couric--john-kerry-interview-213218299.html

Both the question of Iran and drones were asked - and in both cases, his answers were very cautious. The Katie Couic interview is good with serious questions and answers - the problem is a media that seems to want to think in a series of twitter messages 140 characters each. This leads to a detailed interview being dumbed down to - "may use drones" and "open to working with Iran". Some may say that statesmen should consider the sound bites, but this issue is too complex to be intelligently summarized in short sentence segments.

As to the drones, the context is that we absolutely do not want to commit American troops, but we can't ignore the massacres that have taken place. Here, he did not say we WOULD use drones - he simply says we could find there are times that they could be used. President Obama has set that tone - no troops, but other things are on the table.

The number one thing he is speaking of is the need for Iraq to reform to serve the entire population - not just one sectarian piece. This is a very old position for Kerry - going back to 2004. In 2006, when Kerry wrote Kerry/Feingold with Feingold, a major piece was a regional conference to help Iraq determine how it could form a government that would meet the needs of ALL of its people. Senator Warner added that piece to the defense bill passed in 2006. The next year, Biden got a bill which called for the same thing with an added focus on the Iraqis drqwing the lines of possible partitions to create pieces that were relatively homogeneous. Both of these resolutions were ignored by Bush -- and there was no effort to have such a conference even under Obama.

At this point, we have less influence, but it may be that Iraq needs such a conference - even if it includes just leaders of the various areas. It does seem that the Sunnis and Kurds have been given very little power.

In the case of involving Iran - it is clear that Iran has not even suggested what they would do. His answer is that they would welcome anything constructive. Taken in connection with his words on the needed reform -- I would think he is pretty skeptical about what Iran could do - as they are aligned with the Shites, who clearly have almost all the power. It is hard to imagine them pushing Al Maliki to give more power to the Sunnis and Kurds. However, saying no, before they even say what they want to do would be pretty bad diplomacy - and one might question whether it is even our decision whether Iran gets involved.
This is in contrast to a John McCain answer that boils down to "No, they are evil" or a Lindsey Graham answer that supports Iran backing the Shite government in Iraq - ignoring that the Sunnis have a real concern that they have no representation.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
7. One can imagine a Federal Iraq, with Shia, Sunni & Kurd
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

highly-autonomous Regions or even Nations sharing the country's oil- and other wealth somehow equitably.

Or one can imagine three independent Sovereign States, which could even broaden to rope in neighboring Syria, Turkey, Iran, Saudi...

Why should early twentieth-century ex-colonial lines on the then map still need to be held sacred today?

 

louielouie

(42 posts)
4. This way no one gets their hands dirty...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jun 2014

...not even the guy with the joystick. But the results are still the same.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
8. If we go in with drones, then we will be totally tied to Maliki's intransigence
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jun 2014

with respect to every group in Iraq except the Shia.

That works really well with our policy of helping "moderate" Sunnis fighting the Alawite and Shia government in Syria led by Assad.

Getting involved in the centuries-old Sunni-Shia conflict in the Middle East does us no good with either group, and is likely to convince them to unite to come after us.

Obama should resist getting involved. There is no way for him or this country or the Dem party to win anything anywhere with intervention.



warrant46

(2,205 posts)
11. The war drums are beating loudly, bands playing crowds braying girls cheering as they marched off
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

Petite Chanson des Mutilés
Benjamin Péret

Prête-moi ton bras
pour remplacer ma jambe
Les rats me l'ont mangée
à Verdun
à Verdun.

J'ai mangé beaucoup de rats
mais ils ne m'ont pas rendu ma jambe
c'est pour cela qu'on m'a donné la croix de guerre
et une jambe de bois
et une jambe de bois.

Small song of the mutilated
Benjamin Péret

Lend me your arm
to replace my leg
Rats have eaten me it
in Verdun
in Verdun.

I ate a lot of rats
but they have not made me my leg
that is why they gave me the croix de guerre
and a wooden leg
and a wooden leg.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
12. I doubt that anyone making decisions (except maybe Kerry) knows
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jun 2014

what in the world that poem is about, and that includes the President, who has never appeared to this history major to be much of a student of the subject.

And that's a huge part of the problem.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
13. Kerry has sold out
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jun 2014

I remember when he had a Spine

Here is the CIA redux 1975 soon to be the Baghdad US Embassy

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
14. I remember that picture and the time that Kerry had a spine.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

The President doesn't remember either, and there's no one to clue him in. It certainly won't be Kerry.

I hope that that trillion dollar marvel called the US embassy in Baghdad at least has two or three reinforced heliports on the top of it. They're going to need them.

This just makes me so sick.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
16. I thought that I was doing something by voting for Obama over
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary, McCain and Rmoney.

But I guess not.

Does that "warrant" in your screen name have the military meaning?

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
17. No its becasue before I retired I was a prosecutor
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jun 2014

And sought a lot of Warrants I was born in 46

In Nam I was a SSGT

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
18. I did corporate and securites at smaller places for some time.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014

Now I do project work between trips to help my elderly Mom in the midwest. I was born in '55.

I figured that you were there. Thanks for going and getting out in one piece. That was one nasty, awful war. I watched it on Walter Chronkite every night with my parents starting when I was 8 or 9. I remember General Westmoreland and the body counts. By the time I was 12 or 13, it seemed like there simply could not be that many men of military age in Vietnam who could be wounded or die and continue the fight. So I went to the 1964 World Book and found out how many people were in Vietnam and did the math. Then I put an anti-LBJ poster on the inside of my jr. high locker. My friends thought that I was crazy, but I thought that they just weren't paying attention. Then we got Nixon. Well, anyway . . .

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
20. I was expecting that unavoidable attacks following every " Kerry" -entilted tread.....
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jun 2014

It's hard to remember that you once hoped he was president.....

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
21. You might want to actually listen to the interview
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jun 2014

The questions asked if he could rule out air strikes or drones - given President Obama's public comments - he could not take things off the table. The key thing he spoke of was that the Iraq government had to reform and share some power with the minorities. Here is a link - http://news.yahoo.com/video/secretary-state-john-kerry-live-170000643.html

One thing both he and Obama say is that the US will not resume a combat role here. That does suggest that he absolutely does remember Vietnam.

This interview is worth watching because it is a very detailed, complex interview on Iraq.

The new media, which now seems to report things as if it were a tweet and they were limited to 140 characters. For instance, the two stories that were taken out of this were: " Not ruling out drones" and "may work with Iran". (On Iran, he answered essentially "if it would be constructive" and leading to the reforms needed in Iraq to represent all the people. This story is a complete misread of what he said -- and all because the top US diplomat, working with Iran on the nuclear weapons issue, did not say something McCain like ruling it out and calling them evil.)

Although this was a great interview, it could be seen as an ambush interview. It was set up as an interview on the Oceans summit that Kerry was heading yesterday and today. Her first question acknowledged that she was here to speak of that, "but first" Iraq .... This led to several detailed questions on Iraq. Only at the very end, does she finally ask a question on the summit - "Did you ever think you should cancel it given all that was going on?" I suspect there are few people who would have acted as professionally as Kerry did here. He had to know that any push back to Couric would have made her look good at his expense.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
19. says the most anti war policy president in history
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

On the upside, most of us giggled at that declaration

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