She can say 'wrong. Plain and simple,' and not 'break faith?'

Could she be more of a calculated slippery reptile than this? She just keeps digging herself into a bigger hole as all liars do. There are much bigger supporters of the military who never voted for war profiteering or renounced their previous support. She is so vile, and it's so disappointing because I really would love to vote for a woman. I would vote for a much less qualified woman than Hillary as long as I knew they were honest, had a good heart and questioned the evils of this world. She is none of that. I'm convinced she's a losing candidate now too which I didn't believe before no matter how much I detested her. Might as well accept Jeb Bush as our next president if we nominate her.

The GOoPers will pick a putrid pathetic Protestant poisonous pants pooper.

Yep. That's why we can't have Hillary. It's so depressing this lesser of two evils crap. Evil is evil. I know one thing for sure...if you want to neutralize hope and change then give people hope but then quickly take it away. It's like teasing on a level with torture.

manipulating us into accepting the "lesser of evils". Some feel good that they at least didnt get McCain/Palin while the lower classes are systematically decimated. "Well it would have been worse if......." At some point it cant get worse.

And no full-time, neoconning war supporters can dilute that for me.

to find someone else. She just can't be honest about anything...She always has an excuse that is worse than the answer she is trying to avoid!

And if she feels threatened during the campaign prepare for more "Sniper Fire" stories that if occur in the general election could FUCK US ALL!!

ever broke faith with the military, their decisions were based on the evidence ie:WMDs, Al Qaeda in Iraq etc. etc. as being entirely too thin.

Thanks for the thread, DonViejo.

HRC continues to represent much that I dislike about U.S. culture and political life. I despise militarism, religiosity, political calculation, class distinction, and social injustice. Clinton keeps coming out for them.

Crazy world she seems to think she lives in, where up is down and war is peace. Something like that.

She's trying to cast her sticking by her IWR vote as a lack of political expediency?

But it does convey both what's going on, and the nausea I feel over it.

A "shooting war" will never be the correct response. Especially when our country was not attacked by the country to which war is being considered.

A "shooting war" will always remain the last option in my book, having watched as family members shed their blood for nothing in Korea, Viet-Nam, and both Gulf wars. Chickenhawk politicians are all too eager to spill the blood of others to make political points and bring attention to themselves. Perhaps those in congress should be put on the front line of any wars to which they commit this country to. That should cut down on war pretty fast.

Cheney Chimpanzee Bush and this guy

I want a leader who says what she thinks is true, not what she thinks the military wants to hear.

I bet that is what most of the people in the military want too.

The military should have its input, but the leader has to read and listen to everything with a skeptical ear, look at the evidence until she figures out the truth and then make her decision.

Apparently, that is not how Hillary works. Apparently, she puts her finger to the wind first to see which direction its blowing and then makes her decision. That is backwards.

Sorry. I want an evidence-based presidency.

If you read Elizabeth Warren's book, A Fighting Chance, you will see how she did the research on what causes people to go bankrupt and only then decided where she stood on the economy and the law of bankruptcy, banks, credit, wages, etc.

I want a president who works from the evidence, not from the need to be liked by the military or Wall Street or this or that mogul.

I want Elizabeth Warren in 2016.

the worse she fucks up.

Because she damn sure is going to need it.

That got f-ed

How is admitting she was wrong in voting for a war that got 4,000 Americans killed "breaking faith" with the military?

Why does she owe "the military" any kind of explanation for an admission?

She is way, way too close to the people who fucked up Iraq to be trusted as C in C. And too prone to make statement like this one.

About a month ago, the neocon who is always wrong, Bill Kristol, made a remark that if nominated, she would select Gen. Petraeus as a VP running mate. Of course, this statement was widely ridiculed here on DU.

I know the guy is always wrong, but I'm not too sure this time. She seems desperate to prove herself to the brass.

Yuck.

Why waste their lives in a questionable conflict?

Some smart people who read the Iraq War Resolution said that you could not only drive a tank or a Mack truck through it, but the entire US Navy could have sailed each carrier group through the thing simultaneously with plenty of ocean to spare. There was plenty of commentary around at the time to just that effect. That d*(&^%*d piece of legislation let shrub, darth and the whole crew do whatever they d*^&*&(*d well pleased, no questions asked.

What Clinton did was what a whole lot of Dem Senators with Presidential ambitions did at the time.

They weren't thinking about dead soldiers but about live voters.

If she'd just tell the truth and apologize we'd all be better off.

If she had opposed the war, the morale of the troops would have been damaged, which would have put them in more danger.

This argument assumes that the troops would give a flying f*** what Hillary Clinton had to say about the war.

but during both rotations of sea duty then, we were spoon fed only what we were allowed to swallow.

edit: as you suggest, no one cares, even if they do 'happen' to hear.

and I'm disgusted. But hey, let her talk, maybe she'll bury herself.

to ensure the primaries are NOT the Coronatiuon some people want them to be.

Whoever is going to oppose the GOP machine had better be wiling to walk barefoot on broken glass. I fully intend to be the one spreading the shards.

What WE get put through when we pick the wrong person. The next president cannot be a 'politician.'

At least that's what I take you to be saying.

One more reason to hope for anyone else.

Just talk about something else. Trust me. I know from experience.

Is breaking faith with the military.

It boggles the mind.

"I did it because I am too noble. I can't help it, it's just the way I am!"

Hillary's is not nearly as bad as Newt's "I cheated on my wife because I loved my country so much..."

necessary to be a viable Presidential candidate later on. It's not that you were alone, Senators Biden & Kerry did exactly the same thing and, had President Obama been a US Senator instead of an Illinois State Senator at the time, he would have joined you.

You break faith when you bullshit with what you think I want to hear rather than what you really believe. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have a Senate vote at the time.

actually she hasn't been making much sense for a long while now but this twisty turny specialty she uses lately is at least entertaining.

what a doofus! she's in way over her head and will never survive a campaign.

Hillary is toast.

like a bunch of Americans getting killed or taken hostage with no positive results, she'll find a way to wiggle out of it again.

And so will a lot of other Dems.

She has been a US Senator, a Secretary of State, and now she is a millionaire. She wants to culminate this impressive career by being the first woman President. She will not be denied this achievement.

In June of 2016, who thought that Barack Obama would become president? Not many.

In June of 2000, who thought that Bill Clinton would become president in 2002? Not many.

Hillary will do everything that she possibly can to make it to the Oval Office herself, but it simply is too soon to tell whether she will be successful. National and world events are simply moving too quickly to really predict what will happen, in my opinion.

And welcome to DU! Fasten your seat belt!

her overcome adversity and succeed after the life draining, morally crushing and impoverished lifestyle of her previous stay at the White House.

Can't recall exactly who her financial adviser is now, but that firm must be good considering she is willing to move back into the tenement from which she escaped.

Hillary has blood on her hands for that vote.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If this is the kind of campaign she's gonna run, she's not as inevitable as everyone seems to think she is.

Hillary Hillary Hillary.

If both Barack Obama and Hillary were to break left, they would get support. Yes, all the seinsible people would attack, especially the effective wing of the GOP, aka Centrist Democrats.

But the truth is, both of them really believe that they can make a sensible center when the Rich are doing their best to ensure all thought in this country tilts to the right.

The fact is, if either Hillary or Obama were liberals , they could have played that card, they are not, and they will not, and of course, it sure helps that they are surrounded by the same sort of centrist talking heads that believe the cure for conservatism is just a slightly less toxic conservatism.

Of course, this all distracts from 2014, which, as we should have learned, is more important than 2016. As long as the legislative branch is hijacked, and the judical as well, the Oval Office will not mean anything.

Thousands dead in an unjustified war and she what??? "Doesn't want to break faith with the military?"

You already did that, Hillary, when you voted for war when every thinking person knew it was trumped up bullshit from the criminal, traitorous Bush oil cabal.

so she went ahead and voted for a resolution that led to tens of thousands of deaths. God damn, that just sounds pathetic.

Invading Iraq to begin with was breaking faith with the military. Just saying...