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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:05 PM Jun 2014

U.S. Health Care System Ranks Lowest in International Survey

Source: CBS News

U.S. health care system ranks lowest in international survey

JESSICA FIRGER /CBS NEWS
Jun 16, 2014 3:32 PM EDT

The U.S. spends more money on health care compared with other industrialized countries, but Americans still get the least bang for their buck -- and many still don't have access to care -- according to a report just published by the Commonwealth Fund. The report from the private health care research foundation examined data on expenditures, delivery and access to health care services among 11 industrialized countries: Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the U.K. and the U.S.

Overall, the U.K. and Switzerland were rated highest for factors that included quality, access, efficiency and equity of health care. The U.S., Canada and France overall ranked lowest. The U.S. was found to perform worst in areas concerning cost of care, efficiency, equity and overall health of its citizens, even though health care expenditures were highest per capita compared with the other 10 countries in the report.

In 2011, the U.S. spent $8,508 per capita in health care expenditures, compared with $3,405 per capita in the U.K., which was the country with the highest ranked health care system overall.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-health-care-system-ranks-lowest-in-international-survey/

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U.S. Health Care System Ranks Lowest in International Survey (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2014 OP
this is a little surprising given all the du victory laps declaring the aca Doctor_J Jun 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jun 2014 #2
Yup. n/t progressoid Jun 2014 #12
It All Depends on the Criteria Used Leith Jun 2014 #3
We Americans are ripped off massively by the 'for profit' health care industry. Sunlei Jun 2014 #15
According to Wiki: DeSwiss Jun 2014 #4
well, the insurance lobby interact with the white house and congress Doctor_J Jun 2014 #5
when the front line of the direct patient care staff only makes minimum wage what do you expect? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #6
National public service vs. a consumer product is not a fair comparison. 1000words Jun 2014 #7
The difference is those others have health care systems, we have an INSURANCE system. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #8
Exactly. The primary purpose of our "system" is profits. At that we are the best Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13
I'm surprised it ranked that high. n/t Psephos Jun 2014 #9
Oh, the joys of living in a nation in which major public policy is mostly shaped to satisfy indepat Jun 2014 #10
Add South Korea's as well davidpdx Jun 2014 #11
"and many still don't have access to care" savalez Jun 2014 #14
Canada had for profit prisons declared Unconstitutional. We should do the same for our health care Sunlei Jun 2014 #16
Every time my mother has been admitted to the hospital aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #17
But I thought Obama Cares bigwillq Jun 2014 #18
I knew it. Quantess Jun 2014 #19
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #20
Democratic candidates should be utilizing this to win, being honest to use the fact the gains Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #21
Interesting and informative aceofblades Jun 2014 #22
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
1. this is a little surprising given all the du victory laps declaring the aca
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

a combination of social security, Medicare, and the voting rights act all rolled into one.

Rec

Response to Doctor_J (Reply #1)

Leith

(7,809 posts)
3. It All Depends on the Criteria Used
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jun 2014

Different criteria give vastly different outcomes:

American Public Health Association

WHO

These reports are from different years, but it's unlikely that France could be the world's best in 2000 and 3rd worst in the most recent survey.

The only consistency in all of them in that the US is dead last.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. We Americans are ripped off massively by the 'for profit' health care industry.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jun 2014

IMO, we could bring the for profit ripoff 'health care' system to the Supreme Court and have it declared unconstitutional. We need to get rid of the profit-loving middlemen.

Any big Legal groups, care to give this a try?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
4. According to Wiki:
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jun 2014
''A system is a set of interacting or interdependent components forming an integrated whole or a set of elements.....''

- I don't even think we technically have a healthcare system.

K&R
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. well, the insurance lobby interact with the white house and congress
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jun 2014

to extort three trillion dollars from working people while parcelling out the world's worst healthcare to most of us (40 million do without) and their propaganda arm convinces former dems that it's great. Sounds like a well oiled machine to me.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
6. when the front line of the direct patient care staff only makes minimum wage what do you expect?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014

I exaggerate but, not by much. A brand new CNA in my area starts at $8.50/hour and is only a dime per year of experience.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
7. National public service vs. a consumer product is not a fair comparison.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

As mandated health insurance programs go, I'm sure we're the best out there.

U.S.A. ... U.S.A. ... U.S.A.!!!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
8. The difference is those others have health care systems, we have an INSURANCE system.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jun 2014

Insurance is not health care, it is a gatekeeper designed to deny healthcare to maximize profits. Our "system" uses insurance to reduce actual health care received, so if you think about it, when they measure health care outcomes ours coming last is an excellent metric to prove our system is the best at what it does!

If we had a health care system instead, with the money we spend we would likely have the best. Perhaps someday we will have politicians working on health care rather than an insurance racket devised by the Heritage Foundation to make people rich.

A fella' can dream can't he?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. Exactly. The primary purpose of our "system" is profits. At that we are the best
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

health care is way down the list of objectives of our system, so comparing it to countries where care is the main goal is unfair.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
10. Oh, the joys of living in a nation in which major public policy is mostly shaped to satisfy
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jun 2014

the ideology, agenda, and whims of right-wing interests, ala Koch. Another decade or two of having the gipper's vision of America crammed down the throats of the masses will leave a mostly wrecked infrastructure and society imo.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. Canada had for profit prisons declared Unconstitutional. We should do the same for our health care
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jun 2014

'for profit' health care system & 'for profit' prisons, and 'for profit' schools.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. Every time my mother has been admitted to the hospital
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

and unfortunately it's been too many times lately, the first thing the nurses and CNAs do when she gets assigned a room, before they even take her vital signs, is to examine and photograph any bruises, bedsores, or other blemishes on her body. They've freely admitted to me that this is urgent hospital policy, that the number one priority is to prevent legal liability. The hospital doesn't want to be sued with claims the hospital stay was responsible. They won't let my mother get out of bed to use the commode because they're afraid of legal liability if she falls, although immobility is unhealthy. They put her on a catheter even knowing that this causes urinary tract infections because they are short-handed at all times in today's hospital setting and can't afford the time to clean her several times a day.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. Democratic candidates should be utilizing this to win, being honest to use the fact the gains
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jun 2014

we have made are not sufficient enough AND the Republicans would prefer to take this
away from you.

aceofblades

(73 posts)
22. Interesting and informative
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

The study mentions that it used, as sources of information, various studies and survey's from 2011-2013(apparently the study occurs every 4 years) so I think we will know more going forward as to whether, or to what degree, there are changes after most parts of the ACA are in effect. (many signups, and plan activations occurred in 2014). The data will tell the story (what ever it is).
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