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Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:13 AM Jun 2014

Khamenei says Iran strongly opposes US intervention in Iraq

Source: RTE

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei expressed strong opposition to US intervention in Iraq, saying Iraqis themselves were able to bring an end to the violence there, the official IRNA news agency reported.

Ayatollah Khamenei, who has the last word on all matters of state, added in remarks to judiciary officials that Washington aimed to keep Iraq under its control and place its own "Yes Men" in power.

The conflict there was not sectarian, but was really between those who wanted Iraq in the US camp and those who sought Iraq's independence, IRNA reported.

Meanwhile Sunni insurgents led by al Qaeda splinter group the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), also known as ISIL, captured three towns in Iraq's western Anbar province, witnesses and security sources said.

A military intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said army troops withdrew from Rawa, Ana and Rutba this morning and ISIS moved quickly to completely control these towns.

Read more: http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0622/625603-iraq/

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Khamenei says Iran strongly opposes US intervention in Iraq (Original Post) Cooley Hurd Jun 2014 OP
Of course--THEY want to intervene, themselves! They've always had designs on huge swaths of Iraq. MADem Jun 2014 #1
There's no good solution there. ^ So true. And the USA made it so much worse. loudsue Jun 2014 #3
Yep. The Halliburton Kids had to make their billions! MADem Jun 2014 #4
This is why the U.S. left. Because Iran, speaking though the Iraqi leadership, told us to go. n/t Loudly Jun 2014 #2
No, not at all. We left because the Iraqi leadership wouldn't agree to a SOFA agreement with USA. MADem Jun 2014 #5
Agree that was the pretext. But it resulted from complete Iranian influence. Loudly Jun 2014 #6
SOFA is NOT a pretext. We don't stay without it. nt MADem Jun 2014 #7
Yeah. Why should the locals get to judge our soldiers for killing them? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #9
I am not going to get into a dramatic big bad pointless DU argument about the MADem Jun 2014 #10
That's why I was pleased the Iraqis refused to sign off on it. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #19
You may be pleased, but I'll bet they're regretting the hell out of it. Oh well--too late now! MADem Jun 2014 #20
They wanted Americans(both soldiers and mecenaries) prosecuted for obvious war crimes Ash_F Jun 2014 #11
Look, no SOFA, no forces. No "framing" involved. MADem Jun 2014 #12
Don't misrepresent the dispute and not expect a reaction from other posters Ash_F Jun 2014 #17
I'm not misrepresenting anything. MADem Jun 2014 #21
Nobody fell for it. Nice try though. /nt Ash_F Jun 2014 #22
Fell for what? MADem Jun 2014 #24
You said 'sharia law' like the problem was Americans drinking or something Ash_F Jun 2014 #25
No I didn't --you made "assumptions," as you always do when you try to pick one of your little MADem Jun 2014 #26
Don't take it personally. Ash_F Jun 2014 #27
So glad to hear that he finally weighed in on this... Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #8
It's a bellwether... Cooley Hurd Jun 2014 #13
One thing we learned after 9/11 was that the government and the Iranian people are not the same Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #15
VERY true! Cooley Hurd Jun 2014 #16
Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #18
I've always known this. Persians are enormously diverse. MADem Jun 2014 #23
Between those who want Iraq in the US "camp" and those who want independence? Igel Jun 2014 #14

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Of course--THEY want to intervene, themselves! They've always had designs on huge swaths of Iraq.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:17 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:44 AM - Edit history (1)

They're already there, on the ground, doing the same damn thing that SF are doing, and if they say otherwise, well, they're quite full of shit.

There's no good solution there. Hasn't been for a long, long time, unfortunately.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
3. There's no good solution there. ^ So true. And the USA made it so much worse.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jun 2014

And dumped trillions of US taxpayers dollars there just to enrich a few war profiteers.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. Yep. The Halliburton Kids had to make their billions!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:34 AM
Jun 2014

I wonder if they're feeling like "liberators" these days?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. No, not at all. We left because the Iraqi leadership wouldn't agree to a SOFA agreement with USA.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jun 2014

Had they permitted a SOFA accord, we'd still be there--not in large numbers, on a base, but Baghdad would be a regular Army duty station. US military aircraft would refuel on an air facility tucked away at the end of the international airport.

The leadership wanted US forces to be subject to local Sharia law and that just wasn't going to happen. That's what ended our involvement in Iraq.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
6. Agree that was the pretext. But it resulted from complete Iranian influence.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jun 2014

Even now Iran is saying that the U.S. is not welcome. Iraqi independence is a charade.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. Yeah. Why should the locals get to judge our soldiers for killing them?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jun 2014

Sheesh. They have a lot of nerve.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. I am not going to get into a dramatic big bad pointless DU argument about the
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

hows, whys and where-fors of SOFA.

I am simply stating a plain fact--we don't stay without it.

Do with that information what you will, or not.

No SOFA? No forces. State Department plays it that way, and Defense concurs.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. You may be pleased, but I'll bet they're regretting the hell out of it. Oh well--too late now!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jun 2014

They're going to have to do all the heavy lifting themselves now, and it may not work.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
11. They wanted Americans(both soldiers and mecenaries) prosecuted for obvious war crimes
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jun 2014

Sharia Law. PFFFT, nice framing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Look, no SOFA, no forces. No "framing" involved.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

Unless you're saying that something other than Sharia law --say, Law of the Jungle, perhaps, or blind luck--ruled the day?

Again--no SOFA, no troops. That's the bottom line. Huff and puff away!

Bet they wish they'd taken the deal. Too late.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
17. Don't misrepresent the dispute and not expect a reaction from other posters
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014

My post and probably Grumpy's were not for your benefit but other DUers who might not have known the circumstances and could have fallen for your nonsense.

Have a good one.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. I'm not misrepresenting anything.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:57 AM
Jun 2014

But you're playing that fight-picking game, like you always do.

I always have a good one--you should try it sometime.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Fell for what?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jun 2014

Your usual drama and fight picking?

No, they didn't. And it was a lame try on your part, too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. No I didn't --you made "assumptions," as you always do when you try to pick one of your little
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014

fights with me (and I point it out every time you do that, so you probably should just stop doing it--it never ends well for you).

You should take your own advice instead of trying to tell other people what to do. Makes you look like a bit of a bully, you know, demanding that people "Get out of here"--not very civil, that.

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
18. Thanks!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

The thing we forget is that the actual people don't hate us. The Iranians were the only ones in the region that marched in sympathy with us after 9/11.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. I've always known this. Persians are enormously diverse.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:00 AM
Jun 2014

And you don't even need to watch Shahs of Sunset to realize it, either.

People are shocked to meet Iranian Jews, Armenians, Christians of various sorts, and people who say they are shi'a (sunni exist but they are very much a minority) but will enjoy a beer or a shot of whiskey.

They aren't a nation of fundies...they're actually a nation with a lot of people who like to have FUN.

Igel

(35,191 posts)
14. Between those who want Iraq in the US "camp" and those who want independence?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

How's that work?

Perhaps ISIS is the side fighting for the US to be involved? I guess Salafists and Baathists always had a soft touch for US "imperialism". So, that's overstating things. A bit.

Iran's on al-Maliki's side and had guards go to help protect "sacred places". But it's obvious that Iran doesn't want us there and is on the side that wants Iraqi "independence."

Of the three actors, so far two want the US out. That means al-Maliki must be on the pro-US domination side. So does that mean Iran and the Salafists are on the same page, working against al-Maliki?

Far too complicated. Or perhaps it's a mistranslation. Persian's apparently very difficult to translate, with all kinds of idioms. Perhaps ""seek Iraq's independence" really means "want chocolate cheese cake" or "want the gates of hell to crumble into Oreo pie crust."

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