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Omaha Steve

(99,497 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:58 PM Jun 2014

Billions at risk as West Coast port contract ends

Source: AP-Excite

By JUSTIN PRITCHARD

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The West Coast ports that are America's gateway for hundreds of billions of dollars of trade with Asia and beyond are no stranger to labor unrest and even violence.

Now, the contract that covers nearly 20,000 dockworkers is set to expire, and businesses that trade in everything from apples to iPhones are worried about disruptions just as the crush of cargo for the back-to-school and holiday seasons begins.

With contentious issues including benefits and job security on the table, smooth sailing is no guarantee.

On one side is the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, with its tradition of fierce activism dating to the Great Depression, when two of its members were killed during a strike. On the other is the Pacific Maritime Association, which represents shipping lines and operators of terminals at 29 West Coast ports.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140622/us-port-labor-7084b7772a.html





FILE - In this Jan.10, 2011 file photo, shipping containers line the Port of Long Beach in Long Beach, Calif. The West Coast ports that are America{2019}s gateway for hundreds of billions of dollars of trade with Asia and beyond are no stranger to labor unrest and even violence. Now, the contract that covers nearly 20,000 dockworkers is set to expire, and businesses that trade in everything from apples to iPhones are worried about disruptions _ as the summer cargo crush begins. (AP Photo/Noaki Schwartz)
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Billions at risk as West Coast port contract ends (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2014 OP
Long as the employees are offered a fair contract there shouldnt be an issue. nt cstanleytech Jun 2014 #1
Define "fair contract" for dockworkers. TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #2
Thats for the dockworkers and management to decide upon and hopefully they wont have any problems cstanleytech Jun 2014 #3
From the article it seems they are paid way plenty already. Owl Jun 2014 #4
I'll bite on this Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #6
Arent most of the ports owned by the government? cstanleytech Jun 2014 #9
From the OP Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #10
Yup I had a Homer Simpson moment there. cstanleytech Jun 2014 #12
What difference does that make? I hope you don't expect every dockworker... TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #16
So, is there some reason they shouldn't be? sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #8
Their jobs are dangerous and on the job injuries are unfortunately very common. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #11
Don't believe what you read in the MSM............. Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2014 #14
Bingo. Well said. Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #20
Yes, we can't have anyone making over minimum wage, can we? (CEO's excepted, natch.) PSPS Jun 2014 #18
Everytime there's a new contract sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #5
Very well said indeed Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #7
Absolutely. Note the pro-management spin to the headline RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #13
My dad always called Harry Bridges sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #15
Haha! That's great! Expresses the sentiments of many. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #17
I live near here. If I may... C Moon Jun 2014 #19
We were in the area in 2004 Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #21
:D C Moon Jun 2014 #23
The problem today is that union members do not understand the power they used to have and Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #22

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
3. Thats for the dockworkers and management to decide upon and hopefully they wont have any problems
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:42 PM
Jun 2014

coming to an agreement.

Omaha Steve

(99,497 posts)
10. From the OP
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jun 2014

Pacific Maritime Association, which represents shipping lines and operators of terminals at 29 West Coast ports.

That is who they are in negotiations with.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
16. What difference does that make? I hope you don't expect every dockworker...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

to make the same as the chairman of Evergreen Shipping.

I personally have known a few dockworkers and none have any complaints at all about the pay or the job. Unless it's at contract time.

And while the dangers are similar to those of any construction job, automated container cranes are nothing like the old days of breakbulk.

It's not the '30s any more and the what's on the waterfront isn't a movie.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
8. So, is there some reason they shouldn't be?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jun 2014

I'm sure the suits make much, much more. Should they?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
11. Their jobs are dangerous and on the job injuries are unfortunately very common.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jun 2014

Also the hours are terrible and many of the things they do expose them to the elements. It's very tough work and they deserve to be paid very well.

It's also essential that they get excellent health care benefits and retirement, because as I said it's dangerous work and there are frequent injuries.

The unfortunate reality is that there's a cycle of injury/illegal firing/ suing to get one's job back that's very common in the industry, and it makes it very difficult for people to keep their heads above water, even with union protection.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
14. Don't believe what you read in the MSM.............
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

As a retired airline pilot, I could only have wished to make the money and had the time off the press said I did whenever contract negotiations rolled around. The MSM is not the worker's friend.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
20. Bingo. Well said.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:02 AM
Jun 2014

The MSM is just a corporate mouthpiece and even frame that reporting via a corporatist view.

I've seen so many time over the decades they'll either quote inflated figures of hourly pay for the rank and file by including overtime and benefits ( while studiously ignoring management benefits and stock options in an attempt to make their compensation appear lower ) or they'll ignore ignore negative key provisions for any pay increases. ( a pay hike but creating a "B scale" of a lower paid group, or rule changes that will cut headcount, or cuts in other areas.

Another thing they'll do is quote any pay hike offered in isolation of past events; such as a 2 or 3 percent raise following previous concessions of 10 or 20 percent or more.

All designed to keep one half of the working class to resent the other, and by extension, barking up any other tree than that the plutocracy has climbed. It seems to play right into corporatists hands as so many fall for it.

Devious bastards, the lot of them.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
5. Everytime there's a new contract
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jun 2014

coming up, media broadcasts the overpaid longshoreman meme. It isn't true because longshoremen are not guaranteed work every day. That depends on what's at the dock and what the labor rotation is. During one strike, when I was a kid, and times were tough, my father said that he put his life on the line every day unloading ships, just like he had in the Pacific for 4 years during WWII and that he expected to make a good enough living to own a home, a car, take a vacation, provide health care for his family and send his kids to college. The ILWU is what industrial labor unions were designed to be. It should be the model for all working people everywhere.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
13. Absolutely. Note the pro-management spin to the headline
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

Note that the focus is on businesses losing money instead of on workers' rights.

People who read these articles have grown so used to the bias that most don't even realize the extent to which they are being manipulated.

Coincidentally, 80 years ago, the Pacific Coast witnessed one helluva a strike.


The Pacific District ILA’s Strike of 1934 began on the morning of May 9th when over 12,000 longshoremen struck from Bellingham, Washington in the north, to the port of San Diego, California in the south. According to Jonathan Dembo, only 75 longshoremen along the entire Pacific Coast crossed strike picket lines. With such unity among the longshoremen, the employers mainly concentrated their tactics on keeping the larger ports of San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland open through the use of scab labor or by force. Striking longshoremen in sixteen smaller ports, by contrast, succeeded in keeping their waterfronts closed down for the duration of the strike. http://depts.washington.edu/dock/34strikehistory_part2.shtml


But then, I'm sure we all learned about it in history class.

The ’34 maritime strike was one of the most dramatic and consequential in US history. Conflicts between strikers and police on the Embarcadero and Rincon Hill in San Francisco resembled pitched military battles; five longshoremen were shot and killed by police in San Francisco and two in Seattle. After the killings on the waterfront the National Guard was brought in to open the SF port and disperse the strikers. During those days, and after a dramatic silent funeral procession down Market street, city opinion swung in favor of the strikers. 117 San Francisco unions voted in favor of a general strike. After three days the strike committee voted to turn the conflict over to arbitration. It wasn’t until October, 83 days after it began, that an agreement was reached. Wages and working conditions were improved, the agreement established coast-wide bargaining, and most importantly a joint employer and union hiring hall that would end the shape-up system. Bridges became one of the most highly respected militants in the ’34 strike. As member of the strike committee Bridges style of “new unionism” infuriated employers and government arbitrators, and endeared him to the rank and file. http://depts.washington.edu/dock/Harry_Bridges_intro.shtml



Picture taken in San Francisco on Market St. during the funeral procession for the killed longshoremen

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
17. Haha! That's great! Expresses the sentiments of many.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jun 2014

What's interesting about the era is that there were lots of Communists in the labor movement. (Bridges in SF, the Dunne brothers in the Teamsters strike in Minneapolis, Louis Budenz and company in the Toledo Auto-Lite strike.) Most of the rank and file weren't Communists and they had no illusions about the politics of some of their leaders. They knew that some of their key leaders were Communists. Yet they respected them for the way they organized and stood up for the rights of workers.

It's kind of a pity (although somewhat understandable) the way the modern labor movement tends to sanitize its own history. The truth is that some of the most effective strikes were driven by the locals and called in open defiance of the cautions of the national unions

C Moon

(12,209 posts)
19. I live near here. If I may...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:26 AM
Jun 2014

There are great things to see—just beyond the shipping docks...

It's an area of San Pedro, CA that has a lot of potential. They are trying to build it up, but it's slow going.
Visit sometime! It's at the end of the 110 freeway.

There is an amazing marina (Cabrillo marina...we walk our pup there all the time), and Cabrillo beach (a man made beach, with an awesome jetty (that we named our dog after) and it's etched by high cliffs that will lead you to Point Fermin—where there's a lighthouse and a beautiful park (each summer in the evening they have Shakespeare in the park). There's so much to see in this area. I just LOVE it!!!!

Sorry for the side notes. But seeing the area in the news always gets me going. San Pedro is amazing, and if you ask me, the port is the ugly weak spot—although, I know it's the money driver.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
22. The problem today is that union members do not understand the power they used to have and
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:13 AM
Jun 2014

propaganda from Fox, Limpballs, Savage, and the rest of the MSM have weakened unions terribly. I live around many of the world's largest refineries on the Texas Gulf coast, union membership is way down and most of these idiots vote Republican because "Democrats want to take my guns." Union leadership has trouble getting them to meetings, paying dues, electing candidates... They are not willing to sacrifice much for the unions and union leadership is aging and increasingly out of touch.
Plants like BP Texas City, which blew up killing 15 and injuring thousands in 2005, are run on the cheap and way more dangerous than they already were from the nature of the activity and the union was powerless to stop it. The jobs pay well and the plants keep them in fear that they will lose it all and go non-union if they rock the boat.

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