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seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:32 PM Jun 2014

Sudanese Christian woman arrested again, legal team says

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- A Sudanese Christian woman who'd been sentenced to die for refusing to renounce her faith -- and then released -- was arrested again Tuesday at an airport as she was trying to leave the African country, her legal team told CNN.
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On Tuesday, a man who says he is Ibrahim's brother, Al-Samani Al-Hadi, slammed the appellate court's decision and talked of vengeance.

"The family is unconvinced by the court's decision. We were not informed by the court that she was to be released; this came as a surprise to us," Al-Hadi said. "The law has failed to uphold our rights.

"This is now an issue of honor. The Christians have tarnished our honor, and we will know how to avenge it."


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/world/africa/sudan-christian-woman-arrest/

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. Family knew 'she was missing for several years' but only acted when she got married.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jun 2014

Whose life is it, anyway? And this guy is talking about Honor?

Whose? Hers? Or his own? She is not their property!

Who made this guy 'claiming to be Ibrahim's brother' some kind of god with the right to have his revenge on her, the husband and their children?

After all, they wanted her dead! There's no honor involved here. I think 'brother' needs to be arrested for trying to get the court to kill her in revenge.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
3. Her brother is an asshole.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jun 2014

And too bad for you as far as the court goes.

"This is now an issue of honor. The Christians have tarnished our honor, and we will know how to avenge it."


In other words his ego needs to be massaged, because what he's talking about has nothing to do with 'honor.'

raging moderate

(4,276 posts)
4. "Honor" is a mistranslation of the word that describes the feeling shown by these Sudanese.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

Real HONOR is a word that describes SELF-control, not control of others. It is a word that describes honesty, courage, diligence, consideration of the needs of others, and, as needed, the restriction of ONE'S OWN physical appetites.

Again and again, I find this grave error in books, anecdotes, and news stories.

Of course, we in the West are fully as human and fallible as those in the Mideast. We too fall victim to the raging desires to control and bully others, to solidify the power of our own family, our own religion, our own financial organization, our own ethnic group, our own legal system, our own system of ethics.

We have a word for this feeling. We call it PRIDE. Sometimes, we also get carried away by it. However, we do have reminders from several quarters that pride frequently goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. the article said she is being held at the airport
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jun 2014

I hope that there will be an update soon and she willbe able to go on her way with her family.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,082 posts)
7. US State Dept: Sudan death row woman Meriam Ibrahim freed again
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jun 2014
A Sudanese woman freed from death row on Monday has been released again after being briefly detained with her family at Khartoum airport.
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"They were temporarily detained for several hours over questions related to their documents," Marie Harf, a spokeswoman for the US state department, told journalists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28010879

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
8. "Honor" = pathetic attempt to extort $$$ from her American husband.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

I am always surprised at how easy it is to "buy" honor or a pardon or forgiveness some places. It is obvious that her "family" wanted nothing to do with her until they smelled money. And they appear to have no shame about it, so I assume that this is a common practice where they live.

I always find it hard to believe in the faith of those who faith can be bought.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
9. Till recently, such payments were part even of Western Law.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

Till the American Revolution, you had indentured servants coming from England (and elsewhere) to the American Colonies, where they were sold. How did they became indentured? It was ILLEGAL to exile criminals from one's country under International law. The Colonies were viewed as Independent Countries for purposes of that law. It was worked around by offering the accused a choice, a trial after which he or she would be executed, or agreement to pay the victim some money. The money was to come from a Ship;s Captain who would take the criminal to the New World and sell him or her as an indentured servant. Many people took up this offer, everyone made money, except the criminal. This could include cases of Murder, if the Murder's victim's family opt for it instead of an execution.

With the American Revolution such selling of people from England stopped and never resumed. Immigration into the USA came to an almost complete halt in 1774 and never resumed except on a small scale till the Irish immigration of the 1840s (and later the resumed German Immigration after the failed revolution of 1848). This large gap in time, killed off the market for such indentured servants, so Ship Captains wanted cash up front when immigration resumed in the 1840s.

Side note: England in the late 1780s decided to VIOLATE International Law and ship convicted Criminals to Australia. This put an end to the supply of people trying to avoid jail by agreeing to go to the New World, i.e. whether they were convicted or not, they were sent to Australia. Thus the Australia tradition of being the descendants of such criminals.

Even today, it is possible to buy off certain criminal charges. For example writing a bad check is a criminal offense, but it is possible to buy off the charge by paying on the check and any fee tied in with the check.

Many a criminal case is resolved by the defendants paying off the victim before the Trial, so the Victim drop the Charges, mostly summary offenses, but can be done even for Felonies if the local District Attorney agrees.

The reason for this is simple, the criminal justice system is set up to protect victims, but often the best way to protect them is to put them back into a position they would have been if the crime never took place.

Now, in many cases a Civil Action is brought instead of a Criminal Action, for the victim wants compensation NOT revenge. i.e. wants to be made whole, NOT throw the defendant into jail. Breach of promises actions (before they were repealed by most States) were Civil Actions that replaced earlier criminal actions for the same offence (i.e. agreeing to marry and then backing out of the marriage). In many ways our whole Civil Law System is designed to take cases out of the Criminal Law System, cases that can be better resolved by an award of a money judgement.

Now, as to this demand for money. "Honor" in most societies include Family reputation within that society. Many families can take some abuse of its "Honor" if a payment is made. No payment, criminal punishment is expected, no criminal punishment then a simple revenge killing. Societies have to address this problem with agreements between the extended families of each party to the action, and i most societies such an agreement can NOT be done without the Family that was "Dishonored" agreeing to the settlement. This often includes an exchange of goods or money. Also remember in most such societies you may have a court system but not a real police force (And what Police Force that exists is designed to keep the leadership in power nothing more, i.e. hired thugs to beat up anyone who opposes the Government, thus no one trusts such police).

Thus, the family saw this as an insult to their family and their family's name and had to be addressed. Some sort of payment had to be made, and I suspect it was. This is typical of tribal, clan and extended families based societies. Keeping the extended family happy is more important then keeping anyone else happy (including the Government and the Judges). Thus payments are made, You may disagree with it, but that is how most Tribal, Clan and extended family based societies operate.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
10. Tangentially
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jun 2014
Australia cancels 'Honour Killings Are Morally Justified' talk

Sydney (AFP)
- A planned talk on whether honour killings can be morally justified as part of Sydney's Festival of Dangerous Ideas has been cancelled following public outrage, officials said.

Uthman Badar, spokesman for the Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, had been set to speak on the topic "Honour Killings Are Morally Justified" at the Sydney Opera House in August, but the festival said late Tuesday it would not go ahead.

"The justification for removing it was simply the level of public outrage," festival co-curator Simon Longstaff said.

"We took the view that it was so strong and overwhelming that the ability of the speaker to even open up the question for some discussion and reflection would be impossible."

http://news.yahoo.com/australia-cancels-honour-killings-morally-justified-talk-012319134.html
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