An another one from him today :

"Lavrov threatens to send Russian army into Eastern Ukraine to "deescalate" tensions",

Yes you read it well...

More :

Russia 'using words to destroy meaning', say writers

government. Then the US, who is really running this show, demands that the Russians de-escalate, by Monday morning !!!

Nothing like an escalation followed by an ultimatum to cool things down.

That's how the Viet Nam war and every other post WWII military intervention began. First the provocation then the ultimatum then the Tonkin Incident, whatever that might be.

The problem is that Russia holds all the cards and has dealer advantage.

Meanwhile ISIS is taking over the middle east.

USA ! USA ! USA !

Of course, Lavrov blames the US -- do you think he will admit that Russia's actions caused most of the problems? You do realize that even the Pro Russian President ran on seeking an EU trade deal -- and the crisis started when he reneged on that.

Lavrov apparently forgets that he assured the US and Europe that Russia had no intention of annexing Crimea and that they had no men there. Neither true.

Here, he trying to play the US and EU off against each other and is angrier at the US, which led on the sanctions that actually made them back off.

Notice that Lavrov, at times, acts as if the self appointed, often not even local, Pro Russian separatists are the true representatives for the border areas and that Ukraine needs to negotiate with them as such.

the Ukraine using the EU as a cover. The US wants NATO on the Russian border. That is what this is about. That was also the motive behind the failed Georgian adventure.

The US are gangsters. So are the Russians and Ukraine under the present government. There are no good guys here so it is pointless to look for white knights and villains. They are all villains.

All a big laugh, is it? Such a flippant attitude toward the Russian Federation's leading diplomat reminds me of the way right wing talking heads on FOX News joked about the opposition involved in our 2003 invasion of Iraq:

"That Tariq Aziz is the funniest little man! He always makes me laugh!"

And so forth. Pretty sad, really.

Maybe when you make it to the Improv circuit.

It was announced a long time ago. It's what everybody said would happen.

The only person surprised is Lavrov and others who don't look at the (Russian-language) Ukrainian press. Having become so convinced that it's all propaganda, it's a surprise that it turned out to be accurate. I guess.

can't believe some of these comments. No doubt what lies ahead.

We will all be screwn. There are no good actors in this story. The Ukraine government was corrupt from the beginning. The oligarchs stole pretty much everything from the start. The EU made an offer that would have made Ukraine the new Greece, There's video evidence of Nuland, McCain, and even Biden standing for the "uprising" that overthrew an elected government. How about that $5 billion that was invested in "democracy promotion"?
From my point of view the whole problem started at the fall of the Soviet Union. We sent all these financial geniuses to Russia to "help" them transfer to a capitalist economy model. Made a few people rich and fucked everyone else.
Rule #1: Your government is lying to you to maintain their own power and disguise their motives, or hide how stupid and uninformed they are.
Rule#2: Any information provided by "official sources" is nothing more than a press release.
AWWW! Fuck it! We're still screwn no matter what I say.

everything you said. But there are doubters here. I have argued with them vehemently, and they just call me names and tell me I'm a Putin lover. You are right: it doesn't matter when it happens; it's going to happen. And when it does happen we the people will experience the unbearable pain of slipping into a second world nation. Your rules one and two are excellent.

It seems like I've been hanging around here since forever. I don't post much since it seems like there are so many that are more well informed than I. My main reason for hanging out here is that so many people post so much good information on so many important subjects.
The last few years it seems like there are way too many paid posters trying to throw a monkey wrench into discussions and shut down any view that challenges the "accepted wisdom". I've been on the receiving end of that crap more often than not.
That leads me to try and follow another rule for DU. Always pay attention to who posts what. There are those that post inflammatory stories or viewpoints and will never change. It's sad because there are a lot of discussions I won't get involved in just because I know I'll be troll bait.
Hang in there and I hope you can separate the wheat from the chaff and get the best of both.

If so, this is a fucked up world.

Faux news has destroyed too many American brain cells.

Ukraine is making "ungrounded territorial demands".

Presumably ensuring the "territorial integrity" that Russia agreed to a couple of decades ago. And last week--unless, in typical Soviet fashion, the words meant what he intended them to mean in private and not as accepted during the negotiations. "Yes I agree that Ukraine's territory (as it is now in the mind of myself and other Russian archnationalists, minus all of Novorossia and the Crimea) must be preserved. (After all, who wants Subcarpathia?)"

"the words meant what he intended them to mean in private and not as accepted during the negotiations"

Yes this is priceless...

- Yes, and here's why:

When your economy runs off of military confrontations and conflicts, then you must seed conflicts in one area to let the wind and nature take its course. Make a little trouble in Syria, for example, to scare up oil prices. Or alternately, throw doubt into the Ukraine sitch and the next thing you know natural gas prices are skyrocketing. Everyone makes a killing. It's like printing your own money. Because you can.

Eventually a ''need'' for intervention will arise from your sprouting blossoms. Soon a new ''budding democracy'' is crying out for our HELP!, and we're ever at the ready. With our rapid forces and planes, our drones and satellite cameras we see all, know all and can kill all if we want to. Another ragtag faux army of terrorists will be defeated no doubt, and all will be safe once again with the world. Until tomorrow, of course.

So supplies get used up, bombs get exploded, planes get flown and guns shoot a lot of bullets. A lot of bullets. People get killed, maimed and injured. All of which have to be replaced. And all will feed the new seeds that were planted by this fresh conflict, and soon it will seed itself.

And all of this has to be purchased. Some from high schools and colleges. Some from defense contractors and bullet makers -- all conveniently spread-out among the best Congressional districts to insure a continuing flow of cash for the folks back home.

And then this is where the Federal Reserve Bank (AKA: Wall Street) comes in, and our great-grandchildren become further enslaved by our timidity.

''The true value of a conflict is in the debt it produces -- you control the debt, you control everything''.

Your ability to communicate is amazing.

What a shame it is all so true.

"It's not my fault, it's your fault. Ukrainians are just children. They don't know what is best for themselves. They are making a 'mistake' but that must be the fault of an 'adult'." A tad patronizing but, when you are a big power, you feel 'exceptional'.

The militarily strongest may often get to write the first draft of history, but it always gets revised until the truth is revealed. We are not going to look very good in the final draft.

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He constantly tells her she's nothing without him.

He constantly tells her she needs him in order to survive.

When they go out in public, he's constantly accusing other guys (the West) at making eyes towards her.

He blames her for the injuries he causes her to suffer.

He's constantly putting her down, calling her names, and yet in the next breath he's telling her how important she is to him.

Finally, she had enough and this February told him that she was leaving him for another guy (EU). Since then, he's tried every trick to make life as miserable as he can for her.

Yes, it was definitely time for a divorce.

- Which is one of the main reasons I left it.

Hopefully it doesn't end with "if I can't have you, then nobody can" and he then kills her.

in this dispute. I can't say I think much of any of the public players, though some have certainly gotten more hysterical than others.