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alsame

(7,784 posts)
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 04:43 PM Jun 2014

Bob McDonald, former P&G chief, to be Obama’s nominee to lead Veterans Affairs

Source: Washington Post

President Obama on Monday will nominate Bob McDonald, a West Point graduate who served as the chief executive of Procter & Gamble, to take over as head of the troubled Department of Veterans Affairs, according to White House officials.

The un­or­tho­dox pick of a retired corporate executive whose former company produces iconic household products such as Tide detergent and Charmin toilet paper — rather than a former military general — underscores the serious management problems facing the agency charged with serving more than 8 million veterans a year. On Friday, White House deputy chief of staff Rob Nabors submitted a report to the president finding “significant and chronic system failures” and a “corrosive culture” at the Veterans Health Administration, which has come under fire for skewed record-keeping in an effort to cover up the long waits it has imposed on former soldiers seeking medical care.

In recent years, the job of VA secretary has been filled by retired generals, medical professionals or politicians. McDonald’s background is a significant departure, though he and his wife have deep family ties to the military. McDonald graduated in the top 2 percent of his class at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., and served in the Army for five years, achieving the rank of captain in the 82nd Airborne Division before taking an entry-level job at P&G. He is the son of an Army Air Corps veteran of World War II, and his wife’s father was shot down over Europe and survived harsh treatment as a prisoner of war.

“The choice suggests a real focus on customer satisfaction, as opposed to what you might get from a retired general or medical leader,” said Phillip Carter, who follows veterans issues for the Center for a New American Security. “It is probably a wise choice given the concerns right now of veterans.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-mcdonald-former-pandg-chief-to-be-obamas-nominee-to-lead-veterans-affairs/2014/06/29/2fddd794-ffab-11e3-b8ff-89afd3fad6bd_story.html

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Bob McDonald, former P&G chief, to be Obama’s nominee to lead Veterans Affairs (Original Post) alsame Jun 2014 OP
Yes, how "unorthodox" ... 1000words Jun 2014 #1
I'm from Cincinnati, Procter & Gamble's hometown. BlueEye Jun 2014 #2
Thank you. elleng Jun 2014 #9
Thank you for that insider's view, BlueEye.. as soon as I read the OP I knew there would Cha Jun 2014 #18
Bob McDonald was fired from P&G... rexcat Jun 2014 #30
Well he is part of the 1 % that's all that matters warrant46 Jun 2014 #32
Not quite but he is a ring knocker (West Pointer) so he has both the quals. Sam1 Jul 2014 #48
"fired from P&G"; "jerk and asshole"? No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #39
Not an overstatement... rexcat Jun 2014 #42
Whoa. To equate my statement that both Senators endorse McDonald's appointment No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #44
An apology is in order... rexcat Jun 2014 #45
I was worried mahina Jul 2014 #50
Running a large cabinet agency is similar to running a large corporation. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #3
See post 30 n/t rexcat Jun 2014 #31
The guy is himself a Veteran, and a fairly good one at that... Amonester Jun 2014 #4
Romney supporter, to boot. 1000words Jun 2014 #7
Oh he's a Romney supporter? Then fuck the veterans I guess. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #11
He will do no better than Eric did warrant46 Jun 2014 #33
McDonald lives in Indian Hill, an elite suburb of Cincinnati. No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #14
Groan, a Romney man and 1%er. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #21
That was almost two years ago. Sometimes, some people change.... (let's hope) Amonester Jun 2014 #23
If not a General, Politician, Medical Authority or CEO... Brisk Jun 2014 #8
Well I am available...... whistler162 Jun 2014 #17
It's gonna take more than Tide to clean this shit up. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #5
But will it matter who is in charge of the VA if he is unable to fire the Lurks Often Jun 2014 #6
V A typical of Federal bureaucracies. C.Moakler Jun 2014 #10
Anti-government type, eh? frazzled Jun 2014 #13
First post? No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #15
bullshit.. bush didn't want to govern.. he ruined the country taking all the money to Iraq.. Cha Jun 2014 #19
The government is not a fucking corporation alarimer Jun 2014 #12
"campaign contibutors"? are you sure you know what you're talking about? Maybe Cha Jun 2014 #20
I doubt Bob McDonald was an Obama campaign contibutor. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #29
I suspect that Turbineguy Jun 2014 #16
I sometimes wonder if anyone can run the VA. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #22
That 47% tape surfaced months after his ten-grand contribution.... Amonester Jun 2014 #24
I sincerely hope so. I would love to be wrong about this as I have been in the past mountain grammy Jun 2014 #25
Maybe he can also use his (perhaps "previous") "affiliation" to influence the Rs in the house Amonester Jun 2014 #26
Sen. Brown (D) and Sen. Portman (R) are both cheering this appointment. No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #27
Can anyone from Southwest Ohio remember the Democratic canddate who challenged JDPriestly Jun 2014 #28
Like most of what he does--- like Keeping Gates warrant46 Jun 2014 #34
So true. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #37
VA problems are too big for prtisanship. No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #35
Did you read my post? PG&E may have interfered in the life of a potentially strong JDPriestly Jun 2014 #36
Are you referring to Procter & Gamble (P&G)? No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #38
Procter & Gamble. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #40
Sorry for your Mom/Democrat in Boehner's district. No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #43
So once again there are no qualified Dems (in the opinion of you and the president)? Doctor_J Jul 2014 #47
Well that's just great! Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #41
Boehner likes the pick Enrique Jun 2014 #46
I guess we just identified Boner's next primary opponent! bullwinkle428 Jul 2014 #51
My Concern RobinA Jul 2014 #49
 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
1. Yes, how "unorthodox" ...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

for a corporate-friendly administration to choose a former CEO to "fix" a government service.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
2. I'm from Cincinnati, Procter & Gamble's hometown.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jun 2014

It's hard to find anybody, including Democrats, that do not at least respect P&G. They are very good at delivering customer value. They also do a lot of good things for the community, and that was the case under MacDonald's tenure as well. Of course the VA needs more funding. Of course this is the GOP's fault that they are underfunded. But Bob MacDonald has a reputation of being a very effective manager, and I believe those management skills will serve our veterans well.

If you are someone who blindly hates everything that comes from corporate America, I guess there's no point in trying to convince you this is a good choice. But I personally applaud President Obama on this one. MacDonald is a choice made for the benefit of the veterans who utilize the VA's services, not for any ideology.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
18. Thank you for that insider's view, BlueEye.. as soon as I read the OP I knew there would
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jun 2014

be those jumping on with "Corporate!!!1111". There's usually more than on the surface with anything. Damn well better know the President wants to fix the VA with the best person with Experience as possible.

There was some thread the other day that has since been self-deleted with some ideological attacks against KFC.. making no sense just because it's "Corporate".

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
30. Bob McDonald was fired from P&G...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jun 2014

The former CEO had to be called back because of McDonald's incompetency. McDonald was a jerk and an asshole.

Disclaimer: I live in the Cincinnati Metro area and my wife works at P&G. Most of the employees of the company did not like McDonald. If McDonald had not been fired he would have driven P&G further down the tubes!!!!!

I would say that McDonald is a bad choice for anything.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
32. Well he is part of the 1 % that's all that matters
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jun 2014

It was disgusting how the so called DINO's showed Shinseki to the door

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
39. "fired from P&G"; "jerk and asshole"?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jun 2014

Those words may be an overstatement.

Disclaimer: I am a lifelong resident of Cincinnati; spouse & I are both former P&G employees, not during McDonald's tenure.

Procter & Gamble did quite well during McDonald's tenure. Apparently, he did not fit the mold for P&G CEOs - he was trained as an engineer and was more detail-oriented than a big-picture guy or a glad-hander.

Both Ohio Senators are enthusiastic about this pick, and I wish him well.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
42. Not an overstatement...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jun 2014

There was a leadership vacuum at P&G because of McDonald. He got rid of anyone in the upper echelons of P&G and that is why the Board of Directors brought back A.G. Lafley. McDonald is a ring knocker from West Point. He is arrogant and didn't understand the culture of P&G. McDonald was not as bad as Durk Jager but he was close.

As far as both Senators go, Portman is a republican and if you are endorsing Portman I would have to question your loyalty to things Democratic Party. I do know a lot of "moderate" to "conservative" Democrats in the Cincinnati area. It looks like Sherrod Brown is not going to make waves with Obama, no surprise there. For the most part I agreed with Brown on most issues but there have been several situations I have disagreed with him and this is one of them.

So your a lifetime resident of Cincinnati. That's nice. We have been in the area since 1988. When we retire we are out of this cesspool. My wife is a current employee of P&G and was under the "leadership" of McDonald. When McDonald left the company there was a collective sigh of relief within the company or at least the technical centers and more than likely at GO.

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
44. Whoa. To equate my statement that both Senators endorse McDonald's appointment
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

as an endorsement is quite a stretch, not to mention following it with a questioning of my Dem bona fides.
Up to this point I have never felt that I had to come on DU and defend my political stance.

I am, however, a realist re Ohio politics and know that Rob Portman will likely be a US Senator from Ohio as long as he cares to be and I'm not going to waste energy shadow-boxing against him, though I have faithfully voted for his Dem. opponent, even when that opponent didn't offer much promise as a candidate or potential Senator.

For your sake, I hope your wife is offered an early retirement package so that you can be safely on your way. As with P&G benefits, we have found the P&G retirement quite comfortable, thank you very much.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
45. An apology is in order...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jun 2014

on my part. I despise Portman and the republicans in Ohio so any positive comments concerning him hits a raw nerve with me. We were recently gerrymandered into Chabot's district so I "get" Ohio politics. I have been worn down by the teabaggers and the like in the area and the lack of any real meaningful representation that reflects my values.

We have been in the area since 1988 so I think you can do the math as to how long my wife has worked at P&G. She did get a late start with her employment but her PhD has paid off nicely. She will leave P&G on her terms, not P&G's terms. As far as compensation P&G does pay good wages for those who have a good education. She does get nice stock option every year and her annual STAR award has been significant. With two professional incomes we live quite comfortably and expect to do so when we retire, thank you very much. I do give credit to my wife for not buying the P&G bullshit P&G. When it comes down to it P&G is only interested in the bottom line. When it comes to people the CEO and the rest of upper management at P&G does not really care about their employees. It was not like that years ago but the culture at the company has changed. Also when it comes to promotions men still have the upper hand at the company.

Our sons graduated from a local HS June 1. We are pleased that they are leaving the area for college, in fact one is going to McGill University in Canada to study. We did have the good sense to get them out of the area as much as possible to explore the different regions/diversity of this country. There are some worse places to live compared to Cincinnati but there are a hell of a lot of places that are better.

I still stand by what I said about McDonald and P&G is better off without him and a lot of current P&G employees feel the same way.

mahina

(17,505 posts)
50. I was worried
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jul 2014

that he wouldn't have the experience or tools to get this job done. Your post makes me feel much better about it.

Now that you say this, I realize my unstated perfect person for the job would have been what? A hermit who lived on roots and berries gathered in the wilderness, untouched by corporate America?

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
3. Running a large cabinet agency is similar to running a large corporation.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014

Since the VA isn't an agency for oversight of the private sector, but rather a service supplier, this is probably not a bad pick.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
4. The guy is himself a Veteran, and a fairly good one at that...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jun 2014

Read the article before jumping to "wrong" conclusion, I say.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
33. He will do no better than Eric did
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jun 2014

Worse in fact-- another corporate clone the 1% will somehow get their snout in this trough too.

Boner and his buddies like Cheney don't give a F$%k about veterans anyway--- except to make more of them (Disabled too in Wars for Jayzeus)

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
14. McDonald lives in Indian Hill, an elite suburb of Cincinnati.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

Indian Hill is one of the areas of largest political donations to Republicans.
It would not surprise me if his nomination was pushed by Sen. Rob Portman, also from a monied local family.
Nevertheless, his civic duty as one trained at the Military Academy may impel him to be a good leader in this respect.

His separation from P&G was not completely of his own choosing.
The company was so anxious for new leadership that they brought back a former CEO to succeed hm.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
23. That was almost two years ago. Sometimes, some people change.... (let's hope)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jun 2014

so your post doesn't prove anything.

He could have changed his mind about it, or not.

Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that he has a lot of challenges before him.

He is military through and through. I can't see him eff it up voluntarily after Obama gave him the opportunity to try to fix it for the troops.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. It's gonna take more than Tide to clean this shit up.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014
- I suppose we should be grateful he didn't pick an investment banker.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. But will it matter who is in charge of the VA if he is unable to fire the
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jun 2014

people responsible for the cover-ups?

C.Moakler

(1 post)
10. V A typical of Federal bureaucracies.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jun 2014

IRS is a cluster disaster. The SEC is a place where a days work is watching porn, and the National Traffic Highway Safety Administration didn't know that GM cars would shut themselves off on the interstate even though they were getting hourly complaints from owners saying that the cars were shutting themselves off on the interstate. How is V A any different. It is called Obama can't govern. OK so actually it is called Bush nor Obama can govern.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
19. bullshit.. bush didn't want to govern.. he ruined the country taking all the money to Iraq..
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jun 2014

President Obama is doing just fine cleaning up the-bush cheney Fubared ClusterFuck.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
12. The government is not a fucking corporation
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014

And government agencies should not be run like one.

When will they stop appointing campaign contributors to posts like this?

I predict more scandals before this is through.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
20. "campaign contibutors"? are you sure you know what you're talking about? Maybe
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

this guy is the best one to get the VA up and running smoothly for the first time?

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
29. I doubt Bob McDonald was an Obama campaign contibutor.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:03 AM
Jun 2014

As noted within this thread, McDonald was a Romney supporter and is a registered Republican. Got any links for your assertion that he's an Obama campaign contributor?

Turbineguy

(37,206 posts)
16. I suspect that
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

a lot of the problems in the VA lie with Bush appointed Liberty U "educated" political hacks who were then morphed into Civil Service.

On first blush, working for the VA would be pretty much the best job in the government. There's no moral hazard whatsoever in taking care of Vets.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
22. I sometimes wonder if anyone can run the VA.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:46 PM
Jun 2014

So, by all means, lets try a white male 1%er Republican. Oh yeah, he's a vet, so it's all good. Maybe I'll learn to love him, like Chuck Hagel, but at least Hagel supported Obama. And it's not just that McDonald didn't support Obama, he supported Rmoney, a despicable, amoral, shell of a human being.
For the sake of the vets and the VA, I will hope for the best, but I wonder how someone who supported a candidate for president who professed contempt and disdain for 47% of Americans can advocate for vets who are part of that 47%.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
24. That 47% tape surfaced months after his ten-grand contribution....
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:29 AM
Jun 2014

Did anyone ask him if he knew about before he donated?

Maybe he regrets it? Who knows? Some people can change their minds too...

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
25. I sincerely hope so. I would love to be wrong about this as I have been in the past
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jun 2014

about other presidential appointees.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
26. Maybe he can also use his (perhaps "previous") "affiliation" to influence the Rs in the house
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jun 2014

for them to vote to increase VA funding in a positive way?

Who here can really "know" what's up with that?

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
27. Sen. Brown (D) and Sen. Portman (R) are both cheering this appointment.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:06 AM
Jun 2014

Politicos of both parties in the Cincinnati area are speaking up for Mr. McDonald.

He is an engineer by training, and specializes in working on the problems to be solved, rather than glad-handing.

Although he is a registered Republican and a donor, he has not been a political activist.
(I think it's rather hard for those of us on DU, who are so very interested in political doings, to realize that not everyone cares all that much).
Since his retirement at P&G, he has been active in civic projects that need leadership and resources.

I'm hoping for the best, though it would not be unfair for him to be asked about his political donations.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. Can anyone from Southwest Ohio remember the Democratic canddate who challenged
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:29 AM
Jun 2014

Boehner some years ago. It was PG&E that moved that promoted that candidate's wife to handle the Walmart contract and then shipped her off to Walmart-land Arkansas. Great way for Republicans to end the political career of a solid, up-and-coming Republican.

How can Obama reward any pro-Republican, PG&E executive in this way considering PG&E's conduct in that matter.

I'm glad the candidate's wife got a promotion, but really. It was a low blow.

This is why I cannot always support things that Obama does. Didn't he do his research before appointing this guy? I don't care how high he ranked in his class in his military academy. This is a post that should have gone to a Democrat.

When did bipartisanship do a bit of good for Obama. This is a stupid appointment. You don't reward your opponents for their unfair and bad behavior.

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
35. VA problems are too big for prtisanship.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

Actually, the administration and the country are fortunate to get a man of this caliber and background.
No one has attacked his integrity.

OH Sen. Sherrod Brown (D) and all local Dems are hailing the appointment.

Not everyone is into politics the way most DUers are.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
36. Did you read my post? PG&E may have interfered in the life of a potentially strong
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

challenger to Boehner. I suspect that. The appointment should be scrubbed. I hope the Senate does not support this appointment. PG&E could argue that they were not interfering in politics, but they could have promoted the wife of the Democratic candidate and kept her in the Boehner district.

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
38. Are you referring to Procter & Gamble (P&G)?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

Not PG&E (Pacific Gas & Electric?)
No, I do not know to whom you are referring as a (past) potential challenger to Boehner.
Please be more specific re person and timing of this alleged misdoing by Procter & Gamble, and then connect it to Robert McDonald.
For instance, if this alleged incident occurred 10-15 years ago, what was his position at the time and where was he located?

I am a life-long resident of Cincinnati, which is not and never has been in Boehner's district. Boehner's district has always been in the counties north of Hamilton County. That area has always been strongly Republican.

I and spouse are both former P&G employees of Procter & Gamble.
We never felt any intimidation regarding our political choices though it was well known that the upper brass were Republican, though of the more moderate type, in that they strongly and generously promoted the common good in the community. Procter & Gamble brass generally came from all over the US, and now the world, and, therefore, had a broader view than many of the locals.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. Procter & Gamble.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jun 2014

Sorry. PG&E slipped from my fingers. I live in California and PG&E is a company here. I did not mean to suggest that PG&E did anything so partisan.

It happened in Boehner's district. My mother lives there and is a life-long Democrat.

The promotion of the wife may have been unconnected to the campaign of the husband by the Boehner challenger, but it looks very suspicious.

No Vested Interest

(5,156 posts)
43. Sorry for your Mom/Democrat in Boehner's district.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps you heard the President say during his announcement that Bob McDonald lived six years in Japan. - That's at least six years that he can't be accused of tampering with democracy in Boehner's district.

We Democrats have to not be too paranoid about what is mostly routine life changes.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
47. So once again there are no qualified Dems (in the opinion of you and the president)?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:13 AM
Jul 2014

Another disaster coming.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
46. Boehner likes the pick
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jun 2014

but one of the commenters at the Speaker's website disagrees:



http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-nomination-bob-mcdonald-be-next-va-secretary

M.SPEAKER, CONGRESS, & AMERICA, ***("I TOTALLY DISAGREE with YOU 100%&quot ***. BOB MACDONALD is a VETERAN and that's FINE. HOWEVER; He has only 3 years of EXPERIENCE as a BUSINESS LEADER. This Man is a ***("HAND PICK&quot *** for The BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA aka ("BARRY SOETORO&quot 's SOCIALIST AGGENDA & ESTABLISHMENT. BOB MCDONALD Has as ***("MUCH EXPERIENCE LEADING The VA as OBAMA Does Being a U.S PRESIDENT. MR. SPEAKER & CONGRESS, We Believe you've ***("GOT IT 100% WRONG&quot *** Because If The OBAMA ADMINISTRATION was 100% SERIOUS About HELPING VETERANS, THEY Would Have ***("IMMEDIATELY MOVED to PASS a NEW VA LAW&quot ***. BOB MCDONALD is JUST ANOTHER BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA aka ("BARRY SOETORO&quot ***("CRONNIE&quot ***. The ENTIRE VA SYSTEM will REMAIN in PLACE UNDER BOB MCDONALD. CONGRESS, BOB MACDONALD SHOULD ***("NOT BE APPROVED&quot *** BECAUSE of His ONLY 3 years of EXPERIENCE as a BUSINESS LEADER. This would be a ***("DIS-SERVICE to ALL VETERANS AROUND THE GLOBE&quot *** MR. SPEAKER & CONGRESS.
PP DMC 33* aka BLACK MAN "AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY".

RobinA

(9,877 posts)
49. My Concern
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jul 2014

with this pick is that it seems to me, a public sector employee in a medical field, that the VA problems are cultural and ones that are quite common in the public sector. The private sector has other issues. Having worked in the private sector most of my working life, the public sector IS different. I'm wondering if a corporate CEO can come into an agency seriously infected with public sector issues and be effective.

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