Bodies of Three Missing Israeli Teens Found Near Hebron, Source Says
Source: ABC News
The bodies of three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped in the West Bank earlier this month have been found north of the city of Hebron, a source confirmed to ABC News today.
Hamas, the Palestinian militant group accused by Israel of taking the boys, has denied kidnapping the teens, though senior Israeli and Palestinian officials agree that the abductors were likely tied to -- or part of -- Hamas but operating without orders from the organization's leadership.
One of the teens, 16-year-old Naftali Frenkel, had dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship and his family is from Brooklyn, N.Y. The two others were Gilad Shaar and Eyal Yifrach.
Israeli forces have conducted raids in the West Bank in the search for the teens and their kidnappers since they were abducted on June 12. Since the search started, more than 240 Palestinians have been arrested in the operation dubbed "Brother's Keeper," the army said.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/bodies-missing-israeli-teens-found-hebron-source/story?id=24367041
Beacool
(30,244 posts)They were so young. My thoughts and prayers are with their families.
Rest in peace.......
7962
(11,841 posts)This is why there will never be an agreement.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Let's not even talk about the decades of occupation and repression. It's all about three kids, whose lives are worth more than any Palestinian life.
7962
(11,841 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)of heart attacks when IDF broke into their homes in the middle of the night and the 2 kids shot in cold blood by IDF in front of CNN's cameras last month
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Heck, they don't even belong there. Who cares if after World War II President Truman and others decided against Kenya and in favor of taking land away from the indigenous folks. Thousands. Many thousands. Whose families lived there for generations.
Yes, the right thing to do is to arrest everyone in sight, and shoot a few to make a point.
question everything
(47,271 posts)Because if you are not, you don't belong in this country. That is, if you are posting from the U.S.
Either way, how pathetic to use such a sad occasion to spout your Israel hatred. Have you no shame? Have you no decency?
For at least one day?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Shirley you jest.
7962
(11,841 posts)Much like in the US, if someone dies because you committed a crime, you are guilty. Its their own damn fault for continuing this activity.
None of it would happen if Hamas, et al, would stop attacking Israel. Rockets daily, attacks on civilians, etc. Its up to them if they want peace. They dont. They want Israel's destruction. They dont deny it. Case closed.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)Spoken like someone who knows they don't have an argument outside of their own bigotry and xenophobia.
7962
(11,841 posts)The "palestinians" dont want it and prove it daily.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Palestine the new " Warsaw ghetto"
question everything
(47,271 posts)or are you just repeating the hatred and indecency spouting here.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)in your mind, to spouting hatred and indecency.
Ok, good to know.
cali
(114,904 posts)Yes, Gaza is horrible. No, it's not even close to analogous to the Warsaw Ghetto. Not all injustices are equal in their magnitude
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Start by finding out that "Arab East Jerusalem" became "arab" (and Judenfrei) due to ethnic cleansing by arabs in 1929 who attacked and killed Jewish residents who had lived there for generation upon generation.
Then move on to find out that Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria are actually OK places to live economically, have gotten more per capita foreign aid than any country, ever. Their political leaders are, however, insane. The number one donor to them is . . . . Israel.
Then --- if you dare --- find out that Israel has offered a two state solution since prior to the founding in 1948, and repeatedly since, on the condition that the resulting Arab country recognize Israel and not attempt to attack it. The Arabs refuse this condition, regardless of borders. Israel and the Jews must be dhminnis.
Finally, if you really feel adventurous, find out that 20% or so of Israeli citizens are Arab. Unlike Arabs in neighboring countries, Israeli Arabs can vote, serve in the military (or not), be any religion (or no religion) they want, be gay, be straight, drink beer, don't drink beer, go to free school, have premarital sex without an honor killing, etc. Repeated polls show the happiest, most content, most free, most middle-class, Arabs in the entire Middle East reside in Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)can you share that with us?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)In 1948, the Jordanian forces invaded and occupied the Old City of Jerusalem (both the Jewish Quarter and the Moroccan Quarter -- which was previously called the "Mixed Quarter" because everyone lived there until the pogrom of 1929 when Jews were expelled) in an attempt to kill all the Jews. At least 1500 long-time Jewish residents fled as their homes were destroyed. Many were killed.
Abowd, The Moroccan Quarter: A History of the Present, in: Jerusalem Quarterly File (Institute of Jerusalem Studies), no. 7 (2000), pp. 6-1
The rag-tag IDF counterattack and began to regain this portion of the city. Much of the area was harmed in the fighting. The fleeing Jordanians shelled mercilessly and the Old City was ravaged, effectively making it uninhabitable.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-cements-ownership-of-jewish-quarter-in-jerusalem-s-old-city-1.241108
(Not a huge mystery. Concentrated artillery fire in about a 40 acre plot blew up a lot of buildings.)
Because the Jordanians refused to accept the lower-class Arab residents (and other refugees were dumped or found their way there), the area became a massive slum after the 1948 destruction. It had no sanitation, limited utilities, and collapsing buildings.
After many offers were made to purchase the properties and pay various residents (primarily squatters) for the land, the area was legally condemned, emminent domain used to take the land, and, as part of the 1967 fighting, cleared, with great care being taken to pay former residents far more than the market value of their land. It was traumatic to all involved and hard decisions were made.
http://books.google.co.il/books?id=erxEctr2oUUC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Hajja+Rasmia+Tabaki,&source=bl&ots=BK_TvnOZO7&sig=i007Tf26X6TZ2SQVRdZ1QJj5INI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hrqYUbyqDueC4AT5kIDwBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Hajja%20Rasmia%20Tabaki%2C&f=true
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The Moroccan Quarter[1] or Mughrabi Quarter[2] (Arabic حارَة المَغارِبة Hārat al-Maghāriba) was an 800-year old[citation needed] neighborhood in the southeast corner of the Old City of Jerusalem, bordering on the western wall of the Temple Mount on the east, the Old City walls on the south (including the Dung Gate) and the Jewish Quarter to the west. It was an extension of the Muslim Quarter to the north, and was founded by a son of Saladin in the late 12th century.[3]
The quarter was razed three days after the Six-Day War in order to broaden the narrow alley leading to the Western Wall and prepare it for public access by Jews seeking to pray there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Quarter
but your spin was indeed ummm interesting
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now justify that however you wish and please do presume I have not read the what I posted
Response to azurnoir (Reply #58)
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)are you couragous enough to answer that?
and now about what my link says here it is-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Quarter
7962
(11,841 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Although you will find support for that opinion sadly lacking on this board.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and it could seem that some of us believe that it is not wrong to punish all Palestinians for what was done by a couple of individuals though
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)more pushback from crap like this:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4531463,00.html
But I never hold my breath for that on this board.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)offensive
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)condemn this 3 finger stunt?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)why didn't we se you condemning the cold blooded killing of 2 Palestinian kids? but such questions really have a "have you now or ever" ring about them
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I doubt most people here know the kidnapping was widely celebrated in Arab-occupied Judea.
Or, for that matter, that the Arabs in Judea danced and celebrated the attack on the WTC on 9/11:
stranger81
(2,345 posts)There are no "Palestinians," right -- just undifferentiated "Arabs" who could all go live in Jordan or something.
And there is no West Bank or Gaza, only Judea and Samaria, right?
There should be little wonder about why this kind of blatantly ethnocentric propaganda gets pushback.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)also do you believe that every Palestinian is guilty of what one or a group of Palestinians do? are the 8 deaths that occurred during Israel's military operation justified?
Kurska
(5,739 posts)By why complicate a narrative with facts.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)including that they were placed live and well into ambulances and then shot by Palestinians using stolen Israeli guns apparently but you believe that throwing stuff justifies a bullet at least when Palestinian kids do it
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I would suggest not throwing bricks at people with guns.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)Has someone ever hit you with a brick? Do you really not understand a brick could cause lethal trauma to someone?
Pictured, bricks. Probably not a good idea to chuck these at armed men in a dangerous situation.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)But if someone is chucking bricks at your head, you have my blessing to shoot them.
You know what could have prevented this entire situation?
Not throwing bricks at heavily armed men.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)with stolen Israeli guns after they were in the ambulances
PHemens
(6 posts)Jihadist groups have taken Iraq. Middle east region along with Israel is not safe.
Some comments on this thread are disgusting.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Neither side is blameless. Violence and bombings are not the answer and neither is oppression enforced with violence. Rockets are not the answer and neither are bullets, tanks, jails, walls and the continued taking of land and resources.
I doubt we will see an end to it in our lifetime. Neither side is willing to stop.
In fact I see the same unreasonable, unmovable venom coming from both sides right here on DU.... just minus the weapons.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Bingo. Both sides have copious blood on their hands, even if the body count isn't exactly symmetrical.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)question everything
(47,271 posts)Three young boys were kidnapped and killed in cold blood. Clearly searching the territories was a wise move as it obviously led to the finding. Can't you just put your Israeli hatred aside for one day?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oh wait but they're Palestinians-that makes it different right? and also do you believe that the 8 Palestinians who died during Israels military operation which by Israel's own admission was only in part to find the kids, to be justifiable deaths?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)about the welfare of their fellow Palestinians' lives. They do this kind of thing hoping to provoke the Israelis into escalating the harm.
Hamas has a pretty obvious smart reaction it can take--serve up the murderers on a plate to the Israelis, preferably alive.
But, we know what's coming, the cycle of abuses will continue, with the stronger party dishing out more pain.
7962
(11,841 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The occupation of Palestinian lands has gone on for 47 years now.
We got rid of an apartheid state in South Africa awhile ago. It's time to get rid of this one.
question everything
(47,271 posts)How pathetic that you guys cannot leave well enough alone.
Let those of us, decent folks, mourn these three young boys in peace.
OK?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I would wager my paycheck there was a fair amount of support for this here:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4531463,00.html
7962
(11,841 posts)And when you lose a war, sometimes you lose land. Israel has given back most of what they conquered.
Why arent the "palestinians" also calling for the return of Jordan, which was part of the original change? Why arent they allowed to become citizens of Jordan or Saudi Arabia? Why not stop firing rockets into Israel every day?
Look at Egypt. How many incidents have happened with them since the peace accords of Carter's admin? Few, if any.
You cant have peace with people who do not want peace.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)more deaths of their own people.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Hamas intentionally stages terror operations from locations where the risk of civilian casualties are high.
The terrorists' best weapon against Israel is a lazy press who goes with "if it bleeds, it leads."
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Seek help.
Alex P Notkeaton
(309 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I refuse to "pick a side" when each one indiscriminately hates, and devalues the lives of, the other. No real "good guys" here if you ask me.
Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)But some seem to have no problem hating another group who isn't either.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)In this case, I mostly just feel bad for average Israelis and average Palestinians who are simply trying to live their lives.
Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)obviously the people who did this are scum.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)To love and forgive.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)we have to wait for more details. did they even get into some car? or did someone shoot? them as they stood somewhere near the road. have the bodies been there all month.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Someone who posted this on Facebook added, "My own personal sources say that they were killed less than an hour after they were kidnapped. They were executed by gun shots to the head, and the bodies were burned and placed into shallow graves."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4536378,00.html
The three bodies were found around 6 pm in a shallow grave dug by their abductors in the wadi between Beit Khalil and Halhul. According to preliminary estimates, the boys were shot shortly after their kidnapping, as planned beforehand by the abductors.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sounds like they got the location of the bodies from some of the people they picked up, or perhaps the call to police/burned out car were clues for a search location.
Near the end of the article it said one of the boys made a call to local police that they were kidnapped.
The burned car photo is sad to see. They must have shot the boys right away, torched the car.
24601
(3,940 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)horrific to lose a child
meti57b
(3,584 posts)My deepest condolences to their families and friends.
We will not forget this.
I agree
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I hope they find the real killers.
KinMd
(966 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)have to gain by doing this horrific act right after forming a unity gov't?
Something just doesn't add up here...
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Hamas leadership are two groups:
1. Those that get money and power by keeping their people down. They need war or they lose power and influence.
2. Religious extremists, a tenant of such extreme religion being the murder of Jews for daring to cease to be dhminni.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Neo Nazis? The Jackal ? North Korea?
Who?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)They just don't have the guts to say it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)In this case .
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Insuring their "at war" stance, and providing the basis for endless employment?
Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #75)
Kurska This message was self-deleted by its author.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)name names please
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I mean that isn't 100% against the TOS or anything.
Nice try
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and your reply to me on the subject was absolutely no surprise either
Kurska
(5,739 posts)How do you reckon?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)therefore no discussion of actual facts, and I'll admit when I asked you to name names I suspected you would not, call it an exercise in how far ones convictions go, albeit the most you would have gotten was a deleted comment and trust me I would not have alerted it, I did not alert the one up thread aimed at me either, I prefer to call people on those sort of comments
Kurska
(5,739 posts)In this exact thread.
Reality isn't offensive.
I also rather like not having hidden comments and an increased chance of serving on the jury. I don't think I lack any strength of convictions, because I'm upholding the community standards I agreed to when I created my account.
JI7
(89,182 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)applegrove
(118,022 posts)fujiyama
(15,185 posts)It could be Hamas or some murderous psychos associated with Hamas. Or not associated at all. It's not likely there's a shortage of armed and violent gangs in those areas.
And what will happen in return? Well, Israel will likely launch some strikes, killing several Palestinians, most of whom will be completely innocent - including other children. And in turn that will create new terrorists and the cycle of violence will continue.
There isn't a stop to this madness.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And an example of why I have little patience for those who think either side of this conflict can do no wrong. Like I said, neither has any shortage of blood on its hands.
dembotoz
(16,740 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and the politics of it are just slightly different. make that majorly different.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).