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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:37 PM Jun 2014

Bodies of Three Missing Israeli Teens Found Near Hebron, Source Says

Source: ABC News

The bodies of three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped in the West Bank earlier this month have been found north of the city of Hebron, a source confirmed to ABC News today.

Hamas, the Palestinian militant group accused by Israel of taking the boys, has denied kidnapping the teens, though senior Israeli and Palestinian officials agree that the abductors were likely tied to -- or part of -- Hamas but operating without orders from the organization's leadership.

One of the teens, 16-year-old Naftali Frenkel, had dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship and his family is from Brooklyn, N.Y. The two others were Gilad Shaar and Eyal Yifrach.

Israeli forces have conducted raids in the West Bank in the search for the teens and their kidnappers since they were abducted on June 12. Since the search started, more than 240 Palestinians have been arrested in the operation dubbed "Brother's Keeper," the army said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/bodies-missing-israeli-teens-found-hebron-source/story?id=24367041

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Bodies of Three Missing Israeli Teens Found Near Hebron, Source Says (Original Post) Bosonic Jun 2014 OP
I'm so sorry to hear the news. Beacool Jun 2014 #1
I sure the teens were a big threat to the "palestinians" 7962 Jun 2014 #2
I'm sure the 240 people rounded up as collective punishment by the "israelis" were a big threat, too Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #4
Yeah, the Israelis killed 'em all, right? 7962 Jun 2014 #5
No only 6 during Brothers Keeper were outright shot oh and 2 elderly Palestinians who dropped dead azurnoir Jun 2014 #9
But, they don't count. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #11
I am curious of whether you are native American question everything Jun 2014 #25
Decency? Given Israel's behavior of late? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #36
Which would not have happened if the teens hadnt been kidnapped. 7962 Jun 2014 #15
"Case close" ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #17
I dont need to argue; the FACTS are what they are. Peace is there for those who want it. 7962 Jul 2014 #102
Or Israel could rename MyNameGoesHere Jun 2014 #18
Curious of what you know about the Warsaw Ghetto question everything Jun 2014 #27
Ah, even the slightest bit of reality translates ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #38
but that's not even close to reality. cali Jun 2014 #51
Educate yourself a bit MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #41
Tell us about what became of the Moroccan Quarter mere days after Israels occupation of E Jerusalem azurnoir Jun 2014 #52
Sure MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #53
Israel razed the Moroccan Quarter of E Jerusalem 3 days after occupying E Jerusalem azurnoir Jun 2014 #55
You might want to read your own link. MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #56
I posted the relevant part Israel razed the Moroccan Quarter 3 days post occupying EJ azurnoir Jun 2014 #58
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #70
are you calling me a Jew hater? yes or no and if its no then what relevence did that have? azurnoir Jun 2014 #71
Careful, FACTS are too much for some folks. nt 7962 Jul 2014 #100
You make too much sense! A lot of people here dont like that! Spouting facts and such! 7962 Jul 2014 #101
100% agreement leftynyc Jun 2014 #21
No it's just that some of us believe 2 wrongs do not make a right azurnoir Jun 2014 #31
It would have been nice to see leftynyc Jun 2014 #34
because some of us find propaganda campaigns targeting very young children (under 10 yrs) azurnoir Jun 2014 #37
So why didn't I see you loudly leftynyc Jun 2014 #39
I just told you why, I could ask azurnoir Jun 2014 #40
Not sure I understand MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #43
I see what you did there. stranger81 Jun 2014 #79
The 2 kids gunned down in Betunia that CNN caught was prior to the kidnappings azurnoir Jun 2014 #29
At least one of them attacked security forces with bricks if I recall Kurska Jun 2014 #59
ah ya and if that really happened I've heard all kinds of CT on this azurnoir Jun 2014 #60
If you don't want to be shot Kurska Jun 2014 #61
so then you feel a death sentence for Palestinian kids who throw stuff at IDF is justified? azurnoir Jun 2014 #62
It wasn't "stuff" it was a brick. Kurska Jun 2014 #63
a picture of brick thanks but once again do you feel this kid deserved to die? n/t azurnoir Jun 2014 #65
Self-defense isn't a matter of the person deserving to die or not. Kurska Jun 2014 #66
The only other source for the brick claim is the same one that claimed Palestinians shot the kids azurnoir Jul 2014 #81
Middle east not safe PHemens Jul 2014 #105
Agreed King_David Jun 2014 #47
Its a vicious circle Marrah_G Jun 2014 #68
"I doubt we will see an end to it in our lifetime. Neither side is willing to stop." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #84
where did you go? we were just getting started! snooper2 Jun 2014 #74
Sure, why not? Use any opportunity, any tragedy to spout about the "poor Palestinians." question everything Jun 2014 #23
the 2 kids shot in Betunia were also shot in cold blood it seems azurnoir Jun 2014 #30
I seriously doubt the pigs who murdered these kids care at all geek tragedy Jun 2014 #6
Good point. They COULD stop the whole situation by doing so. But you're right, they wont. 7962 Jun 2014 #13
And poor little Israel is blameless, right? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #16
Can't you leave your Israel hating aside for one day? question everything Jun 2014 #24
That's asking too much of some people leftynyc Jun 2014 #35
Well, again, if they'd quit calling for Israel's destruction none of this would happen 7962 Jul 2014 #99
well, not the whole situation, but certainly they can avoid geek tragedy Jun 2014 #28
Correct, they don't MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #42
Your comment is depraved. tabasco Jul 2014 #106
And the unarmed Palestinian kids murdered by the IDF were just terrorists without weapons, right? Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #32
I guess indiscriminate collective blame is okay when applied to *some* ethnic groups... nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #85
Sure seems that way. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #86
It's just as wrong when applied to Israelis *or* Palestinians. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #88
Yes it is. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #89
Dehumanization of "the enemy" is one of the most shameful human qualities. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #91
Especially when it becomes all encompassing. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #92
Very sad. Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #3
Two hard things to do, that shouldn't be. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #7
Not good news for anyone.. nt Stuart G Jun 2014 #8
where they were found was very close to the spot they were hitchhiking from? Sunlei Jun 2014 #10
They were killed almost immediately starroute Jun 2014 #19
thanks for the link, that story has a lot of detail. Sunlei Jun 2014 #22
I realize it's a quote - but I personally dislike using "executed" when describing a murder. 24601 Jun 2014 #57
My heart goes out to the parents of these boys azurnoir Jun 2014 #12
I am very sad and also disappointed to hear of this. meti57b Jun 2014 #14
+ 1000 Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #20
+10 840high Jun 2014 #72
Very sad lunatica Jun 2014 #26
Israel will hit Hamas hard..like it or not KinMd Jun 2014 #33
Which is why I have doubts that Hamas is involved. Just what would they Purveyor Jun 2014 #44
Looking for logic in all the wrong places MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #46
I do not think the fact that Hamas did this is in doubt.nt King_David Jun 2014 #48
I'll wait for some 'real' evidence, thank you. eom Purveyor Jun 2014 #49
There's a chance it was another group ? King_David Jun 2014 #50
Freemasons. (j/k) MosheFeingold Jun 2014 #54
We all know who they think it is. Kurska Jun 2014 #64
Oh , give it time... King_David Jun 2014 #69
Two hours and four minutes. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #76
Yes but I'm sure he forgot the sarcasm thingy King_David Jun 2014 #77
Mossad? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Jun 2014 #78
Really what would that be and who thinks it? do you have the guts (your quote) to say it? azurnoir Jul 2014 #82
What a great idea, I should totally call out other Duers. Kurska Jul 2014 #83
ah you self deleted the comment n/t azurnoir Jul 2014 #90
That was from awhile ago, did you even read it? n/t Kurska Jul 2014 #93
actually I was wrong you left the offensive comment I replied to azurnoir Jul 2014 #94
"Offensive comment" Huh? Kurska Jul 2014 #95
well you cast aspersions at DUers and refuse to back them up that's why azurnoir Jul 2014 #96
I think my aspersions were completely justified, given someone did exactly what I said Kurska Jul 2014 #97
very sad JI7 Jun 2014 #45
Very sad Marrah_G Jun 2014 #67
One of those kids is American. The FBI is involved. applegrove Jun 2014 #73
Still kind of early to tell exactly who was behind it fujiyama Jul 2014 #80
Awful, disgusting, senseless. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #87
lots of teens get gunned down in the good ole usa and nary a ripple--just saying dembotoz Jul 2014 #98
they weren't gunned down. they were kidnapped and executed. cali Jul 2014 #104
Previously unknown jihadis are claiming responsibility for both kidnappings and killings. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #103

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
1. I'm so sorry to hear the news.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jun 2014

They were so young. My thoughts and prayers are with their families.

Rest in peace.......

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
2. I sure the teens were a big threat to the "palestinians"
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

This is why there will never be an agreement.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. I'm sure the 240 people rounded up as collective punishment by the "israelis" were a big threat, too
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jun 2014

Let's not even talk about the decades of occupation and repression. It's all about three kids, whose lives are worth more than any Palestinian life.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. No only 6 during Brothers Keeper were outright shot oh and 2 elderly Palestinians who dropped dead
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jun 2014

of heart attacks when IDF broke into their homes in the middle of the night and the 2 kids shot in cold blood by IDF in front of CNN's cameras last month

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
11. But, they don't count.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

Heck, they don't even belong there. Who cares if after World War II President Truman and others decided against Kenya and in favor of taking land away from the indigenous folks. Thousands. Many thousands. Whose families lived there for generations.

Yes, the right thing to do is to arrest everyone in sight, and shoot a few to make a point.

question everything

(47,271 posts)
25. I am curious of whether you are native American
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014

Because if you are not, you don't belong in this country. That is, if you are posting from the U.S.

Either way, how pathetic to use such a sad occasion to spout your Israel hatred. Have you no shame? Have you no decency?

For at least one day?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. Which would not have happened if the teens hadnt been kidnapped.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jun 2014

Much like in the US, if someone dies because you committed a crime, you are guilty. Its their own damn fault for continuing this activity.
None of it would happen if Hamas, et al, would stop attacking Israel. Rockets daily, attacks on civilians, etc. Its up to them if they want peace. They dont. They want Israel's destruction. They dont deny it. Case closed.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,846 posts)
17. "Case close"
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jun 2014

Spoken like someone who knows they don't have an argument outside of their own bigotry and xenophobia.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
102. I dont need to argue; the FACTS are what they are. Peace is there for those who want it.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jul 2014

The "palestinians" dont want it and prove it daily.

question everything

(47,271 posts)
27. Curious of what you know about the Warsaw Ghetto
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jun 2014

or are you just repeating the hatred and indecency spouting here.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
38. Ah, even the slightest bit of reality translates
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jun 2014

in your mind, to spouting hatred and indecency.

Ok, good to know.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
51. but that's not even close to reality.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:41 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, Gaza is horrible. No, it's not even close to analogous to the Warsaw Ghetto. Not all injustices are equal in their magnitude

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
41. Educate yourself a bit
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jun 2014

Start by finding out that "Arab East Jerusalem" became "arab" (and Judenfrei) due to ethnic cleansing by arabs in 1929 who attacked and killed Jewish residents who had lived there for generation upon generation.

Then move on to find out that Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria are actually OK places to live economically, have gotten more per capita foreign aid than any country, ever. Their political leaders are, however, insane. The number one donor to them is . . . . Israel.

Then --- if you dare --- find out that Israel has offered a two state solution since prior to the founding in 1948, and repeatedly since, on the condition that the resulting Arab country recognize Israel and not attempt to attack it. The Arabs refuse this condition, regardless of borders. Israel and the Jews must be dhminnis.

Finally, if you really feel adventurous, find out that 20% or so of Israeli citizens are Arab. Unlike Arabs in neighboring countries, Israeli Arabs can vote, serve in the military (or not), be any religion (or no religion) they want, be gay, be straight, drink beer, don't drink beer, go to free school, have premarital sex without an honor killing, etc. Repeated polls show the happiest, most content, most free, most middle-class, Arabs in the entire Middle East reside in Israel.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
52. Tell us about what became of the Moroccan Quarter mere days after Israels occupation of E Jerusalem
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:41 PM
Jun 2014

can you share that with us?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
53. Sure
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jun 2014

In 1948, the Jordanian forces invaded and occupied the Old City of Jerusalem (both the Jewish Quarter and the Moroccan Quarter -- which was previously called the "Mixed Quarter" because everyone lived there until the pogrom of 1929 when Jews were expelled) in an attempt to kill all the Jews. At least 1500 long-time Jewish residents fled as their homes were destroyed. Many were killed.

Abowd, The Moroccan Quarter: A History of the Present, in: Jerusalem Quarterly File (Institute of Jerusalem Studies), no. 7 (2000), pp. 6-1

The rag-tag IDF counterattack and began to regain this portion of the city. Much of the area was harmed in the fighting. The fleeing Jordanians shelled mercilessly and the Old City was ravaged, effectively making it uninhabitable.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-cements-ownership-of-jewish-quarter-in-jerusalem-s-old-city-1.241108

(Not a huge mystery. Concentrated artillery fire in about a 40 acre plot blew up a lot of buildings.)

Because the Jordanians refused to accept the lower-class Arab residents (and other refugees were dumped or found their way there), the area became a massive slum after the 1948 destruction. It had no sanitation, limited utilities, and collapsing buildings.

After many offers were made to purchase the properties and pay various residents (primarily squatters) for the land, the area was legally condemned, emminent domain used to take the land, and, as part of the 1967 fighting, cleared, with great care being taken to pay former residents far more than the market value of their land. It was traumatic to all involved and hard decisions were made.

http://books.google.co.il/books?id=erxEctr2oUUC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=Hajja+Rasmia+Tabaki,&source=bl&ots=BK_TvnOZO7&sig=i007Tf26X6TZ2SQVRdZ1QJj5INI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hrqYUbyqDueC4AT5kIDwBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Hajja%20Rasmia%20Tabaki%2C&f=true

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
55. Israel razed the Moroccan Quarter of E Jerusalem 3 days after occupying E Jerusalem
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:04 PM
Jun 2014

The Moroccan Quarter[1] or Mughrabi Quarter[2] (Arabic حارَة المَغارِبة Hārat al-Maghāriba) was an 800-year old[citation needed] neighborhood in the southeast corner of the Old City of Jerusalem, bordering on the western wall of the Temple Mount on the east, the Old City walls on the south (including the Dung Gate) and the Jewish Quarter to the west. It was an extension of the Muslim Quarter to the north, and was founded by a son of Saladin in the late 12th century.[3]

The quarter was razed three days after the Six-Day War in order to broaden the narrow alley leading to the Western Wall and prepare it for public access by Jews seeking to pray there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Quarter

but your spin was indeed ummm interesting

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
58. I posted the relevant part Israel razed the Moroccan Quarter 3 days post occupying EJ
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014

now justify that however you wish and please do presume I have not read the what I posted

Response to azurnoir (Reply #58)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
71. are you calling me a Jew hater? yes or no and if its no then what relevence did that have?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

are you couragous enough to answer that?

and now about what my link says here it is-

The demolition was approved by the Mayor of Jerusalem Teddy Kollek, who wrote about it in his 1978 autobiography.[20][21] In a letter to the United Nations, the Israeli government stated that the buildings were demolished after the Jordanian government had allowed the neighborhood to become a slum area.[22] The work was done quickly in anticipation of a huge crowd of Jewish worshipers, who would be able to pray at the wall for the first time in 19 years.[1][21] Lieutenant Colonel Yaakov Salman, the deputy military governor in charge of the operation, aware of possible legal trouble on account of the Geneva Convention, had brought documents from the East Jerusalem municipality testifying to the poor sanitary conditions in the neighborhood and Jordanian plans to eventually evacuate it.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Quarter

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
31. No it's just that some of us believe 2 wrongs do not make a right
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

and it could seem that some of us believe that it is not wrong to punish all Palestinians for what was done by a couple of individuals though

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
37. because some of us find propaganda campaigns targeting very young children (under 10 yrs)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jun 2014

offensive

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
40. I just told you why, I could ask
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jun 2014

why didn't we se you condemning the cold blooded killing of 2 Palestinian kids? but such questions really have a "have you now or ever" ring about them

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
43. Not sure I understand
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

I doubt most people here know the kidnapping was widely celebrated in Arab-occupied Judea.

Or, for that matter, that the Arabs in Judea danced and celebrated the attack on the WTC on 9/11:

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
79. I see what you did there.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:59 PM
Jun 2014

There are no "Palestinians," right -- just undifferentiated "Arabs" who could all go live in Jordan or something.

And there is no West Bank or Gaza, only Judea and Samaria, right?

There should be little wonder about why this kind of blatantly ethnocentric propaganda gets pushback.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. The 2 kids gunned down in Betunia that CNN caught was prior to the kidnappings
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:57 PM
Jun 2014

also do you believe that every Palestinian is guilty of what one or a group of Palestinians do? are the 8 deaths that occurred during Israel's military operation justified?

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
59. At least one of them attacked security forces with bricks if I recall
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jun 2014

By why complicate a narrative with facts.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
60. ah ya and if that really happened I've heard all kinds of CT on this
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:16 PM
Jun 2014

including that they were placed live and well into ambulances and then shot by Palestinians using stolen Israeli guns apparently but you believe that throwing stuff justifies a bullet at least when Palestinian kids do it

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
63. It wasn't "stuff" it was a brick.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jun 2014

Has someone ever hit you with a brick? Do you really not understand a brick could cause lethal trauma to someone?



Pictured, bricks. Probably not a good idea to chuck these at armed men in a dangerous situation.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
66. Self-defense isn't a matter of the person deserving to die or not.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jun 2014

But if someone is chucking bricks at your head, you have my blessing to shoot them.

You know what could have prevented this entire situation?

Not throwing bricks at heavily armed men.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
81. The only other source for the brick claim is the same one that claimed Palestinians shot the kids
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jul 2014

with stolen Israeli guns after they were in the ambulances

 

PHemens

(6 posts)
105. Middle east not safe
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jul 2014

Jihadist groups have taken Iraq. Middle east region along with Israel is not safe.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
68. Its a vicious circle
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jun 2014

Neither side is blameless. Violence and bombings are not the answer and neither is oppression enforced with violence. Rockets are not the answer and neither are bullets, tanks, jails, walls and the continued taking of land and resources.

I doubt we will see an end to it in our lifetime. Neither side is willing to stop.

In fact I see the same unreasonable, unmovable venom coming from both sides right here on DU.... just minus the weapons.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
84. "I doubt we will see an end to it in our lifetime. Neither side is willing to stop."
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:24 AM
Jul 2014

Bingo. Both sides have copious blood on their hands, even if the body count isn't exactly symmetrical.

question everything

(47,271 posts)
23. Sure, why not? Use any opportunity, any tragedy to spout about the "poor Palestinians."
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

Three young boys were kidnapped and killed in cold blood. Clearly searching the territories was a wise move as it obviously led to the finding. Can't you just put your Israeli hatred aside for one day?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
30. the 2 kids shot in Betunia were also shot in cold blood it seems
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jun 2014

oh wait but they're Palestinians-that makes it different right? and also do you believe that the 8 Palestinians who died during Israels military operation which by Israel's own admission was only in part to find the kids, to be justifiable deaths?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. I seriously doubt the pigs who murdered these kids care at all
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014

about the welfare of their fellow Palestinians' lives. They do this kind of thing hoping to provoke the Israelis into escalating the harm.

Hamas has a pretty obvious smart reaction it can take--serve up the murderers on a plate to the Israelis, preferably alive.

But, we know what's coming, the cycle of abuses will continue, with the stronger party dishing out more pain.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. And poor little Israel is blameless, right?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

The occupation of Palestinian lands has gone on for 47 years now.

We got rid of an apartheid state in South Africa awhile ago. It's time to get rid of this one.

question everything

(47,271 posts)
24. Can't you leave your Israel hating aside for one day?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jun 2014

How pathetic that you guys cannot leave well enough alone.

Let those of us, decent folks, mourn these three young boys in peace.

OK?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
99. Well, again, if they'd quit calling for Israel's destruction none of this would happen
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jul 2014

And when you lose a war, sometimes you lose land. Israel has given back most of what they conquered.
Why arent the "palestinians" also calling for the return of Jordan, which was part of the original change? Why arent they allowed to become citizens of Jordan or Saudi Arabia? Why not stop firing rockets into Israel every day?
Look at Egypt. How many incidents have happened with them since the peace accords of Carter's admin? Few, if any.
You cant have peace with people who do not want peace.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
42. Correct, they don't
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jun 2014

Hamas intentionally stages terror operations from locations where the risk of civilian casualties are high.

The terrorists' best weapon against Israel is a lazy press who goes with "if it bleeds, it leads."

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
88. It's just as wrong when applied to Israelis *or* Palestinians.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:30 AM
Jul 2014

I refuse to "pick a side" when each one indiscriminately hates, and devalues the lives of, the other. No real "good guys" here if you ask me.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
91. Dehumanization of "the enemy" is one of the most shameful human qualities.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jul 2014

In this case, I mostly just feel bad for average Israelis and average Palestinians who are simply trying to live their lives.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. where they were found was very close to the spot they were hitchhiking from?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jun 2014

we have to wait for more details. did they even get into some car? or did someone shoot? them as they stood somewhere near the road. have the bodies been there all month.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
19. They were killed almost immediately
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jun 2014

Someone who posted this on Facebook added, "My own personal sources say that they were killed less than an hour after they were kidnapped. They were executed by gun shots to the head, and the bodies were burned and placed into shallow graves."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4536378,00.html

The three bodies were found around 6 pm in a shallow grave dug by their abductors in the wadi between Beit Khalil and Halhul. According to preliminary estimates, the boys were shot shortly after their kidnapping, as planned beforehand by the abductors.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. thanks for the link, that story has a lot of detail.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

Sounds like they got the location of the bodies from some of the people they picked up, or perhaps the call to police/burned out car were clues for a search location.

Near the end of the article it said one of the boys made a call to local police that they were kidnapped.

The burned car photo is sad to see. They must have shot the boys right away, torched the car.

meti57b

(3,584 posts)
14. I am very sad and also disappointed to hear of this.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

My deepest condolences to their families and friends.

We will not forget this.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
44. Which is why I have doubts that Hamas is involved. Just what would they
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jun 2014

have to gain by doing this horrific act right after forming a unity gov't?

Something just doesn't add up here...

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
46. Looking for logic in all the wrong places
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

Hamas leadership are two groups:

1. Those that get money and power by keeping their people down. They need war or they lose power and influence.

2. Religious extremists, a tenant of such extreme religion being the murder of Jews for daring to cease to be dhminni.

Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #75)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
82. Really what would that be and who thinks it? do you have the guts (your quote) to say it?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:47 AM
Jul 2014

name names please

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
83. What a great idea, I should totally call out other Duers.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jul 2014

I mean that isn't 100% against the TOS or anything.

Nice try


azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
94. actually I was wrong you left the offensive comment I replied to
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:58 AM
Jul 2014

and your reply to me on the subject was absolutely no surprise either

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
96. well you cast aspersions at DUers and refuse to back them up that's why
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:04 AM
Jul 2014

therefore no discussion of actual facts, and I'll admit when I asked you to name names I suspected you would not, call it an exercise in how far ones convictions go, albeit the most you would have gotten was a deleted comment and trust me I would not have alerted it, I did not alert the one up thread aimed at me either, I prefer to call people on those sort of comments

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
97. I think my aspersions were completely justified, given someone did exactly what I said
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:07 AM
Jul 2014

In this exact thread.

Reality isn't offensive.

I also rather like not having hidden comments and an increased chance of serving on the jury. I don't think I lack any strength of convictions, because I'm upholding the community standards I agreed to when I created my account.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
80. Still kind of early to tell exactly who was behind it
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jul 2014

It could be Hamas or some murderous psychos associated with Hamas. Or not associated at all. It's not likely there's a shortage of armed and violent gangs in those areas.

And what will happen in return? Well, Israel will likely launch some strikes, killing several Palestinians, most of whom will be completely innocent - including other children. And in turn that will create new terrorists and the cycle of violence will continue.

There isn't a stop to this madness.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
87. Awful, disgusting, senseless.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jul 2014

And an example of why I have little patience for those who think either side of this conflict can do no wrong. Like I said, neither has any shortage of blood on its hands.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
104. they weren't gunned down. they were kidnapped and executed.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jul 2014

and the politics of it are just slightly different. make that majorly different.

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