Ferguson prosecutor says he knew some witnesses were ‘clearly not telling the truth.’ They testified
Source: Washington Post
Ferguson prosecutor says he knew some witnesses were clearly not telling the truth. They testified anyway.
By Peter Holley December 20 at 7:00 PM
St. Louis County prosecuting attorney Bob McColluch knowingly placed witnesses who were not telling the truth in front of grand jurors investigating this summers police officer-involved shooting death of Michael Brown, according to a radio interview he gave Friday.
After nearly a month of silence following the the grand jurys decision not to indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, McCulloch told St. Louis radio station KTRS 550 AM that some of the witnesses were clearly not telling the truth, but were allowed them to testify anyway.
Early on, I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything was gonna be presented to the grand jury, McCulloch said, noting that And I knew that no matter how I handled this, there would be criticism of it. So if I didnt put those witnesses on, then wed be discussing now why I didnt put those witnesses on, even though their statements were not accurate.
On Monday, the Smoking Gun published a story revealing the identity and troubled history of Witness 40, a woman whose elaborate story of witnessing Browns death was allegedly taken from newspaper accounts. The woman, who told investigators that she is racist, bi-polar and has raised money for Wilson, approached prosecutors five weeks after the Aug. 9 shooting. In a journal entry that she showed the grand jury, the woman said she had driven through Ferguson at the time of the shooting so I stop calling Blacks N and Start calling them People.
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Jim__
(14,074 posts)I remember him quoting a grand juror saying something like Brown put his head and charged Wilson like a football player. Wasn't that the testimony of witness #40?
Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)over and over and over, sometimes adding dramatic emphasis, pauses, extra words so the Fox audience would "get it" and remember how that criminal, who was shot repeatedly decided to just go for broke and "charge like a football player" right at that poor policeman who only had his police revolver to shoot him some more.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Witness #10 (whose account has similar problems to Witness #40's) also stated that Brown charged Wilson.
I wish to point out that the scumbag McCulloch said that Grand Jurors did not believe the 16 eyewitnesses who testified in one form or another that Brown had raised his hands in surrender or was no longer resisting in any meaningful way, because those witnesses had 'changed their stories.' However - and this is a HUGE HOWEVER - witnesses #40 and #10 also changed their stories numerous times. A gross miscarriage of justice thus occurred in the grand jury rooms of St. Louis County in Clayton; McCulloch conspired to obstruct justice and should be facing federal indictment along with his underlings, ADAs Alizadeh and Whirley.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Suborning perjury, it is unethical and illegal to knowingly allow false testimony.He should be up on that charge, he should lose his license and be charged and tried on it along with malfeasance in not charging those witnesses with perjury ...
Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He's mister bigshot district attorney. The only real consequence he'll face is that the whole thing may hurt his career in the future.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)That our so far fairly ineffectual justice department will step up to the plate on this. He has admitted it publicly so he has no real defense and they have no real excuse.
Sadly you are probably right.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)because Nixon is term limited. My theory is he tried to play it too safe by making sure there was no indictment so not to piss off the white conservatives and it backfired on him.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)24601
(3,959 posts)aspect of convincing someone to lie under oath - or the act of procuring someone to lie under oath. Neither of those are present in the circumstances presented.
You may wish to review the information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subornation_of_perjury
Sometimes a Defense Attorney is faced with a client who insists on taking the stand to lie. In most jurisdictions, the attorney is ethically obligated to withdraw from the case, and failing to do so is a violation of the bar's code of conduct, but does not constitute suborning perjury.
In the Ferguson case, the States Attorney is "the people's" attorney at large and is not the personal attorney of anyone testifying before a grand jury.
When a DA, State's Attorney or US Attorney subpoenas a witness who lies, that attorney has bit suborned perjury - but may be in a position to charge the witness with perjury after the fact.
It seems to me that this part applies somewhat.
In American law and in Scots law the subornation of perjury is the crime of persuading a person to commit perjury the swearing of a false oath to tell the truth in a legal proceeding, be it spoken or written. The term subornation of perjury further describes the circumstance wherein an attorney at law causes a client to lie under oath, or allows another party to lie under oath.[1][2]
Regardless of his position in that he is the "peoples" attorney he is still allowing someone to lie under oath and has admitted to foreknowledge.. If he isn't guilty of suborning perjury he is at least guilty of a severe violation of a code of ethics.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)any information that he/she knows to be false.
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/comment_on_rule_3_3.html
Now, it could be argued that "knowing" is different from "strongly suspecting" ... but that would be difficult to argue, with his statement to he knew that some of the witnesses were lying.
That said ... I would love for the family of Michael Brown to file a bar complaint against McCollum, as his statement would be prima facie evidence of a violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct.
24601
(3,959 posts)dismissed requires more than a belief that you have been wronged.
Fast forward to a crime family in the Southern District of New York planning to cause trouble the the US Attorney by lying to the Grand Jury.
"I got it all figured out, boss. I'm gonna lie to the grand jury."
"You're gonna what, you moran?"
"I'm gonna lie, boss - and then he will be in big trouble with the Attorney General and the courts, because he's the one who subpoenaed us. He should have known that we are lying scum and would lie to the Grand Jury. Boy, he might even get indicted."
"I'm right, you ARE a friggen MORAN! You are the only one who is going to be indicted."
"But boss, I got it all figured out."
"He ain't your attorney dumbass - and he's in no way, shape or form trying to convince you to lie. And there is no way he can be sure you're going to lie. As soon as you swear to tell truth, he can expect that you will tell the truth or take the fifth. If you don't he can take you down. You're sending your own stupid self to jail - the US Attorney is just expediting your trip."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The "Fast forward" gives drama to what I was trying to explain.
But I was not saying sue (sue whom and for what?) ... I am suggesting filing a Bar complaint, though.
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)mrdmk
(2,943 posts)NO SHIT SHERLOCK
The real truth of the matter is the so-called prosecutor is also part of the problem, he needs to be removed
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)This prosecutor shows the world that America is not what it claims to be. And that's the saddest part of this whole fiasco. Now, 2 policemen in NYC are dead, and they may have been good ones.
lark
(23,083 posts)Knowingly throwing the trial so that the police officer got off is no joke. Allowing the lies, not questioning them, then even relying on what he knew to be lies to get Wilson off is reprehensible and dereliction of duty. He sees his duty as being to "the man", not the people. Willing to abide murder, as long as it's done by cop. Reasons aren't needed for him and his ilk. He should absolutely be removed from office, but that won't happen either.
I hardly recognize this country anymore.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)What did he know and when did he know it?
And then the answer that it really does not matter when, he is as guilty as Darren Wilson and should lose his job, law license and freedom. He needs to do time, general population time, no country club prison and never be allowed to practice law again since he clearly has no respect for it.
diabeticman
(3,121 posts)sammy750
(165 posts)the marches across this nation. He is to blame for the deaths of any cops because of misconduct with the grand jury. I hope Gov. Nixon has the B*lls to fire this guy. Love to see McColluch behind bars for 20/30 years. DA and prosecutors think they can lie to get a conviction, but sometimes that backfires. Lets make McColluch a lesson in how not to present LIES to the Grand Jury.
This guy is a criminal but walking free as are some killer cops.
santroy79
(193 posts)that he knew were lying about him being shot in the back.
went both ways
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Throw enough random shit at the GJ & they'll vote No True Bill in their bafflement.
The GJ system is a failure in general, and a deliberately manipulated failure in this specific instance. The usual procedure, flawed as it is, is for the prosecutor to present only the case against the defendant, not "both sides" (or whatever McCulloch pretends he was doing there).
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Send this guy to court - to be tried.
hugo_from_TN
(1,069 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)witnesses on the stand that he "knew/suspected were lying" (if his "I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything was gonna be presented to the grand jury" (after-thought) explanation is to be accepted; but rather, his treatment of those witnesses. If he challenged the "on his knees, pleading for his life" witness, he should have also challenged "Witness 40."
I would say, the prudent, fair minded prosecutor would not have placed anyone he knew/suspect was not being truthfully on the stand ... But since I don't believe a word of his "I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything was gonna be presented to the grand jury" (after-thought) explanation" ... all I will say is, B.S.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)For example, the ones saying they saw him shot in the back while running away, or shot multiple times while lying on the ground. The forensic evidence clearly shows this was impossible just based on wound channels.
A lot of people should have been weeded out before the grand jury, IMO, on both sides of the spectrum.
adieu
(1,009 posts)whether this DA allowed fabricated witness testimony that implicated Darren Wilson as a cold-blooded murderer.
If not, how come he didn't seek that out?
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Since I am sure DoJ and the state will not.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The question is, can or will the bar association take action. Does someone with standing have to make a complaint, what is the procedure, etc.