Backlash, finger-pointing begin after 2 NYPD officers are ambushed, killed
Source: CNN
By Faith Karimi, CNN
updated 5:59 AM EST, Sun December 21, 2014
(CNN) -- Not too long after a man ambushed and killed two police officers sitting in a patrol car in New York City , the finger-pointing started.
Ismaaiyl Brinsley walked up to officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos on Saturday in Brooklyn, and shot both in the head, authorities said.
Police said he later used the same gun to commit suicide.
Former New York Gov. George Pataki and police union officials quickly lashed out at Mayor Bill de Blasio, whom they accused of putting officers' lives at risk with his support for recent protests.
Police officers gathered at the hospital where the slain officers were taken followed suit. When the mayor entered a news conference to condemn the killings, they turned their backs on him.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/21/us/new-york-police-officers-shot-reax/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
And so the politicism of a tragedy begins. How scummy can they be?
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)It's open season on blacks all over the country by police. What did anyone expect to happen? I'm not saying I agree with it, but I expected it. The sad part of it all is that these particular policemen may have been good ones.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)I was hoping he was not Black or Muslim.
Because then the stereotyping starts....
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)bit they aren't one was asian the other can't say. if your using race here. of course nevermind that supposedly the online note says the murderer had said the protestors have blood on their hands.
Reter
(2,188 posts)That area is heavily AA.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Turning their backs on a popular mayor about to give speech condemning the attacks sends a horrible message.
This is a terrible case of projection. Cops are not the ones under siege, they are the ones laying siege to the public.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)and an interesting perspective.
It exposes them as back-biting, ungrateful, and incapable of channeling or controlling their anger.
Petulant children, prone to tantrums.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Got any recent poll numbers?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That is pretty popular.
Currently he is very popular with non-whites.
Whites, not so much.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/nyregion/de-blasios-approval-rating-wanes-but-is-still-strong-quinnipiac-poll-finds.html?_r=0
So what is your point?
THECHOSEN1
(36 posts)not the mayor, I'm a New Yorker and I can't say he is very popular. He may have been six months ago but I'm not sure he would win a high school student body seat if he ran today.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)THECHOSEN1
(36 posts)You may hate the police but without them there is no law and order. Try it without them for a while. He can't run the City without them and I believe he is finally realizing it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)First of all, when cops are killing, sodomizing, stealing, assaulting, etc there is no effective law and order.
Second, you have the cart before the horse. We cops because we have laws and desire 'order' (whatever that truly means in human society), not the other way around.
Third, no one is talking about getting rid of cops. There should be drastically different standards for policing, which means that most cops need to be replaced, or at least their leadership.
Finally, your last statement underscores a problem with cop culture. The mayor and council members 'run' the city. The cops are there to enforce the will of the governed not the other way around.
DFW
(54,302 posts)It seems to me that dirty (or unqualified) cops around the country have been taking heart at the fact that killer cops around the country have almost always been able to get away with their deeds without the slightest bit of disciplinary action, much less prosecution. The lack of risk from improper use of force only reinforces the willingness to shoot first and ask question later by their fellow cops around the country. Cops read the papers and watch TV news, too.
It was inevitable that someone with a gun (which seems to be most everybody back in the States, these days) would snap and attack some cops at random, and probably kill good cops in their indiscriminate rage. We as a country had better fervently hope that there aren't any other nut cases out there willing to go on copy-cat rampages. The national news media has just told every last one of them that hunting season has started. Because this nut from Baltimore gunned down two cops at random, how many more innocents around the country will now die at police hands, now that the nerves of cops nationwide will be on edge for at least a year? I bet it won't be a week before we hear of the next one. I'd love to be proved wrong.
benld74
(9,901 posts)Bragi
(7,650 posts)You wrote: "The national news media has just told every last one of them that hunting season has started."
Not sure of your point. Do you think national media should refuse to report/cover up a shooting of this sort?
DFW
(54,302 posts)What I meant that was that every deranged mind that may have been this side of not doing what this guy did may now be inspired to go ahead with acting out their fantasy now that one has finally done it. I didn't say that it shouldn't have been reported. What I meant was that all it took was for one person to go over the line, and others would have less inhibitions about acting out their own fantasy.
Bragi
(7,650 posts)I agree with you, that it may inspire copy-cat shootings.
DFW
(54,302 posts)That's exactly what I was trying to get at.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)one wants to admit it or not. Especially when such a tragedy involves firearms, given our long-running political debate over the place of firearms in society.
I'm not surprised in the least that the police union 'went there', but the flip side of the coin is that IF they were shot simply for being police, the reality is that they wouldn't have been had other police not been abusing their power to intimidate, harass, even murder without legal repercussions.
If this is going to become a 'war', police who abused their positions of power started it, not those who pointed out that such abused of power need to stop.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)run for president too. The clown car will have to be a bozo bus this time.
StevePaulson
(174 posts)Time to end "shoot to kill every single time" policies by police. If the police don't see a gun, they can't shoot to kill. Period. Nationwide. Thousands of lives will be spared. BTW when someone has a gun, and there is no one around, maybe police could pull up a ways off and tell the "person/child" to drop the weapon. Just a thought.
I will never discount the fact that the police is all there is to protect my family from nasty people. They just need to be held accountable when they screw up, just like the rest of us.
That said, the police are the force used to keep homey (and all poor people) down, so their families can be plundered by Corporate Amerika, and the billionaires who own the politicians who run it.
former9thward
(31,949 posts)320 people were killed by police for all reasons in 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2013