The biggest mystery in mathematics: Shinichi Mochizuki and the impenetrable proof
The biggest mystery in mathematics: Shinichi Mochizuki and the impenetrable proof
A Japanese mathematician claims to have solved one of the most important problems in his field. The trouble is, hardly anyone can work out whether he's right.
Davide Castelvecchi
07 October 2015 Corrected: 07 October 2015, 15 October 2015
Sometime on the morning of 30 August 2012, Shinichi Mochizuki quietly posted four papers on his website.
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In December, the first workshop on the proof outside of Asia will take place in Oxford, UK.
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Fesenko has studied Mochizuki's work in detail over the past year, visited him at RIMS again in the autumn of 2014 and says that he has now verified the proof. (The other three mathematicians who say they have corroborated it have also spent considerable time working alongside Mochizuki in Japan.)
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But so far, the few who have understood the work have struggled to explain it to anyone else. Everybody who I'm aware of who's come close to this stuff is quite reasonable, but afterwards they become incapable of communicating it, says one mathematician who did not want his name to be mentioned. The situation, he says, reminds him of the Monty Python skit about a writer who jots down the world's funniest joke. Anyone who reads it dies from laughing and can never relate it to anyone else.
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(27,509 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,250 posts)...referenced in the article. I used a lot of his results - the basis for much of my work really. Algebraic geometry is super fucking hard abstract shit - so is number theory. The two fields are the hardest in all of math. I can see why others would likely find this new work impenetrable. The latest stuff really is backing up against the limits of human intellect. Like the article says, it would take a grad student 10 years to begin to touch this guy's paper. This guy could only do the work by isolating himself for total concentration...which is why I left academia. I wanted a more fun lifestyle.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Why spend time on it? Does it have any human use? I know I'm asking the "never use it in real life" question. Does it matter if this problem is ever solved?
sorechasm
(631 posts)Pythagoras, Hidab al-jabr wal-muqubala, Fibonacci, Gallileo, Newton, Einstein and thousands more we've never heard of who contributed to our universal understanding.
2000 years of Applied Scientists, Inventors, and Capitalists would have been lost without those contributions, often anonymous.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It is very fundamental, I can't think of anything more fundamental and yet more opaque than number theory, and yet all of our science is built on it. I am very interested to know what he is doing poking about in the foundations and set theory and the nexus between summation and multiplication, but I doubt I am up to the job, so I'll have to wait.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Our understanding of Quantum stuff is still pretty clunky, but we've been making progress on it and getting some amazing results. Getting "abstract" math sorted out will be similar- we will be able to calculate things with far more precision and efficiency.
struggle4progress
(118,237 posts)The computational complexity of number theory results from the relationships between addition and multiplication: in general, one does not understand much about the prime divisors of a + b in relation to those of a and b considered separately. An effective proof of the conjecture might be expected to yield good algorithms, though a proof by contradiction might not. Number theory can sometimes be extremely important in other branches of mathematics and in modern physics
Beyond that, there are also aesthetic attractions
bemildred
(90,061 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,637 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)Comes out to 42, I'd be really happy.
struggle4progress
(118,237 posts)http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6514
The Paradox of the Proof
By Caroline Chen
MAY 9, 2013
... His other papers theyre readable, I can understand them and theyre fantastic, says de Jong, who works in a similar field. Pacing in his office at Columbia University, de Jong shook his head as he recalled his first impression of the new papers. They were different. They were unreadable. After working in isolation for more than a decade, Mochizuki had built up a structure of mathematical language that only he could understand. To even begin to parse the four papers posted in August 2012, one would have to read through hundreds, maybe even thousands, of pages of previous work, none which had been vetted or peer-reviewed. It would take at least a year to read and understand everything. De Jong, who was about to go on sabbatical, briefly considered spending his year on Mochizukis papers, but when he saw height of the mountain ... I decided, I cant possibly work on this. It would drive me nuts ...
struggle4progress
(118,237 posts)... nobody understands what hes talking about, even people who really care .. and his write-ups dont help.
... heres an excerpt from the very beginning of the .. final paper:
If you look at the terminology .. you .. find many examples of mathematical objects that nobody has ever heard of: he introduces them in his tiny Mochizuki universe with one inhabitant ...
http://mathbabe.org/2012/11/14/the-abc-conjecture-has-not-been-proved/
struggle4progress
(118,237 posts)I'm nothing like an expert in the field, but one can often tell something from style and organization
On page one, he says (for example) "For convenience, we shall use the notation l* := (l - 1)/2" -- but then does nothing with this entirely trivial definition so far as I can tell. A nonexpert like myself can only be struck by the way the material apparently flits, without plot, between apparently impenetrable jargon and rather commonplace mathematics. Unfortunately, this is really not a good sign: it is, in fact, typical of papers written by cranks purporting to have proven difficult theorems. My guess is that his huge stack of paper would be waved off without second thought, but for the fact that he has done some stellar mathematical work in the past
We know that excellent mathematical work need not be immediately comprehensible (from the story of Galois, say); that an epochal paper may be short on proof and long on suggestive conjecture (from the story of Riemann, say); that brilliant intuition itself can be valuable (from the story of Ramanujan, say); that good work can remain controversial and will not necessarily meet instant acclaim (from the story of Cantor, say); and so on. But we also know that good minds are not immune to mental breakdown (from the story of Godel, say)
Lucky Luciano
(11,250 posts)He used them in the formulas. He did it because the typeset would get annoying (you will see what I mean).
A quick skim has him mentioning a lot of the mathematical constructs I did in grad school studying algebraic geometry...I have forgotten nearly all of it though. Seeing this reminds me how bloody hard it all is.
He would have picked off as a crank a long time ago had he been cranking on this. Not saying his work lacks errors, but he is legit.
struggle4progress
(118,237 posts)the proper place for a trivial definition would be closer to the actual first use, in a form like "where l* = &c"
The same might be said of his sudden introduction of the Gaussian integral on page 4, which then seems to be dropped
There are other objective reasons for concern: ... he has declined invitations to talk about it elsewhere. He does not speak to journalists; several requests for an interview for this story went unanswered. Mochizuki has replied to e-mails from other mathematicians and been forthcoming to colleagues who have visited him, but his only public input has been sporadic posts on his website. In December 2014, he wrote that to understand his work, there was a need for researchers to deactivate the thought patterns that they have installed in their brains and taken for granted for so many years ... This statement about the necessity of breaking mental habits may, of course, be true -- but it is also unfortunately the well-known standard complaint of cranks
Simple statements can certainly have long proofs: one thinks of the Feit-Thompson theorem, or the four-color theorem, or the classification of finite simple groups. The latter two examples, however, both raised the question, whether one really has a proof, if nobody can survey it. That completely correct proofs may seem initially impenetrable, until the apparently tricky parts suddenly become clear, is shown by the initial reception to Apéry's theorem. But the remark, that there is no better feeling in the world that the one you have between the time you first prove a theorem and the time you find the first mistake, has a certain sagacity. And there is a certain history of good mathematicians announcing proofs that have never been accepted: ten or fifteen years ago, I heard a good number theorist discuss a purported proof of the Riemann hypothesis, which involved such heavy layers of abstraction that in the end it was really rather unclear exactly what had been proved
The interplay between addition and multiplication is very tricky, as one discerns from the effort apparently needed to prove results approaching (say) the twin primes conjecture or Goldbach's conjecture. If Mochizuki has really provided new foundations that make possible a proof of abc, someone should be able to use that environment to obtain simple proofs of many less difficult theorems
Lucky Luciano
(11,250 posts)A few others, it seems, did invest done time to get through a lot if his work. There must be something there. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple bugs to iron out though. Still, he seems less crazy than Perleman after the Poincaré conjecture proof - which also took some years to verify.