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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:11 PM Oct 2015

Syria Is a Clusterf*ck, and It's About to Get Worse for the U.S.

I am getting ominous 1965 flashbacks again. Robert McNamara and Creighton Abrams are starting to appear in my mind's eye, pointing down a long, dark tunnel at the lights of an oncoming train.​

The debate over the proposed steps, which would for the first time position a limited number of Special Operations forces on the ground in Syria and put U.S. advisers closer to the firefights in Iraq, comes as Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter presses the military to deliver new options for greater military involvement in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. The changes would represent a significant escalation of the American role in Iraq and Syria. They still require formal approval from Obama, who could make a decision as soon as this week and could decide not to alter the current course, said U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the discussions are still ongoing. It's unclear how many additional troops would be required to implement the changes being considered by the president, but the number for now is likely to be relatively small, these officials said.


"The number for now…"

Those are two words—"for now"—that could be full of blood. There could be hundreds of American kids interred in those two words—"for now"—along with god knows how many Syrians and Iraqis. Once, we allegedly learned the folly of involving ourselves in a distant civil war. Now, we seem primed to involve ourselves in two of them. Our role seems to have been designed in a funhouse mirror.

The biggest problem facing Carter, and Obama, is that the increase in American military commitment would be unlikely to produce any major changes to the political situations in Iraq and Syria that have given rise to the Islamic State. In Iraq, the United States is fighting the Islamic State alongside Shiite militias—some of which are backed by Iran. Just across the border in Syria, Iran-backed Shiite militias are fighting in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who is barrel-bombing civilians and battling the moderate rebel groups that the United States is supporting. Obama has said that Assad, who depends on Iranian and Russian military backing for his regime's survival, must go for there to be any hope of peace.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39196/mission-creep-iraq-syria/
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Syria Is a Clusterf*ck, and It's About to Get Worse for the U.S. (Original Post) bemildred Oct 2015 OP
Where is the UN on this? Cayenne Oct 2015 #1
I doubt that Clinton supporters give a damn. cprise Oct 2015 #2
Syria isn't going to be any clusterfuck as long as Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #3
No offense, but Syria has been a clusterfuck for quite a while now. bemildred Oct 2015 #4
I meant it isn't going to be a clusterfuck for us... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #5
Yeah, we're too smart to get into clusterfucks. bemildred Oct 2015 #6
Either way, we're too heavily vested to back down now Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #7

Cayenne

(480 posts)
1. Where is the UN on this?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

"Assad must go" = "we must burn the village down in order to save it"

How many must die for 'regime change' and will it be worth it? Did we not learn anything from Iraq and Libya?

cprise

(8,445 posts)
2. I doubt that Clinton supporters give a damn.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:30 PM
Oct 2015

She is one who is partly responsible for the expanding mess.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. Syria isn't going to be any clusterfuck as long as
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:35 PM
Oct 2015

the Russians mind their manners... Remember they are the ones running the show over there, and they are the ones with boots on the ground...

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. No offense, but Syria has been a clusterfuck for quite a while now.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:42 PM
Oct 2015

Since Putin wants it, we should let him own it. It's not like we are doing ourselves or anybody else any good by thrashing around. I am sick and tired of posturing buffoons like Carter running around picking fights that he has no idea how to win.

If Putin can slap some sense into the Sauds and Turkey everybody including them will be better off. And if he fails, it's his show now.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. I meant it isn't going to be a clusterfuck for us...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

We're not going to let him "own" it lest he decide to expand to Turkey and elsewhere (RU jets have already "accidentally" breached Turkish airspace on several occasions)... Russian forces should be carefully observed to make sure they don't interfere too much with what we're trying to do over there...

Besides, there's still an outside chance we can get Putin to roll over on Assad (which is what we've wanted from the start), but we'd probably need some leverage or something to make that happen...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. Either way, we're too heavily vested to back down now
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:36 PM
Oct 2015

This is Putin's line in the sand -- I don't want us to cross it, but I don't want us to retreat from it, either...

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