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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:02 PM Mar 2016

Graduate sues law school for fraud

The Thomas Jefferson School of Law, in California, is going to trial today (March 7) for allegedly defrauding its students by manipulating data, inflating numbers, and counting some graduates as “employed” when they weren’t.

A former law student, who graduated at the top of her class, is suing her former school, as she has yet to find a full-time salaried job as a lawyer.

A report via the washingtonpost notes Anna Alaburda at the time of choosing to enroll at Thomas Jefferson having applied to a number of law schools with the San Diego school the only college accepting the woman who at the time had received a degree from New York University the year before.

She now has student debt of $170,000, with loan interest around 8 percent.

Graduates of law schools filed more than a dozen proposed class-action lawsuits in 2011 and 2012 alone, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The law school claims in court documents that Alaburda did very little research before enrolling at Thomas Jefferson, and is therefore responsible for her own false assumptions. This is because, she said, the job was less favourable than other non-law roles that were available at the time.

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Graduate sues law school for fraud (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2016 OP
There is a huge glut sharp_stick Mar 2016 #1
Know one that waits tables. Good restaurant big money for the job but didn't need a law degree Person 2713 Mar 2016 #2
We're in the midst of a Lawyer Bubble. Nitram Mar 2016 #3
Medicine zipplewrath Mar 2016 #4
What a load of whining. Daemonaquila Mar 2016 #5
The Debt is the problem as to why they need to make more money, though. KoKo Mar 2016 #11
The best solution is counter-intuitive FBaggins Mar 2016 #6
Hah - my friend is her lawyer for this case. He went to Berkeley. Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #7
Seriously, your friend is her attorney? Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #8
Yes - I know him well. Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #9
Very cool. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #10

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. There is a huge glut
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

of lawyers, especially new ones. I would never suggest anybody go to law school right now.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Medicine
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

Same way, I don't recommend law to anyone who wants to actually be a lawyer. Fine if it is instead of an MBA or something. But quite honestly, if you don't "know what you want to do", I'd suggest looking around the medical field. Everything from lab tech to physical therapy. There's a lot of 4 year programs in that field, and you can move on to various higher level positions through post graduate work.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
5. What a load of whining.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm a lawyer. I graduated with a ton of debt. Even before the crunch, full time firm jobs were not readily available. A few points...

1) 8 years, 150 job applications. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? That's all? When I was getting started, that would be about 3-4 months MAX of applications. That's barely trying, sorry.

2) There is no shortage of work in law. There is a shortage of jobs in LARGE CORPORATE FIRMS that pay top dollar and work their associates like sweatshop labor. There are a ton of underserved needs out there, but those jobs merely pay decently. It's like doctors whining about the lack of jobs in medicine because they only want to work at a Beverly Hills clinic doing nose jobs to the stars 30 hrs per week, but would never consider doing primary care in a community clinic in their home town.

3) If a person goes into law because they want to make a lot of money (which is apparently what she's saying she did), they're a dirtbag and have no business in the profession. Law is a helping profession. If they aren't interested in the people they're helping, just the bucks, GTFO.

Do some law schools skew employment data? Yep. That needs to stop. However, anyone who believes that getting a law degree means getting a higher entry level salary than in other professions, or that they're going to have job security, or that they're going to get that glitzy big-firm job, needs to have a serious reality check. The one and only sympathy I have for anyone coming out of law school are grads who really should be able to get debt relief when taking public interest jobs. Those jobs require the professional chops, but by nature they can't pay well enough to let young lawyers pay off their debts and keep food on the table. Otherwise, it's time to stop watching lawyer shows on TV and figure out who they want to serve and why, and treat getting into law like getting into any other industry which requires newbies to scramble, pay their dues on the way up, and be wise to how the industry functions.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. The Debt is the problem as to why they need to make more money, though.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

To go to any Private College these days means that you have enormous debt. Even the Public Colleges are going to put you into debt that starting out you won't be able to handle without extreme difficulty. We have a desperate need for Lawyers who can devote time to Public Service....and yet, they can't afford it. We lose good people who could serve the People instead of the Corporations because of the overwhelming expense. And, yes it applies to Medical School these days, also. It's always been bad for Doctors but it has spread to every profession these days as to what it costs and what one has to give up, in hopes and dreams, because of that overwhelming debt.

Although I understand what you say and thanks for posting your view. Its a problem that needs to be addressed. Bernie is trying to deal with some of it.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
6. The best solution is counter-intuitive
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:59 PM
Mar 2016

If she wins... then she must be a pretty good lawyer... so they shouldn't pay her.
If she loses... it proves they didn't educate her well... so they should pay up.

Lucky Luciano

(11,248 posts)
7. Hah - my friend is her lawyer for this case. He went to Berkeley.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

He had no trouble getting gainful employment as a lawyer!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Seriously, your friend is her attorney?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

I will post any updates, but you'll know before the rest of us. Small world and all that.

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