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dalton99a

(81,433 posts)
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:32 PM Jan 2019

Why Fighting Fake News With the Facts Might Not Be Enough

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/books/review-misinformation-age-cailin-oconnor-james-owen-weatherall-down-to-earth-bruno-latour.html

Why Fighting Fake News With the Facts Might Not Be Enough
By Jennifer Szalai
Jan. 9, 2019

“Alternative facts”: The term manages to be tedious, ridiculous and perilous at once — a real sign of the times. For anyone who doesn’t remember, Kellyanne Conway introduced it in early 2017 to defend the White House’s falsehoods about attendance numbers at Donald Trump’s inauguration the week before. There she was on “Meet the Press,” serenely chiding an exasperated Chuck Todd for being “overly dramatic” as he repeatedly tried to get her to concede that lying to the American public was bad.

Her phrasing may have been new, but Conway was taking part in what has apparently become a conservative tradition — performing a skepticism so extreme that it makes the ancient Greek skeptics look like babes in the woods. Recall a high-ranking aide in the Bush administration needling a journalist for belonging to “the reality-based community.” A respect for facts, the aide suggested, was ultimately for suckers: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.” ...

Of the two volumes, “The Misinformation Age” takes the more methodical and earnest approach. O’Connor and Weatherall are professors of logic, and they break down the mechanics of misinformation accordingly. They introduce their subject with the Vegetable Lamb of Tartary — a tree that reportedly grew gourd-like fruit filled with tiny lambs. The claim was propagated during medieval times by so many respected naturalists and scholars that it took nearly four centuries before it was satisfactorily debunked.

Those medieval scholars kept citing one another rather than verifying (or disproving) the Vegetable Lamb for themselves. “Social factors are essential to understanding the spread of beliefs,” O’Connor and Weatherall write, “including — especially — false beliefs.” Similar to the network of right-wing sites that nurtured elaborate conspiracy theories about a Hillary Clinton-sponsored pedophilia ring in a Washington pizzeria (a notion only slightly less outlandish than lambs growing on trees), the medieval scholars had created their own ecosystem for fake news.

O’Connor and Weatherall include contemporary examples of misinformation like Pizzagate, but they focus mainly on ideas held by scientists, highlighting how even the most well-intentioned beliefs can get deployed and distorted. After all, they say, “most scientists, most of the time, are doing their best to learn about the world, using the best methods available and paying careful attention to the available evidence.” Scientists are “the closest we have to ideal inquirers,” even if, as the authors make clear, there’s an unavoidable element of uncertainty in the scientific enterprise.

This uncertainty, it turns out, is central to how so much contemporary misinformation works. O’Connor and Weatherall make a distinction between absolute certainty and the confidence necessary to make informed decisions. “The worry that we can never gain complete certainty about matters of fact is irrelevant,” they write — though it comes up again and again in “The Misinformation Age,” as they show how industrial interests have repeatedly exploited any whiff of uncertainty to argue against government regulation.

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Why Fighting Fake News With the Facts Might Not Be Enough (Original Post) dalton99a Jan 2019 OP
Might as well administer medicine to the dead. czarjak Jan 2019 #1
Of course it's not enough. They deal in fear and emotion. bitterross Jan 2019 #2
Fight fake news with executions for treason FiveGoodMen Jan 2019 #3
I'll take lambs on trees for $100, Alex.... akraven Jan 2019 #4
How we can do our part... mwooldri Jan 2019 #5
The problem I'm finding is that even the TL;DR version of facts won't even hold their attention span EarthFirst Jan 2019 #6
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
2. Of course it's not enough. They deal in fear and emotion.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jan 2019

Trump traffics in the emotion of fear. Fear of the brown and black people. Fear the Dems are taking your money/jobs/etc. and giving it to them.

No amount of facts seems to immunize them from the disease of fear. They live in their lizard brains, not the higher functioning part with reason and logic.

akraven

(1,975 posts)
4. I'll take lambs on trees for $100, Alex....
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:06 PM
Jan 2019

I am so glad I had an incredible logic professor when I was an idealistic 18 year old.

mwooldri

(10,302 posts)
5. How we can do our part...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:22 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-46199347/how-you-can-stop-the-spread-of-fake-news

Good tips here... Summary:

1. If in doubt, don't comment, share or like.
2. Google it... if it is an older hoax it will normally show in the results.
3. If you think it's fake, report it... Don't comment/share/like.
4. If the linked website has tons of ads, spelling errors or hidden satire disclaimers, don't share/comment/like.
5. If the article "gets your goat" check twice.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
6. The problem I'm finding is that even the TL;DR version of facts won't even hold their attention span
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jan 2019

Much of the information that they’ve become accustomed to consuming is measured in seconds; often less than seconds; or memes, shares or likes of their acquaintances with zero effort to legitimize any of it.

That requires effort; and most often; time invested to make even a cursory investigation into a claim.

Where I find myself struggling is that after reading something Fromm The Nation, Atlantic, Mother Jones; etc. it takes a solid 15 minutes read a lengthy; in depth piece of investigative journalism.

How do you even condense that amount of information into a palatable portion without omitting so many facts that support what often times are multiple setups in order to prove he overall point your trying to make...

It really boils down to intellectual laziness; and those pulling their strings are not intellectually lazy; they’re morally corrupt; however not stupid. So they allow their constituency to remain willfully ignorant; yet engaged just enough; to accomplish their own end game.

I struggle with this regularly with my own father; even.

I’m told that I have an aire of superiority to me simply by the way I express myself while speaking and how I convey my thoughts through text. Simply by presenting facts in properly structured sentences somehow diluted the facts and evolves into not even worth listening to as a result.

It’s mind-blowing; really.

Content to be ignorant.

Sad.

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