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Judi Lynn

(160,523 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:22 PM Jan 2019

Private pupils use mockney accent to seem less posh, says ex-head of Harrow


Prince William, George Osborne and Tony Blair all ‘estuary English’ users, says Barnaby Lenon

Press Association
Sun 27 Jan 2019 12.08 EST

Former private school pupils often speak in a mockney accent in adulthood in an effort not to seem posh, the former head of Harrow has said.

Many people who went to elite fee-paying schools do not want to seem upper-class because “being posh these days is not a good thing”, according to Barnaby Lenon.

He made the comments following research into prep school language carried out by Graeme Davis, a professorial research fellow in humanities at the University of Buckingham.

The research found prep school language has its origins in cockney rhyming slang, due to what Davis described as “levelling” of language when children from different backgrounds were brought together after the second world war.

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/27/private-pupils-use-mockney-accent-to-seem-less-posh-says-ex-head-of-harrow
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Private pupils use mockney accent to seem less posh, says ex-head of Harrow (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2019 OP
American version is Bronx or Brooklyn accent with lots of f-bombs Blues Heron Jan 2019 #1
Not quite the same. Igel Jan 2019 #3
It is probably a reaction against the artificial "acquired" accent that is pressed upon private Nitram Jan 2019 #2

Igel

(35,300 posts)
3. Not quite the same.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jan 2019

Because the US doesn't have an ossified class structure that serves as an important part of identity.

It works both ways in Britain. In the US, there are rather different processes going on. In both cases, though, it's a question of prestige. (We have to assume that somehow the rich kids are trying to blend in to avoid some stigma; that's not quite right. They're adopting what are considered prestige forms of speech, but it's hard to say that without provoking outrage because it means, in some sense, rappers bear not just counterculture underclass prestige but prestige in the eyes of rich white kids. That's dangerously close to 'privilege' for a group, African-Americans, which has a one defining component of their identity "no privilege". Note that this element of linguistic prestige goes way back to pre-Harlem Renaissance days.)

It's more than just expletives, too. You can speak AAVE or Bronx English without a single expletive. It's phonology, morphology, it's syntax and semantics. We all have an accent, and no accent requires the use of specific words--not until they're completely redefined (and it's probably getting close for some kids, but that's because AAVE is drifting further away from mainstream English).

Note that this looks at upper class kids trying to blend it. This is so not a new idea or novel research. It's just new to those who didn't pay attention in the '90s. Blair was upper class. He tried (fairly badly) to emulate working-class English because he was labor and how you speak is a marker of who you are. For the same reason, a former girlfriend of mine from Tennessee was bidialectal: At home, in stores, when socializing, she had a rural Tennessee accent. When she lived in Oregon, in California, she had a pretty tight NBC English accent--the occasional leak, but very infrequent. Why? Because of the stereotype that if you have a Southern accent you must be stupid. In fact, I had to call her at work once when she lived in Tennessee and she had her standard American accent on the job there--but admitted that when she heard a Southern accent on the phone she dropped into Southern to establish solidarity and help make the sale.

Which is what Blair did.

Margaret Thatcher was working class. She took elocution lessons in order to learn RP and blend in with upper-class people whose votes she was after.

This is called "sociolinguistics" (or "social linguistics&quot and is a fairly well-established field. A lot of people don't like the findings because it doesn't match the "real reality" that they socially construct. But it examines behavior in the raw, not post-modern approaches to stylized forms of selected expression.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
2. It is probably a reaction against the artificial "acquired" accent that is pressed upon private
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

school students in England which used to be a mark of prestige but is now considered elitist. Note: private schools are called "public" schools in Britain.

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