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elleng

(130,732 posts)
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:49 PM Jul 2020

Mueller Deputy Wants Roger Stone Hauled Before Grand Jury in New York.

'Former special counsel Robert Mueller’s onetime lead lieutenant Andrew Weissmann wants to see former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone hauled before a grand jury in New York State.

“Time to put Roger Stone in the grand jury to find out what he knows about Trump but would not tell,” the onetime prosecutor and current New York University law professor wrote on Friday evening. “Commutation can’t stop that.” . .

Scholars, academics and pundits have often debated the reach and expanse of the clearly defined pardon power. Indeed, a cottage industry of op-eds devoted to incorrect musing about the limits of presidential pardons developed during the Trump administration as speculation ran rampant that the 45th president might attempt to pardon himself over various crimes.

What is clear about the pardon power’s end point, however, is the delineation between federal and state investigations, charges and prosecutions. A president has absolutely unlimited power to dispense with the former while the pardon clearly does not extend to the latter.

But in a somewhat curious turn, Weissmann called on the acting U.S. Attorney for Southern District of New York (SDNY) to make headlines for herself by bringing Stone in for questioning before an as-yet not constituted–or at least as-yet not public–grand jury.

“Audrey Strauss: this is your moment to stand for the rule of law,” Weissmann tweeted.

But it’s unclear exactly why and for what reasons Stone would be of interest to the SDNY at the moment.'>>>

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-top-mueller-deputy-wants-roger-stone-hauled-before-grand-jury-in-new-york/?

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Mueller Deputy Wants Roger Stone Hauled Before Grand Jury in New York. (Original Post) elleng Jul 2020 OP
It won't stop it but he can plead the fifth the whole time can't he? soothsayer Jul 2020 #1
Right elleng Jul 2020 #2
he can take the fifth, but only if there's a potential charge he remains liable for unblock Jul 2020 #4
Or drink a fifth soothsayer Jul 2020 #6
Kavanaugh would certainly agree unblock Jul 2020 #7
"I like beer. " OMGWTF Jul 2020 #10
said the bear on a dare AmyStrange Aug 2020 #16
The prosecutor could give him immunity, and... AmyStrange Aug 2020 #15
Wonderful Me. Jul 2020 #3
Weissman senses that roger may be 'useful' empedocles Jul 2020 #5
I still don't see why the equivalent of a pardon shakedown is legal bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #8
I was hoping there would be a way to get him from a state vantage point. Karadeniz Jul 2020 #9
Me too. nt iluvtennis Jul 2020 #11
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that any crime that is a federal crime would also TryLogic Jul 2020 #12
Might happen, elleng Jul 2020 #13
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #14

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
1. It won't stop it but he can plead the fifth the whole time can't he?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

I thought that was the brilliance of commutation

unblock

(52,118 posts)
4. he can take the fifth, but only if there's a potential charge he remains liable for
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jul 2020

So if answering a question might implicate him in a state crime or a federal crime other than one he's been found not guilty of or which has been pardoned, he can take the fifth.

Technically, one does not "plead" the fifth. It is "taken" or "invoked".

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
15. The prosecutor could give him immunity, and...
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 08:53 PM
Aug 2020

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then he couldn't use that right.

If that would get me trump, I'd do that in a minute.
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bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
8. I still don't see why the equivalent of a pardon shakedown is legal
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:10 PM
Jul 2020

and neither do some real pundits. Such as Glenn Kirschner.

TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
12. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that any crime that is a federal crime would also
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:05 AM
Jul 2020

be a state crime if states would simply declare that to be the case. Whatever happens at the federal level affects the states, at least in many situations such as national security, voting rights, etc. A threat to national security is a threat to the states, not (only) the federal bureaucracy. There should be a way to override corrupt presidential pardons, which Republicans are especially fond of doing.

elleng

(130,732 posts)
13. Might happen,
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jul 2020

states would have to incorporate Federal statutes AND there should be a nexus between the action and the place/state.

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