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raccoon

(31,110 posts)
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 06:36 AM Jun 2014

Green oil--could this be economically produced?

Green Oil: Scientists Turn Algae Into Petroleum In 30 Minutes


Scientists at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory are claiming success in perfecting a method that can transform a pea-soupy solution of algae into crude oil by pressure cooking it for about 30 minutes. The process, called hydrothermal liquefaction, also works on other streams of organic matter, such as municipal sewage. And the crude oil created is lightweight and low in sulfur and can be “dropped in” to refineries that process fossil crudes.

“It’s a bit like using a pressure cooker, only the pressures and temperatures we use are much higher,” said researcher Douglas Elliott in a statement. “In a sense, we are duplicating the process in the Earth that converted algae into oil over the course of millions of years. We’re just doing it much, much faster.”

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A big criticism of corn ethanol over the years is that the process of growing it requires so much fertilizer, water and other energy inputs that by the time you’ve got it turned into ethanol you’ve lost energy not gained it. If an energy system has a negative net energy balance it is necessarily cannibalizing other energy sources.

This appears to be an inconvenient truth for algae as well. Most methods of cultivating it simply eat more energy than is contained in the algae.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/12/23/green-oil-scientists-turn-algae-into-petroleum-in-30-minutes/

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Green oil--could this be economically produced? (Original Post) raccoon Jun 2014 OP
article says $5 per gallon is the cost now KurtNYC Jun 2014 #1
We'll see TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #2
yeah, well Leme Jun 2014 #3
Two words: cold fusion. n/t JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #4
Two real words - wind solar kristopher Jun 2014 #7
Lots of waste heat produced at power plants modrepub Jun 2014 #5
some kid figured out how to get oil out of algae by running a mild electric current through it yurbud Jun 2014 #6

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
1. article says $5 per gallon is the cost now
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 06:48 AM
Jun 2014

if they get that down a little and oil rises again, this method will be cheaper than tar sands or brent crude.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
2. We'll see
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 07:37 AM
Jun 2014

There ain't no free lunch.

This appears to be an inconvenient truth for algae as well. Most methods of cultivating it simply eat more energy than is contained in the algae.

Not to mention how much energy is needed to heat, pressurize and refine the "crude" into fuel.
 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
3. yeah, well
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014
A big criticism of corn ethanol over the years is that the process of growing it requires so much fertilizer, water and other energy inputs that by the time you’ve got it turned into ethanol you’ve lost energy not gained it. If an energy system has a negative net energy balance it is necessarily cannibalizing other energy sources.

This appears to be an inconvenient truth for algae as well. Most methods of cultivating it simply eat more energy than is contained in the algae.

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Ethanol from corn has been known to be a scam for a long time now... the big processors and farm lobby want it
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perhaps there is some merit in this process though

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Two real words - wind solar
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jun 2014

Renewable energy sources with current technology are more than adequate to power modern society.

Biofuels have a role, and algae is a good avenue to explore for those applications that require a portable liquid energy carrier.

The real constraint for algae isn't the processing, it is:
1) keeping the high lipid strains pure while you are growing it - contaminating strains ruin the 'crop' so growing in the open air tends to be problematic.
2) getting an adequate supply of carbon dioxide infused into the growth medium. Even the hopeful scenarios only see commercial viability if the process taps into exhaust from a fossil fuel power plant. Even then it only recovers a small fraction of the CO2 released by the FFs so, at best, it can be seen as a slight efficiency improvement re CO2 for the FF industry.

That is looking at it within the structure of our present energy system. As fossil fuels are ending their reign, however, picture changes somewhat and the use of algae diesel will make a lot more sense both environmentally and economically. The window of opportunity for it really isn't here yet though.

BTW, the military is a big driver of research. They're the first to fly jets on algae fuels.

modrepub

(3,493 posts)
5. Lots of waste heat produced at power plants
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jun 2014

If this could be incorporated into power generation stations to use the waste heat it might be more economical.

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