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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:05 AM Jun 2014

Ukraine's information war

The first casualty of war is said to be truth, and this certainly seems to be the case in Ukraine. With government and separatists fighting an information war, unbiased reporting is extremely hard to come by.

In the eastern Ukrainian city of Luhansk shards of metal lie scattered around the park. Rebel leader Vasily Nikitin and a journalist are staring at the ground, examining them. The shards were found right beside a blood-stained car, says Nikitin. For him, that's evidence that the Ukrainian army is deploying cluster bombs in its war against the separatists. Eight men were killed, he says.

The national television channels report a different version of events. They say that the separatists fired a rocket at a Ukrainian plane and accidentally hit the regional administrative building - which was in rebel hands. So: an accident.

Rodion Miroshnik, a journalist in Luhansk who has reported for the regional channel Luhansk Oblast TV for 25 years, says that's pure propaganda. "It was a lie!" he says, outraged. "But that's normal in Ukraine these days."

t has certainly become very difficult to obtain definitive information in this conflict. The biggest news broadcaster, 5 Kanal TV, belongs to the billionaire Petro Poroshenko, who was recently elected president. Other national broadcasters are also in private hands.

Miroshnik says that the reporting on many of these channels is biased, complaining that the rebels are never given a voice. He also says that his bosses in Kyiv try to influence reporting. "They tell us how we're supposed to report on events in Ukraine," he says. "We have to call the fighters in our area 'separatists' or 'terrorists.' Not 'freedom fighters.'"

http://www.dw.de/ukraines-information-war/a-17700203

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Ukraine's information war (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jun 2014 OP
The way they have managed to completely shut down the media in the midst of the current humanitarian newthinking Jun 2014 #1
Fake news is trendy now Bosonic Jun 2014 #2
Wow. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #3
Yeah. It takes some sleuths. Igel Jun 2014 #4

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
1. The way they have managed to completely shut down the media in the midst of the current humanitarian
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:08 AM
Jun 2014

crisis is simply amazing. Frightening what it implies about the state of our news sites.

Thanks dd

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
2. Fake news is trendy now
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:14 AM
Jun 2014

White Phosphur attack on Sloviansk?

Yes! says Russian TV:



Really ?!? I thought that was Fallujah, says CNN (from 2008)

Igel

(35,274 posts)
4. Yeah. It takes some sleuths.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:40 AM
Jun 2014

The Lugansk folk claimed that the bombs that fell on "city hall" was a specific kind of bomb. An S-8KOM.

Now, this fits in some ways. It's not huge, the launcher fires multiple rockets so you'd get something like the pattern on the ground. It went from right to left in the usual footage shown.

At the same time it's an anti-tank weapon, has a fair amount of explosives and moves at an impressive speed. It should have done more damage in the building. Instead of taking out just one room and leaving internal walls standing, it should have penetrated a few walls in. Instead of barely moving a few inches of dirt, it should have dug down a few feet.

It shouldn't have spread left/right by 100 yards. Or go around corners.

And the pictures that the Lugansk folk showed as evidence, claimed to have come from the site, were photos from an attack elsewhere. Rovnany, I believe. Again, they found file photos and actually photoshopped them a bit.

That particular attack is settled in the minds of most. I have no idea what it was.

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