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joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:19 PM Jun 2014

Guardian: Hillary Clinton's book is exactly as 'safe' as female politicians are forced to be

Hillary Clinton's new book, Hard Choices – a memoir of her time as secretary of state – is finally out, and the critical consensus is that it's a snore. CNN's conservative commentator Ana Navarro called it "50 shades of boring" while the network's liberal contributor Sally Kohn called it "safe" and "dry" – and joked that the book should have been called "Boring Choices". The New Republic criticized its "dullness and lack of critical energy". Politico's Mike Allen called the 596-page book a "newsless snore".

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When then-presidential hopeful Clinton teared up on the campaign trail in New Hampshire in 2008, for example, Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times that asked "Can Hillary Cry Her Way Back to the White House?" On CNN, Glenn Beck said, "After spending decades stripping away all trace of emotion, femininity, and humanity, Hillary Clinton broke down and actually cried. ... I don't buy the hype." On Fox News, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol called the emotional moment "solipsistic and narcissistic". Similarly, when Clinton got into a heated exchange during her Benghazi testimony, the New York Post ran a cover of Clinton yelling with her fists clenched; the headline: NO WONDER BILL'S AFRAID.

Any emotion that Hillary Clinton shows has always been used against her, and it has become a kind of stand-in for the many reasons women are said to be oh-so-unfit to lead. The building-up of her protective public armor, post- and potentially pre-White House, isn't just smart for Clinton personally - it's essential for the growing national image of women in politics.

It's clear from reading Hard Choices that sexism - particularly during Clinton's 2008 run for president - has taken a toll on her. "I knew that it arose from cultural and psychological attitudes about women's roles in society, but that didn't make it any easier for me and my supporters," she writes. Indeed, the frenzy of misogyny was so intense that it's hard to imagine enduring it all while vying for the most important job in the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/11/hillary-clinton-book-hard-choices-boring
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Guardian: Hillary Clinton's book is exactly as 'safe' as female politicians are forced to be (Original Post) joshcryer Jun 2014 OP
I was reading the comments on this article. joshcryer Jun 2014 #1
Elizabeth Warren's book isn't so safe MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #2
Yes!!! billhicks76 Jun 2014 #3
Is this article about Warren? Beacool Jun 2014 #4
What does the OP claim in the title? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #5
In that it's objectively false, yeah. joshcryer Jun 2014 #10
I think MannyGoldstein makes a valid point. JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #6
No, it's not a valid opinion. Beacool Jun 2014 #7
I don't know Manny, but... JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #11
Warren gets the same kind of treatment. joshcryer Jun 2014 #9
Her book is as safe as Clinton's. joshcryer Jun 2014 #8

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
1. I was reading the comments on this article.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:32 PM
Jun 2014

And holy fucking shit. I thought "man, people really hate Clinton." Then I stopped and thought about it for a second, is this really Clinton hate, or just internet woman hate?

Then I clicked on another of Jessica Valenti's articles. Welp, there it is. Read any comment thread on any of Jessica Valenti's articles, you will see the same hateful attitude.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. Elizabeth Warren's book isn't so safe
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

And I'm pretty sure she's a woman. Who's accomplished a lot, and will accomplish more.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
3. Yes!!!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary is a disingenuous candidate and person. Warren is true and tangible. I don't care what the centrists naysay...I'm pushing for Warren.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
10. In that it's objectively false, yeah.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:45 AM
Jun 2014

Warren didn't write much if anything about sexism, gay marriage, whole nine yards. She focused on one thing. I think her book was in reality less safe that Clinton's.

Which could bode well for her deciding to run. Talk about a boring narrative... being elevated to high status in the party by centrists certainly wasn't interesting. Though it showed how the party politics worked.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
6. I think MannyGoldstein makes a valid point.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:26 AM
Jun 2014

The OP's question is the hate about Hillary or is it just palin misogny. Manny points out that if it was misogny then Warren would be getting the same treatment, and she doesn't. There are people who really like Warren and people who have no particular opinion, but one pretty much never reads "hate mail" about her as one does constantly with Hillary.

Manny is not changing the subject, and your criticism is uncalled for. Manny is making an entirely valid counter argument.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
7. No, it's not a valid opinion.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:36 AM
Jun 2014

It's just him and his relentless campaign to promote his candidate of choice and to interject her name in every possible post. If Warren doesn't get the same level of hate mail is because people barely know who she is. She is not a household name.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
11. I don't know Manny, but...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014
"If Warren doesn't get the same level of hate mail is because people barely know who she is. She is not a household name."

Less known than Hillary certainly, and I think Warren is mostly a poser, but I think you are seriously mistaken in your assessment.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
9. Warren gets the same kind of treatment.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:42 AM
Jun 2014

Are you kidding me?

What the fuck.

I guess we're post-sexism.

It's going to be fucking delicious to see the hateful MRAs come out against Clinton when she announces. And the "liberals" joining their side.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
8. Her book is as safe as Clinton's.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:41 AM
Jun 2014

Take solace, it's quite literally the only thing indicating the might run.

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