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unrepentant progress

(611 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:36 PM Jun 2014

Your Doctor Knows You're Killing Yourself. The Data Brokers Told Her.

This isn't the world I want to live in.

You may soon get a call from your doctor if you’ve let your gym membership lapse, made a habit of picking up candy bars at the check-out counter or begin shopping at plus-sized stores.

That’s because some hospitals are starting to use detailed consumer data to create profiles on current and potential patients to identify those most likely to get sick, so the hospitals can intervene before they do.

Information compiled by data brokers from public records and credit card transactions can reveal where a person shops, the food they buy, and whether they smoke. The largest hospital chain in the Carolinas is plugging data for 2 million people into algorithms designed to identify high-risk patients, while Pennsylvania’s biggest system uses household and demographic data. Patients and their advocates, meanwhile, say they’re concerned that big data’s expansion into medical care will hurt the doctor-patient relationship and threaten privacy.

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-26/hospitals-soon-see-donuts-to-cigarette-charges-for-health.html
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Your Doctor Knows You're Killing Yourself. The Data Brokers Told Her. (Original Post) unrepentant progress Jun 2014 OP
so companies do this with employees already..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #1
Wellness programs HockeyMom Jun 2014 #5
You nailed it. Ilsa Jun 2014 #10
Crikey! unrepentant progress Jun 2014 #11
I keep thinking I would tell the counselor/couch/trainer Ilsa Jun 2014 #13
companies log their employees shopping habits from their credit cards??? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #21
oh come on...even the grocery stores do that. what VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22
So you want the right to kill yourself without anyone trying to talk you out of it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2
And you sir are an idiot. unrepentant progress Jun 2014 #3
What an incredibly well-thought out rebuttal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #4
Yet, nonetheless, highly accurate. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #6
As you will. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #7
For what its worth.... daleanime Jun 2014 #14
I think the people being so out and out upset should read the article Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #16
After the data is available, can I get the profit from selling it to the Insurance Companies? Vincardog Jun 2014 #19
I hate to tell you, but there is no 'after'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #20
fake names irisblue Jun 2014 #26
Next they'll be putting our children into foster care Ilsa Jun 2014 #8
It certainly would be Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #9
Which hospital is going to have my data? Ilsa Jun 2014 #12
Well, then I guess you don't use Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #15
I do what I can to limit Ilsa Jun 2014 #17
Why I'm fine with an opt-out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #18
This will drive them crazy Delmette Jun 2014 #25
use the old fax machine @ an old job as the base number irisblue Jun 2014 #27
This kind of data collection needs to be banned. alarimer Jun 2014 #23
Aye unrepentant progress Jun 2014 #24
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
5. Wellness programs
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jun 2014

After blood draws, BMI/WHM, questionnaires, Company Health Coaches (who can OVERRULE your own doctor), etc., your personal "coach" (RN), will meet with your to discuss your personal health plan! Stop smoking, recommend a gym (kickback?), and make up a meal plan and escort you GROCERY SHOPPING! To make sure your don't "cheat"????? If you are young woman, your coach will even advise you the optimum time to have your first child!!!!! In your 20s is the HEALTHIEST time to have a baby so if you want "health", get PREGNANT. As one young woman told her "health" coach, can you advise a dating service so I can find a HUSBAND so I can get married and pregnant before my 30th birthday?

This is not a JOKE. That Wellness Program did that where I used to work. Key word USED to work.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
10. You nailed it.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

The corporations, who should only be involved in financial arrangements, are trying to impose themselves into the doctors' roles. It's galling.

11. Crikey!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014

I've heard of ridiculous corporate wellness programs before, but telling a woman she needs to be pregnant just takes the cake.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. So you want the right to kill yourself without anyone trying to talk you out of it?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jun 2014

I take it you lie to your doctor about your bad habits when you go in for appointments too, right?

Heaven forbid anyone try to keep you healthier in advance, rather than simply allowing you to get COPD and diabetes in peace, so that you can exercise your freedom to enjoy decades of insulin shots and emergency breathing treatments, as well as the excitement of ambulance rides out to the ER, never knowing if you're going to be DOA.

FREEDOM!

I'd favour making it an option, so that people so worried about 'freedom' can opt out, so they can die decades earlier, but 'free'.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. As you will.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

I can tell that you're as much of an intellectual giant as the other poster, so I shan't argue your diagnosis.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
16. I think the people being so out and out upset should read the article
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

at the link provided by the OP.

The one with lines from doctors saying that they're trying to find people who are likely to have serious problems so they can reach out and help them prevent such.

Day in and day out, our information is used by people who merely want to sell us products we don't need. Now we're going to be outraged because it might be used to give us advice on staying healthy?

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
19. After the data is available, can I get the profit from selling it to the Insurance Companies?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

Can I rent target lists for the Drug Giants to go after?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
20. I hate to tell you, but there is no 'after'.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

It's already available. The article is not anything about new data being collected, it's about hospitals buying the data from the people who are already collecting it.

Use a CVS 'extracare' card? A Kroger's card? Any of those little key fob cards? The data is being collected, and in most cases, when you signed up for the cards, you agreed to let them use that data certainly internally, but also with 'partners', or possibly even with anyone that wants to buy it.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
8. Next they'll be putting our children into foster care
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jun 2014

Because they figured out that Mommy bought Jr.a donut last Sunday morning.

It's one thing for my doctor's office to call me and remind me to get that colonoscopy done. It's another for my insurance company to write me to remind me that I haven't been refilling a Rx that isn't needed any more or was changed.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
9. It certainly would be
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jun 2014

if the quoted text above were talking about insurance companies, as opposed to 'doctors' and 'hospital chains'.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
12. Which hospital is going to have my data?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jun 2014

The one I would insist driving past to a better one where I know some staff and is still in my network?

The point is that I might have some preferences on who gets my profile and which organization has no business seeing my personal data and making money off it.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. Well, then I guess you don't use
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jun 2014

any store 'discount' cards that let you get money off in exchange for allowing them to collect and sell your data. I know I use such, and generally save something like 25% on my grocery runs every time for using that card.

And, of course, you use programs to let you use the web anonymously, that block all of the google-analytics code snippets, and the tracking done on any webpage with a facebook or twitter button.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
17. I do what I can to limit
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jun 2014

data collected on me. I'm not 100% successful.

But I'd rather my health data be kept as private as possible. It may not be a big deal to you. But for some of us who have been personally violated, this kind of intrusion regarding our bodies is painful.

This kind of data collection and selling is violating people's personal boundaries.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. Why I'm fine with an opt-out.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

If you want to opt-out of ANY data collection by anyone, that should be your right.

There should be something along the lines of the national 'do not call' list, and serious penalties for those who violate such, with the money going to the injured party. (Ie, if someone does collect and hand out your data, they should have to pay YOU some serious amount of money, certainly far more than they themselves might have gotten by doing so.)

Delmette

(522 posts)
25. This will drive them crazy
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:57 PM
Jun 2014

My sister has a discount card with a pharmacy. She buys her over the counter stuff, I buy box wine when I don't want to drive across town(to avoid Walmart) and we both buy stuff for our elderly mother. What a mash up of products. LOL Just type in the phone number and they don't ask for ID.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
23. This kind of data collection needs to be banned.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jun 2014

This is an intrusive violation of privacy. I'd tell my doctor he can fuck off if they did this to me.

24. Aye
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jun 2014

The problem of course comes in when insurance companies start foisting this kind of intervention on both you and your doctor, then increasing premiums when you fail to comply. Then you have little choice. And anybody who doesn't think this is where it winds up is clueless about recent history.

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