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"In the gender equality stakes, Sweden is rated highly. But some Swedes feel it's being taken to extremes. It has the highest proportion of working women in the world and some two-thirds of university degrees are earned by women. New mothers and fathers both get generous parental leave.
Gender role neutrality initiatives, however, some feel are being exaggerated.
There's a politician who proposed that men should be required by law to urinate in a sitting position -- partly because it leaves toilets cleaner and promotes prostate health, partly as an appeal for reason.
That politician, Viggo Hansen, told us: "When my son was in kindergarten, they tried to force him to pee standing up, when we had taught him to pee sitting down. When the school let him sit down to pee, there was no problem. I had read about a school in Norway that officially banned boys' stand-up peeing. Lots of people's reaction was that was taking away boys' right to be boys."
Ann Helena Rudberg joined the feminist movement in the 1970s, to fight for women's rights because she saw her mother suffer violence at home. Today she argues women have equal rights and that feminist political parties are taking things too far.
Rudberg said: "It's a power struggle between men and women. And the effect of that is that on one side we have women and on the other side men. And this is not good for the children or for anyone."
At a school in Stockholm named 'Egalia', teaching gender equality is a priority. Boys and girls are encouraged not to be limited by stereotypical roles or games. And since last year, there is a new word in the Swedish dictionary: "hen", which is a neutral pronoun for "he" or "she". Not everyone agrees about that.
School director Lotta Rajalin said: "They think we are going to change girls to boys and boys to girls and that's of course not what we are doing. We like to give every human being the same rights, the same possibilities, the same responsibilities. And that is a question of democracy."
Some critics say Sweden's government is taking a feminist agenda to an almost radical level. Others who also take International Women's Day seriously say the fight for gender equality is far from over."
Source: euronews
efhmc
(14,725 posts)to be whole people and not left over pieces of men.
longship
(40,416 posts)The Swedish novel trilogy whose first volume was entitled in this country as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, in Sweden, had the title Män Som Hattar Kvinnor (Men Who Hate Women).
The main protagonist, Lisabeth Salander, was a kind of counter-cultural heroine. She's petite, 90 lbs and under five feet tall. But she's exceptionally intelligent, resourceful, and physically well beyond what her tiny frame would imply.
There's no way that Larsson's three novels about Salander come to such international fame without first being a huge success in Sweden.
It's not just Steig Larsson. There is a lot of Swedish culture which illustrates the same. I am a fan of foreign mysteries. Thankfully I am able to receive MHz Worldview on a local PBS affilliate. They play international mysteries every evening, mostly police procedurals. The only programs where a woman plays a prominent role are from Sweden. (Others are from Italy, France, Australia, Germany, etc.)
Even the Wallander series -- the Swedish version is different than the Branaugh PBS one -- has women in prominent roles. Wallander's chief is a woman. There are three other series, two of which have a woman as the head cop solving the crime, the other having a woman cop prominently in the foreground, not just a support character.
Then, there's Lisabeth Salander. The three novels each portray her differently. The first is almost pure detective story. The second is police procedural, with Lisabeth the person of interest. The third is a courtroom drama. They are highly recommended.
As are other Swedish dramas. Wallander, Maria Wern, Irene Husse, and Van Veeteran. Good stuff, if you like mysteries. Krister Henriksson is great as Detective Wallander.
niyad
(113,275 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Both female cops who filled the role normally male. Both were very intelligent, albeit clearly TV productions.
I have become a big fan of Commissario Brunetti. Placed in Venice but produced from Germany, it was written by Donna Leon, a US ex patriot who lives in Venice and placed her series of mysteries there. The East German actor Uwe Kockisch plays Brunetti and is very good. The supporting cast is also quite good. It's a bit jarring to hear German language in the Venetian setting, but elements of the Italian come through in the plots and the actors and the scripts are, as far as I can tell from the subtitles, well done. And Donna Leon collaborates with the series. This really is quite excellent.
Thanks for your reply. I don't know what I'd do without MHz diversions. Plus, I get international news and commentary from all over the world. I desperately miss the Australian Football League, though. MHz! Bring back Footie!
niyad
(113,275 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)As far as the whole making-guys-piss-sitting-down thing, it seems like one weirdo's idea, and likely to remain so...
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I should know, since I live in Sweden. This exaggerated scenario has no resemblance to what I have seen and experienced. It's actually a very reasonable society, for the most part.
It's like suggesting that all little American girls compete in beauty pageants, based on Honey BooBoo.
nomorenomore08
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davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I suppose it all depends on who you ask. Some years back, a man I knew told me that a man in Sweden can be charged with the crime of "raping a woman with his eyes". That strikes me as rather bizarre... as I suspect we'd have to charge just about everyone with any sexual interest (certainly including women) in order to promote equality.
Of course, what I heard may have simply been rumor, fiction, nonsense from a man who wasn't terribly fond of feminism. Given my own experience with feminists and feminism... well, there are those who favor equality and there are those who honestly see men as lesser beings. All depends on who you ask.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Unless he was referring to a peeping tom or something.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Sweden, for the most part, seems to be an example of egalitarianism/moderate socialism done right. So of course the reactionary types - MRA's, Randian capitalists - are quick to pounce on anything they can "find," legit or not.