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Immortal Technique: Banning guns won't change a violent society (Original Post) DreamSmoker Jun 2014 OP
He's an expert? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Jun 2014 #11
Nope, iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #2
Perhaps you try to look at it a different way De Leonist Jun 2014 #7
Banning private ownership of C4 won't change a violent society 951-Riverside Jun 2014 #3
Immortal Technique is spot-on. PoliticalPothead Jun 2014 #4
I agree with you heaven05 Jun 2014 #12
Just like banning cars won't stop car crashes. valerief Jun 2014 #5
There would still be hit-and-run horse-and-buggy killings klook Jun 2014 #9
I don't think that Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #6
If you want less violent crime.... De Leonist Jun 2014 #8
+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #13
Ban? How about stopping huge clips? Stop GunShow Loopholes? Totally enforced Period of drynberg Jun 2014 #10
this country was settled and heaven05 Jun 2014 #14
It's a straw man in any case . . . markpkessinger Jun 2014 #15

Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #1)

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
2. Nope,
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jun 2014

but it sure makes it take a lil more work and conviction if ya wanna kill someone without 'em.

what were guns designed for again ?
oh, that's right.. to injure or KILL another living creature. only purpose.

De Leonist

(225 posts)
7. Perhaps you try to look at it a different way
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

Because banning something for being designed to kill living things would mean that we should ban bow'n'arrows, crossbows, javelins, swords, and a whole host of other objects that are used far more for either collecting, sporting, or historical interests. While I agree for the most part that our gun ownership laws have gotten out of hand the "logic" underpinning your argument is rather simplistic and more rhetorical than rational.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
3. Banning private ownership of C4 won't change a violent society
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

A ban only makes it harder for some nutbag to kill a bunch of people.

I cannot believe he's this stupid.

PoliticalPothead

(220 posts)
4. Immortal Technique is spot-on.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jun 2014

We need to change our culture of violence and start looking at violence in third-world countries the same way we see violence here in America. It's disgustingly hypocritical that we get all worked up and emotional over the Sandy Hook children but we ignore the innocent children in other countries being killed by our own government. Tech is right, banning guns won't change our violent society. The only thing that will is if people stand up and demand and end to ALL violence, not just the violence that affects them personally.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
6. I don't think that
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jun 2014

banning all guns is the answer, either. What I think this country (and especially CA) needs to do is invest more money into funding mental health services, and perhaps an assault weapons ban for those who are not part of the military or the police force. But if not that, then Congress should at the bare minimum allow background checks on all gun purchases.

De Leonist

(225 posts)
8. If you want less violent crime....
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jun 2014

Reduce Poverty and Increase upward mobility, especially for the poor. I'm pretty sure Immortal Technique realizes this and this is why he probably doesn't advocate increased gun control. He also realizes that more often than not the laws that are meant to crack down on violent crime are used by Law Enforcement to harass the same people who live in what is one of the most atrocious forms of economic violence, poverty

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
10. Ban? How about stopping huge clips? Stop GunShow Loopholes? Totally enforced Period of
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jun 2014

Registration to stop those prone to violence to get weapons? Now these measures won't change our violent society, but will save many from death and very painful injury. Let's be real. ACT.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. this country was settled and
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jun 2014

it's indigenous people(nations) subdued by EXTREME gun violence. It was built into the society we inhabit by enslaved people subdued by EXTREME gun violence. The violence in our current society is an extension of that history and the 'wild west' mentality revered by a lot of americans of all racial, ethnic and political persuasions. Change the macho mindset, economic conditions that breed inequality and hopelessness, which will take generations now, and the society ill of EXTREME violence by guns can change. Period. Just my take on this problem.

markpkessinger

(8,381 posts)
15. It's a straw man in any case . . .
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jun 2014

There is not one serious proposal to ban guns under consideration by any legislative body in this country. How many times must it be said that GUN REGULATION <> BANNING GUNS! And the persistent efforts by the gun lobby to turn every discussion of reasonable gun regulation into a discussion of the effectiveness of banning guns, when no such proposal is anywhere under consideration, is a dishonest, cynical attempt to cloud the issue!

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