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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:17 PM Jun 2014

Putin TV (RT) "frequent guest" wingnut Alex Jones: Pentagon has activist concentration camps



Extra squirrely points for lunatic host Abby Martin on this one

Don’t be fooled – Russia Today is trash

By Oliver Hotham

Take a venture into the sometimes enlightening, often depressing, world of online activism and journalism and it’s likely you’ll see clips from a news organisation called Russia Today. This organisation paints a grim picture of the United States – in the world of Russia Today, the USA is an oligarchical tyranny, where the establishment conspires to silence brave truth-telling crusaders.

You’ll see cynical and almost always conspiratorial reports of groups the “the Bilderberg group”, who seek, ostensibly, world domination. Take a gander through the various videos the organisation has published on Youtube and you’ll see a bizarre combination of Syrian regime apologism, anti-American hysteria, and embarrassing populist pandering, not to mention the 9/11 conspiracy theory peddlers who frequent its airwaves.

To an outside observer stumbling upon Russia Today, you would be forgiven for thinking that the organisation is a brave one, shining a glimmer of light into the murky depths of Western hypocrisy. Wikileaks editor Julian Assange even presents a show on the news station – kudos to them for giving him a platform.

But Russia Today has an agenda, an agenda easy to work out from five minutes of basic research online. The network is owned by RIA Novosti, the Russian news agency 100% owned by the Russian government. Initially founded during the Second World War as the Soviet Information Bureau, RIA Novosti has transformed into an international, glitzy news agency, and Russia Today is their baby. Lets be clear about this – this is a news station owned (and undoubtedly influenced) by a government that has murdered journalists and political opponents, acts in a framework of institutionalised corruption, rigged elections, and committed war crimes against the Chechen people. This government is no friend of freedom and democracy, yet you would think that it is – from the trendy, glitzy, and anti-establishment Russia Today.
http://notsoreviews.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/dont-be-fooled-russia-today-is-trash/
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Putin TV (RT) "frequent guest" wingnut Alex Jones: Pentagon has activist concentration camps (Original Post) uhnope Jun 2014 OP
Another day, Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #1
unhope is hilarious, this is from 2012, the one before from 2010, Seems like newthinking Jun 2014 #18
I think you replied to the wrong comment. nt Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #19
Two fucking nuts chattering at one another ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #2
Are DUers afraid of RT? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #3
progressives have an aversion to FOX & RT uhnope Jun 2014 #4
What news sources do you recommend? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #13
I agree with you on Dem. Now and Taibi. uhnope Jun 2014 #15
Did you watch this on Democracy Now? newthinking Jun 2014 #20
I agree with you on a lot. Thanks. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #21
no worse than... iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #10
How often do you need to push the same trash before you give up? tech3149 Jun 2014 #5
! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #8
lol. the idea that RT is comparable to the BBC is wacked beyond recognition uhnope Jun 2014 #9
Then why isn't Alex in one of these so-called camps? Crowman1979 Jun 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author DeSwiss Jun 2014 #7
uhnope Diclotican Jun 2014 #11
yes, as a movement attacks itself like Communism or Nazism putting its own kind into prisons. uhnope Jun 2014 #12
uhnope Diclotican Jun 2014 #14
Unhope Pharaoh Jun 2014 #16
"paid troll" lol uhnope Jun 2014 #17
RT can have some very important issues on LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #22

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
18. unhope is hilarious, this is from 2012, the one before from 2010, Seems like
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jun 2014

Alex gets much less play on RT than American media lol.

You may be thinking that folks here are really stupid and gullible, but DU tends to be fairly well informed. You are going to have to do much more than digging up some old videos to fool folks here

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
2. Two fucking nuts chattering at one another
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jun 2014

Russia Times should just rename themselves the Onion Network already.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. Are DUers afraid of RT?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jun 2014

I'm beginning to think so.

Compare to Fox News.

I don't always agree with RT, but hey, they are no worse than some of the media we call mainstream.

In the marketplace of ideas, we each have to pick and choose what we like and don't like.

That is why it is important that we study history and other topics that may not make us richer.

The more we understand, the better we can judge what to believe and what to disbelieve.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
4. progressives have an aversion to FOX & RT
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jun 2014

Try to understand. Read the "RT is trash" article. Hopefully, someday you'll get it. It's not progressive to support RW/neocon lies, and at this point Putin & RT are RW and neocon

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. What news sources do you recommend?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

I assume all news is propaganda until proved otherwise.

The mainstream media is corporate propaganda.

Most of the so-called "journalists" today are primarily hired to sell something -- an idea, a product, a political point of view, a religion, something.

Democracy Now is a good source of information that you don't get elsewhere.

I also like Ian Master's show on Pacifica- KPFK radio.

I like Thom Hartmann but he has a point of view. If you don't agree with his point of view you might not like him.

I like Matt Taibi.

Who do you like? What media do you like?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
15. I agree with you on Dem. Now and Taibi.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

Basically, I take in lots of new sources but with a critical eye at all times.

For example, it's crazy to not read the NY Times just because of the WMD disaster and because they are beholden to conventional thinking. Same for BBC. There is still a lot of basic facts and info you can get from the NY Times and BBC, by taking it in critically and comparing it to what you know to be true. Basically, read/listen but watch for the red flags. (The main flaws of NY Times or BBC is not in what they report but in what they don't report.)

I also read the Economist. They can be conservative (but not crazy conservative) but they cover so much world news and the writing is really up there, very intelligent and informed people writing for them.

I listen to Dem. Now with same critical filter, because they can sometimes fall into the trap of the Old Left thinking that anything that opposes the US must be okay, but they provide a lot of valuable info and they cover the things that the NY Times won't cover.

Actually, about Hartmann, it's the opposite of what you say--I agree with him on most issues but I don't like him! I think there's something creepy about him and his decision to take $$$ from the Kremlin disqualifies him from being taken seriously. He gets weird on the subject of Russia and Ukraine, and he has Putin apologists on his show. In the end, he is like those you say "primarily hired to sell something -- an idea, a product, a political point of view, a religion, something."

Anyway thanks for your polite question and the civilized discussion.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
20. Did you watch this on Democracy Now?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jun 2014

They have had a number of people on and have often discussed the false narrative on Ukraine:

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
10. no worse than...
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jun 2014

which is saying very little, eh ?

lol

regardless of whether you like or don't like things on RT..
the fact remains.. they are government funded and very much bias...

but that's how media is these days..

I honestly don't think anyone should ever just blindly take anything any news source says/reports without finding other sources that would back it up...
they all have their agendas.. whether it profit driven or ideologically driven..

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
5. How often do you need to push the same trash before you give up?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

RT is no less or more propaganda than ABC/CBS/NBC or any US based cable channel. For Christs' sake, even BBC pushes lots of trash and doesn't question the nation of origin.

I really do find it funny that you keep escalating your hatred of RT with the same story over and over again. Seriously, If you can present the premise that RT is nothing but propaganda why not go all-in. Give me a 24/7 review of all the news they present and dissect each and every "distortion" or as you state propaganda. Just do your best FAIR or Media Matters or STFU.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
9. lol. the idea that RT is comparable to the BBC is wacked beyond recognition
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jun 2014

and what's funny is your emotional investment in defending RT... Did you even read the "Don't be fooled" piece? Why should I "STFU" about a FOX-style news station run by a totalitarian regime that is passing laws against gays and closing down all the independent media? Here educate yrself http://www.forwardprogressives.com/russias-propaganda-campaign-using-left-obama/

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
6. Then why isn't Alex in one of these so-called camps?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014

I mean the fat bastard just sticks out like a sore thumb, and he's the one who supposedly reveals these NWO secrets. But more than likely he just makes shit up for monetary gain. Yet if one of his followers goes on a killing spree, he denies everything, and then starts yelling FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!


Give me a f***in' break!

Response to uhnope (Original post)

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
11. uhnope
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jun 2014

uhnope

Sooner or later, fellows like Alex Jones might BE in a prison - or a prison camp - if the far right get it as they want it.... Even fellows like Alex Jones would be seen as a loose cannon on the deck - and dangerous if the far right in the US ever get into office and is using the power the US government really do have - but who no US government really have been using as it could backfire on them when a new election is up... Remember even Bush jr for all the talk about how easy it would be, if he was a dictator to rule US - he backed down for doing it.. Mostly because he did know how it would backfire on him if he tried it...

But then again - no dictator start up in a vacuum - it is always a trial of "reasons" behind every dictator - just look at europe - who have had a few dictators who have ruined the continent - like Hitler and Stalin, who in their own ways was absolutely dictators in Europe - Hitler and Stalin never get their power just out of the blue - Stalin worked his way up the power structure by emulating more and more power who managed him to make it to the top a few year after Vladimir Lenin died... Hitlers way to power was another one - but it ended up in the same goal - getting absolute power - and to rule as he was seeing fit - even if it cost millions of peoples life in the prosess... Not to say a whole continent in rubbels...

But then again - I'm just a silly european - who might not have a clue about the geniality of the US constitution and governance (As I have been told many times when Little Caligula was in charge, and Dart Vader was the power behind the throne... )

Diclotican

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
12. yes, as a movement attacks itself like Communism or Nazism putting its own kind into prisons.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

fortunately, we have mostly avoided that in the USA, although the Tea Party attacking the mainstream GOP is getting close to that phenomenon.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
14. uhnope
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jun 2014

uhnope

The neo-conservatives - and specially the outshout Tea Party is close to the same ideals that made Hitler able to control a whole State - and to make it so that everyone who might disagree with him - and the ideals he wanted to build his 3th Reich on - to end up in a KZ camp - or worse murdered by SA or after the long knifes night in 1934, by SS who took responsibility for the KZ camps - and the police - and as the war progressed almost took over the State as a whole - by 1945 Heinrich Himmler was in power of all matters in Germany - only to end up on the loosing end of World War two - and he killed himself when arrested by UK soldiers... After hiding as a farmer for a couple of weeks after the war...


The Tea party is outshout of GOP, no doubt about it - but far more radical than GOP is branded as - even as GOP is seen to have been sliding far to the right the last couple of years - specially after GWB got "elected" In 2000 - in a election show down, who even dictators of old could have made better - it was rather embarrassing to look about it dragged on - and then surprising GWB got elected - even as everyone believed Gore was the next president... After GWB got elected - the extremist got out in the open - and specially after 11 sept 2001 - the whole band of extremists really got the upper hand in the republican Party - and have been in charge ever since...

But the Tea Party have not the central power yet - as GOP have - and is in many ways way to week by the lack of a central power - that be a person, or some institution who could organize The Tea Party to a real "power to be reckoned with" - The Tea Party is week - and maybe even lacing the ability to be under a central control all together - even if they is able minded enough to make a lot of damage for the ones who is in their way - that be moms for weapon control - or POWs who have been given their freedom again, because of a prison swap.... The Tea Party is no hero for the US - they are poison - of hate and ignorance - who is given far to much air time - and who is available to do a lot of damage before the poison is out of the system...

Diclotican

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
16. Unhope
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

You really can't lump Alex Jones in with Thom Hartman...

RT is a great resource, you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

You have to sort it out no matter what the source.And RT is a great resource. You however seem to be a paid troll that is on this board for the sole purpose to bash RT.


 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
17. "paid troll" lol
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jun 2014

who the heck is paying to bash RT? Please let me know, I'll take the dough. It'd be like getting paid to bash FOX or like falling off a log

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
22. RT can have some very important issues on
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jun 2014

That you do not hear about on US mainstream news networks. Like all news sources they should not be your only one.

Its true that the top source of funding is the Russian government (So is the CBC here in Canada for what's that worth). So I would listen to it as a station that would like to raise issues that would embarrass the US government, which they do with the Snowden issue for instance. That doesn't mean their stories are to be dismissed out of hand. Of course it cannot be ones sole news source, but it is actually refreshing to hear perspectives on the US which is free from all strings to big American corporate agendas and bought and paid for politicians. Not only refreshing but vitally important.

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