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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:14 PM Jun 2014

Hillary Clinton 2016: A Recipe for Endless War



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Abby Martin calls out former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton over her lucrative speaking tour in the run up to the 2016 presidential elections as well as outlining the former first lady's corporate ties including Wall Street fat cats and defense contractors.



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Hillary Clinton 2016: A Recipe for Endless War (Original Post) DeSwiss Jun 2014 OP
RT? MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #1
Why yes! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #4
You do know that RT MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #7
And whose mouthpiece are all the rest? DeSwiss Jun 2014 #8
Okay... MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #10
Yes it is a hit-piece. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #14
Group Think. kitt6 Jun 2014 #20
I've spent 8 years here watching it ebb and flow..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #21
Well said! another_liberal Jun 2014 #30
You've just described the very essence of our problems. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #34
The jingoism seems almost steroidal and opiate fueled. nilesobek Jun 2014 #38
Some of it is certainly "steroidal" . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #39
OK then, maybe its just blue dog crack. nilesobek Jun 2014 #45
What an ignorant assumption on your part. MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #41
Possessing a card which proclaims the word ''progressive'' on it..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #43
Recommend for Truth Confronting Power.... KoKo Jun 2014 #40
Telling the TRUTH is all we have left! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #44
bookmarking for later, thanks nt navarth Jun 2014 #2
De nada. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #5
Only on DU…. iandhr Jun 2014 #3
Yep, you said it. Beacool Jun 2014 #18
Indeed. I'm amazed that the mods allow it, but do. nt SunSeeker Jun 2014 #28
Abby Martin does soliloquies... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #6
That's easy. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #9
Quid pro quo hos! yallerdawg Jun 2014 #11
Yes! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #16
I don't care how much hell you raise, I am going to vote for Hillary. stonecutter357 Jun 2014 #12
Don't kill the messenger! wreq Jun 2014 #13
The problem with Democracy..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #15
Clinton/Cuomo 2016 blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #17
I don't think either one is gonna pass. :-} n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #22
Glass-Seagall Act. kitt6 Jun 2014 #19
And she can't even convince her old buds to back her play..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #23
very fortunate indeed! bwahahahahaha! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #33
Great Piece! supercats Jun 2014 #24
There you go. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #35
Abby Martin's crazy eyes at :24 seconds ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #25
I didn't know kitt6 Jun 2014 #27
Guess one could say there seems to be an endless war here against Hillary. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #26
Also, I do not see those acknowledging that Hillary has come out and said that her vote on Iraq was lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #29
I can say that I was on the fence before, levp Jun 2014 #31
Another one of the ''left behinders'' DeSwiss Jun 2014 #37
k & r & thanks again DeSwiss! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #32
De nada. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #36
RT.... Piece of Shit Source, for starters. MADem Jun 2014 #42
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
4. Why yes!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014
- In fact, Hillary herself finds RT ''quite instructive.''

She knows the TRUTH when she sees it. That's why it scares her......

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
7. You do know that RT
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jun 2014

Is Putin's mouthpiece, right?
Why in the hell would anyone in their right minds buy anything that asshole is selling?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
8. And whose mouthpiece are all the rest?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014
- I'm not into GroupThink, so I don't see why RT's any worse than the rest of the crap out there. It's all PROPAGANDA, it just depends whether you're going to swallow their BS (Belief System) or someone's else's. Besides, I don't believe anyone's BS. Not even my own. But I'm occasionally highly suspicious of some of my thoughts......

Every fact of science was once Damned. Every invention was considered impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and progress, everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man's refusal to bow to Authority. We would own no more, know no more, and be no more than the first apelike hominids if it were not for the rebellious, the recalcitrant, and the intransigent.

As Oscar Wilde truly said, Disobedience was man's Original Virtue.


~Robert Anton Wilson


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'Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.

Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we're not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that.

The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,' he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. 'Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?'

'Except-' began Winston doubtfully, and he stopped. It had been on the tip of his tongue to say 'Except the proles,' but he checked himself, not feeling fully certain that this remark was not in some way unorthodox.

Syme, however, had divined what he was about to say. 'The proles are not human beings,' he said carelessly. 'By 2050 earlier, probably -- all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron -- they'll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually changed into something contradictory of what they used to be.

Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking -- not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.'


~George Orwell, 1984

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
10. Okay...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014


I think RT is worse because, fuck Putin, that's why.

Seriously. This is such an obvious hit-piece.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. Yes it is a hit-piece.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jun 2014

It hits directly upon TRUTHS that you'd apparently prefer not to hear. And that you know you won't hear anywhere in the MSM.

- Which brings us right back to where we began this convo.....

“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” ~George Orwell





 

kitt6

(516 posts)
20. Group Think.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

Exactly. No research. Just sit up and try to fit in; all day long. (some do here)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. I've spent 8 years here watching it ebb and flow.....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

...it seems to be flowing more these days.

- Sort of like diarrhea: (1) The result of contact with germs or viruses planted by or picked from others. (2) It's logic and reasoning smells to high-heaven. (3) The sooner flushed and forgotten, the better.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
30. Well said!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jun 2014

But I doubt if it will change many minds around here. Too many people are in love with hating Russia. As long as they get their kicks from bashng President Putin and his country, no facts or logic will sway them. It's seems to almost be a kind of high for them.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
34. You've just described the very essence of our problems.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:38 AM
Jun 2014

Some laugh at TeaBaggers and their climate change denials, while holding tightly to their own prejudices as if they're the rational ones. It's clear that some cannot fathom a world without using an adversary as the impetus for our actions.

- Which is the other part of the reason the world is in the terrible shape it's in.......

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
41. What an ignorant assumption on your part.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jun 2014

I am a card carrying progressive, but because I don't buy into the Kremlins propaganda, I'm now a steroid and heroin using flag-waving jingoist??

Fuck you.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
43. Possessing a card which proclaims the word ''progressive'' on it.....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jun 2014

...doesn't make one a progressive. Just someone with a card that says that word on it. A real-world example would be: To say that a card saying ''Third-way Democrat'' makes one a ''Democrat.'' Nothing could be further from the truth. They're just someone using the word to achieve ends that run totally counter to the purpose of that party's existence. For the people, not for the corporations.

So you say it is the Kremlin's propaganda RT is reporting here on Putin's orders? Hillary's own recorded words being played back now, is somehow a plot against her hatched by Putin? How imaginative. Could be true I suppose. I mean I'm sure Putin lies awake at night worrying what Hillary's going to do next.

Oh, btw, no one called anyone a user of any drugs. He said, ''almost'' -- that's not the same as ''is.'' (You should do some work on your tenses).

- And you need to edit your post, because your last words aren't allowed here in that context when directed at someone.....


Have a nice day!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
44. Telling the TRUTH is all we have left!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014
- Actually, it's all we ever really had. But we didn't know that. We're only finding it now because some us realize we're threatened with losing it altogether.....

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
18. Yep, you said it.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

Let's bash Hillary by using Putin's mouthpiece. Because Putin is a shining example of what a progressive leader should be.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. Abby Martin does soliloquies...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jun 2014

as well as any network commentators on MSNBC or Fox.

Someday, the Supreme Court should explain the difference between a campaign donation and a bribe.

Or not.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. That's easy.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jun 2014

With a campaign donation to a ''Statesman'' -- there's no quid pro quo. Politicians who take bribes on the other hand, are known as ''quid pro quo hos.''

- The difference is subtle, I know. But that's the beauty of conservatism, you don't sweat the crap that doesn't effect you personally since you have no moral compass......



''The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.''

~John Kenneth Galbraith

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
16. Yes!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014
LATIN = ENGLISH
Hos = These

- Which is customarily followed by the hands being held out in front of one's body in a cupping fashion. You get the drift.....

As in: ''Quid Pro Quo These sucker!''
 

wreq

(8 posts)
13. Don't kill the messenger!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014

RT just reported the facts on Hillary's record. Hillary is a corporatist warmongering conservative. If you want more of our precious children to die in foreign lands, more power given to wall street, more bloated military budgets then by all means vote for Hillary. Hopefully a progressive Democrat will run so all this Hillary nonsense will evaporate to the ether.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
15. The problem with Democracy.....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jun 2014

...is we ain't got any of it. Not since the SCOTUS Coup of 2001.

TPTB have anointed Hils for the job. She waited her turn like a good girl and she will be rewarded. Otherwise the whole system will breakdown. And that's the point really. They need someone in the WH they can count on because its all about smoke & mirrors and always has been. But everyone can see behind the masks now.

But no one wants to give up the game because what? Chaos? Hell no. So we wait, and hope and play with the machine and pull its levers to make it roll all cherries or all oranges or all whatever! Just anything that's better than what we got! But unlike Vegas' one-arm variety where you at least have a chance at winning, these levers are all fashioned on Wall Street.

- And like their profit margins, they know how much to tweak it to make it payoff -- for them.


And welcome to DU.....

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
23. And she can't even convince her old buds to back her play.....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jun 2014

...when she claimed she and Bill were ''broke'' in 2001:



- When Rahm can get away with ridiculing you, what will the professional comedians do to her?
 

supercats

(429 posts)
24. Great Piece!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

This should be seen by every so-called progressive/liberal out there. I have been saying this (though not as well) for some time now and I only wish everyone would see this. Elect a woman? I'm all for it, just not this one....How about Elizabeth Warren???? She's my first choice for President!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
35. There you go.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:51 AM
Jun 2014

I'm not an advocate of our current system of governance as I would prefer a resource-based economy and I hope that is the direction in which we move. Capitalism and the perversions it perpetrates daily upon all peoples and governments of the world, is the force behind most of the evil perpetrated in the world. I believe we need a paradigm shift to a totally new system that removes selfishness and greed from the decision-making process. The so-called justifications for it are total BS.

- And I can think of no woman who would be a better change agent than Elizabeth Warren. I believe she gets it.....

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
25. Abby Martin's crazy eyes at :24 seconds
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jun 2014

Wow. Why hasn't FOX hired her (aside from she's not blonde)? She's clearly angry that such a powerful woman like Hillary might give Komrade Shorty Putin fits.

Oh well, fuck her and Putin's horse too.

 

kitt6

(516 posts)
27. I didn't know
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

that you could curse and talk out of your head at du? That being the case this sight would be called "white fury," by now.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Guess one could say there seems to be an endless war here against Hillary.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:49 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary is a chief backer of women's rights and equal pay to women and when she is able to receive compensation for her speaking to different groups she has taken the pay. I doubt if there are lots of those speaking against Hillary but would be more than happy to jump in and take the money. Does any of those wishing for their activist dreams have the kind of money to give to hear someone speak? I hear over and over about Hillary being close to Wall Street but have yet to hear anyone jump up and say they will furnish the funds for a run to the presidency.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
29. Also, I do not see those acknowledging that Hillary has come out and said that her vote on Iraq was
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jun 2014

one of her worst decisions. How she would work to open relations with Cuba, how she believes that the environment is one of the biggest issues facing the world, and that something must be done regarding global warming.

It is just women's rights and equal pay for equal work she is for, it applies to everyone.

The problem here at DU is not that people should back their preferential candidate, but once the primaries have decided on the nominee there are those who say they won't vote if the candidate is Hillary.

Is there that lack of critical thinking on DU that they do not see the difference between Hillary and any of the republican nominees?

I don't think so, I believe without a doubt the vast majority on DU will vote for the Democratic nominee




levp

(188 posts)
31. I can say that I was on the fence before,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jun 2014

but this makes me want to vote for Secretary Clinton more!
Thanks, RT!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. RT.... Piece of Shit Source, for starters.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jun 2014


But here's what that garbage source unintentionally is saying:

If Putin doesn't like her, that means she's the BEST thing for this country! He wouldn't diss her so hard, and so unprofessionally, if he were not really, REALLY a-skeered of her!

Thanks for the endorsement, Vlad!


----HRC




Lame ass mutha--the "blue scary face" is an especially hackneyed touch. But of course, Putin's crew has all the subtlety of a Mack truck. It's sort of like the twisted offspring of Karl Rove and FauxSnooze...some woman substituting "legs" for content, and SCARY fact-free reportage.

Let's see a report on Vladdie Boy's million dollar watch collection--amazing how a guy could amass such a massive grouping on the salary (cough, choke, laugh) he supposedly "makes" every year. One would suspect he gets a five fingered discount, or he helps himself to samples from the treasury!

I'd rate this entire effort as an especially big FAIL. Certainly not worthy of DU.
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