can't believe the jury let it stand...

Sourcewatch is extremely progressive and they have a pretty detailed wiki about this. Essentially Al-Qaida really was not actually a real movement, but a loose group of a extremists. Of course now, after years of war, there really is a huge movement of extremists in their place.

It doesn't take "RT" to point that out - It has been well known in the liberal/progressive community.

Center for Media and Democracy - Sourcewatch Wiki

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Al-Qaida

based on some idiotic black-and-white view of geopolitics.

about your support of antigay laws, closing down independent media, etc etc

and they are very popular, in the Arab world, Egypt, Iraq, the Gulf States, etc. It is no wonder there is so much hate because it is carefully taught. The worst stereotypes, absurd prosthetic make-up, a load of baby killing to get blood for bread...it's horrific.

I agree w/you about RT--it is Russian State television, straight to you via the good offices of Vlad Putin and his FSB goons.

I'm not with you regarding RT.

When you advocate censorship of an entire media outlet, you advocate a behavior which is consistent with the totalitarian regimes you say you abhor. (Don't get me wrong - I don't like 'em, either). And if you're using the ownership argument, then in the interest of being intellectually honest, you should apply the same standard to other outlets like Al Jazeera, BBC, and all of the domestic (read: corporate-backed) megaphones. I believe that our domestic outlets also put out propaganda, reflective of their corporate ownership, and that it can be just as harmful as anything put out by RT.

Don't get me wrong - Putin is bad news. I'm aware of his government's treatment of their LGBT population, and I find it morally repugnant, as well.

We have every right to call foul on media content we may disagree with. I would submit that one of the very reasons for this discussion board's existence is to do just that. But banning an entire media outlet? I don't think so.

their bias, propaganda is what we should do with all media sources, both foreign and national. imho

On US banks/Corporation malfeasance; The inequities of the American economy;
Excesses and obfuscations of US corporate media; and many other issues.

it still beats FOX and CNN, any day of the week.

I'm pretty sure the gentleman stated facts, not theories in his interview. Not once did he disparage the Israelis. He simply stated facts that are undeniable with regard to how the US and the UN have treated Israel.

He clearly stated "Israel is not the problem." A direct quote from the interview. I'm not sure how he could state it in a manner that does not condemn Israel better than that. Did you miss that part of the interview?

The REAL problem is US foreign policy. Our need to dominate every other nation on the planet to the benefit of our multi-national corporations.

Also from the video:

(1:28-1:37) "The real problem are the Je---...is the leaders of the American-Jewish community in the United States who influence and corrupt our Congress to support Israel when we have no interest there."

Did you listen to the same video?

That not only takes the entire thing out of context, but also fundamentally changes its meaning. Why don't you remove the ellipses and show the quote as it was actually written?

The ellipses represent pause. If you bothered to listen to the time stamp I gave, you will see it is a word for word translation, no fancy double-speak or misdirection needed.

Not parts of two quotes.

If the two aren't separate, why can't you off the complete sentence, or sentences. The way it appears now suggests you want to alter the original meaning.

Watch the damn thing. He was speaking, caught himself about to say "Jews", changed it to "Jewish American leaders", then finished his thought. The way it appears now is you want to claim it isn't clearly what it is in order to hide the anti-Semitic bent to it. YOU are the only claiming it was two different quotes cobbled together, but anyone who actually watched it would know YOU are not reporting correctly. Hell, you don't even have to watch the whole thing, it is right at the beginning of the segment. I even gave you the call numbers! Why do you keep quoting YOURSELF as if to imply it is something I said?!

(1:28-1:37) "The real problem are the Je---(pause) is the leaders of the American-Jewish community in the United States who influence and corrupt our Congress to support Israel when we have no interest there."


Is that better?!

I'll watch it already.

Perhaps you should watch the interview before you condemn RT. Are you categorically condemning Al Jazera and the BBC too? Both of those networks tend to report things you will never see on the US MSM and not at all flattering to the US.

If it was anyone other than the Russian culture he would have been banned for hate long ago.

Unfortunately we are back in the cold war mentality. Shame that we could not leave that part of it in the past. Red-baiting seems to be back too. Who will be the next McCarthy?

Sounds about right. Good call, newthinking.

Just for your information, new guy, insulting your fellow posters here will get your comments hidden from view. You get too many hidden like that, and it is bye, bye.

Have fun!

Pet Kremlin "news source" that has even less credibility than Faux "news."

If it means running old, discredited "Jews control the world" CT's, Russia Today will broadcast them.

I'm sure you do better on other days.

I smell troll.

Bizzarre. I think people are losing their nuggins.

We have a someone who is so full of himself that he has the gall to call a major international news source "propaganda," and does so in the same paragraph that he employs that very tactic against fellow DU members?

Some people . . . (sigh)

if I can ever stoop low enough to presume that my interests are more important than everyone else on the planet.

Your silence is LOUD, especially as it couples your silence on the Government led Gay bashing.

Hartmann's complicity of silence. It's worse than just silence: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/10/1283668/-Thom-Hartmann-Sticking-with-RT-despite-Resignations-over-Putin-s-Actions-in-Ukraine

and http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/14/1284814/--When-Pro-Putin-progressives-attack-the-latest

videos can and do get pulled

If one makes an alert that claims an OP will ruin DU forever, the hosts cant help unless the OP actually violates the SOP.

A problem we have in DU is that there are a number of people that become convinced that they know when something should be locked/hidden/banned and wont listen to anyone that disagrees. This is conservative behavior and doesnt belong in DU. This is a site for politically liberals that dont obsess over alerting/locking/hiding/banning.

I am saying dont try to protect me from RT. Let me make up my own mind.

so congratulations as RWers take over DU

arent afraid that sites like RT will corrupt them. Give liberals more credit. They dont need you to decide what they should or shouldnt read or see.

here to share information and opinions.

You are wise to alert less knowledgeable members to the fact that RT is Russian State owned. I don't agree with much we hear on CNN or Faux News. I'm often shocked by the Republican propaganda Joe Scarbourgh spouts on MSNBC.

I monitor the site for tidbits into the thinking of czar putin. There is one talk show of value. "Worlds Apart" with Oksana Boyko, atheist and feminist. She has guests who challenge the "Duma" way of thinking. You should watch the interviews with US Professor Khruscheva, and others who shred both RT and Putin.

Also, see the link below for other sources of those who are willing to speak truth to Russian power, and the consequences.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/04/moscow-professor-who-criticized-putins-crimean-invasion-has-been-fired-daughter-says/

And if you dont like RT then trash the OPs but plez dont try to ban it. Let the rest of us make up our own minds.