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According to the ministry, the man was involved in a car crash on Monday with a group of separatists.
''There was a row after the accident,'' the ministry explained.
''The separatists shot the Pole, who was then taken to a hospital in Kharkiv.
''Unfortunately, from the very outset doctors gave little chance of survival.''
According to a Polish website kresy.24, which specialises in Poland's borderland regions, the victim was named Kazimierz Wrobel, and he lived with his family in eastern Ukraine.
The site claimed that the man was not involved in the armed conflict in any capacity.
He is the first Pole to die in the conflict to date.
Meanwhile, the foreign ministry has reiterated its advice to ethnic Poles to leave the region.
Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz said in Prague on Monday that ''Poland is interested in solving the armed conflict of our eastern neighbours,'' but that Warsaw ''has not changed its views on sanctions imposed on Russia.'' (nh)
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Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Why should we trust "UT" (Ukraine Today) any more than we trust Faux News or the New York Slimes (...WMDs in Iraq, remember, day after day, from the Slimes)?
There is NO connection, in this 'news' report, between the footage of a soldier firing off shells and others resting near a concrete structure, and the ALLEGED report that (according to this vid) "drunken militants" beat and shot the Polish man. These soldiers are obviously NOT the "drunken militants" (or the vid would have said so).
Nor is there any effort to identify what group the "drunken militants" belong to, if any, nor what they may be "militant" in regard to. There is no effort to verify what the Polish media (whoever that is) alleges (witnesses? evidence?). (This vid IDs the dead man but provides no details, evidence or witnesses to corroborate "the Polish media's" allegation--and no source is provided in "the Polish media."
And there is also no reason to believe that Vladimir Putin would approve of drunken mayhem among Russian soldiers or allied Ukraine soldiers. Is President Obama personally guilty (um, "Putin's thugs" of every incident of drunken disorder, murder, rape or other crime committed by U.S. military personnel around the world, or of, say, the crimes of the Colombian military and its rightwing death squads? Would it be right to call the latter "Obama's thugs," when they, for instance, murder youngsters and dress the boy's bodies up as FARC guerrillas, to up their "body count" and earn points with U.S. senators?
I think not. I may blame Obama for arming Colombia's criminal military and its death quads (billions of our tax dollars) but I would NOT claim that such crimes were committed by "Obama's thugs." (Bush Jr., Cheney & Rumsfeld are another matter.)
Why do you change the word "proxies" (Putin's proxies) to "thugs" (Putin's thugs)? The actual headline of this newsclip says "proxies"--a very ambiguous word. What "proxies" means here is that they have no evidence that there is any connection between Putin and whoever murdered the Polish man.
What I gather from this is that you want a U.S. war on Russia, as the Polish government may want and as the Polish media, and whoever is funding Ukraine Today, may want. Why? Why are you promoting what appears to be mere war propaganda.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)UT is not making this up--see the news report from Poland.
You really went ballistic in your post--to accuse someone of wanting to "nuke 'em" is really a knee-jerk response. Perhaps you need to take a vacation.
But in case your reaction was founded in a pursuit of a better world, and not in apologia for the Russian dictatorship, I updated the post with more sources