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The Guardian: Hillary Clinton Flip Flops (Original Post) portlander23 Oct 2015 OP
You know, when you make mistakes like these, they aren't "plain and simple"... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #1
Ugh. WHY would anyone vote for her? AzDar Oct 2015 #2
Beats me... Thespian2 Oct 2015 #3
I won't. 840high Oct 2015 #4
That's the big question. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #9
Why is all the flip flopping acceptable to some? azmom Oct 2015 #5
As someone here wrote recently they go with the presumed 'winner' whoever, whenever. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Oct 2015 #6
K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #8
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #10
This who we may have to vote for, we need to get her to evolve even more and hold her to her.... marble falls Oct 2015 #11
Are there any HRC supporters who are willing to discuss these issues? Android3.14 Oct 2015 #12
aggressive war isn't a mistake. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #13
Calling them flip-flops doesn't do it justice. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #14

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
1. You know, when you make mistakes like these, they aren't "plain and simple"...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:23 PM
Oct 2015

They demonstrate how much work you contribute to being the visionary leader we need today.

If you do the work as she has done, count on it..... COUNT ON IT... changing in accordance to what she's "learned" tomorrow.

That's not leadership and it's certainly not the leadership I've seen all along in every single vote of Bernie Sanders.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
5. Why is all the flip flopping acceptable to some?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Oct 2015

I really don't understand that. These are things that should doom her candidacy.

appalachiablue

(41,105 posts)
7. As someone here wrote recently they go with the presumed 'winner' whoever, whenever.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:33 PM
Oct 2015

It's inbuilt in many. Also few regular people will see the reality in this video that's illustrated so clearly. The Clintons have also built up political capital and many loyal connections over 25+ years. Few know much about the real manoueverings and inside stories regarding politicians and public figures. Corporate owned media is also influenced and biased we know.

Response to portlander23 (Original post)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. K&R.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:56 AM
Oct 2015

Keep this kicked, please.

It's important that everyone note that Hillary makes a lot of mistakes of judgment.

Bernie was on the right side of each of these issues from the get-go. That's because he has better judgment than Hillary.

marble falls

(57,014 posts)
11. This who we may have to vote for, we need to get her to evolve even more and hold her to her....
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:29 AM
Oct 2015

change and promises.

Trump, any of the rest of the clown car? Or Hilliary Clinton? If thats our choice is there really any doubt?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
13. aggressive war isn't a mistake.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:22 AM
Oct 2015

It's a crime, and the worst crime there is. She enthusiastically supported the World's worst crime this century.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
14. Calling them flip-flops doesn't do it justice.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

Her stance on gay marriage seems to have been just poll chasing. I wonder if she really cared either way about gay marriage. Was there a time where her evolving position jumped ahead of the polls? I cannot think of it.

On the TPP, the current version, which is still reprehensible, has more protections for labor and reduces protections for drug companies. The labor protections were weaker and the protection of drug company patents were stronger when she was negotiating it. So now she is against it? This is so absurdly cynical.

On the Keystone her opposition isn't even really opposition. She consideres it a "distraction from the real work of fighting climate change" (paraphrased). She could easily trade it off in a deal for some very weak-sauce legislated compromises. She never really agreed with the scientists who think this is one of the more horrible deals for the environment. She doesn't stand on the principle or the science, but on some idea of a future deal that she never actually outlines. Cynical, cynical, cynical...


I am still kicking and recommending this post.

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