She's smart and principled.

Gotcha! If I said anything more, I could get the dreaded personal pan sized pizza to GO!!

Is probably pretty much the same number of Sanders supporters who were not going to vote for a Democrat anyway. Many of them are libertarians. A lot of them are right wingers who are just playing games with the elections, and others are right wing trolls who come out every election year to spread their taking points to try and get any gullible Democrat to NOT vote come election time.

many are the liberal left who will vote for the Green Party candidate

/bye.

.. in light of no substance from HRC and the policies stink. Can't wait to extract more heads from asses.

Want the full write up? http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511452032

If I, in California, decide I won't vote for Hillary in the general- not gonna matter much. More to the point- if she's fighting to win here, she's already lost.

Get used to this...... President Trump

in the general. Bernie can beat Trump, Hillary can't. And Hillary folks are being told in advance, they have no excuse to pretend that their candidate will be viable in the general.

Perhaps it is what the Democratic party needs: not inevitability but a dose of reality.

How can a fad follower be expected to actually know what happened 8 years ago.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

please say so.

You and a few others here.

I am literally speechless at such a suggestion.

Indeed, I've been careful not to, as I wouldn't want Hillary taking my vote for granted the way others here are only to willing to allow.

Anyway, when the Democratic primary is over, I'll be more than happy to declare my views, though I think it's pretty clear Bernie is gonna be the nominee, so it'll be an easy decision.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Ignorant? They don't really know how government works/

Selfish? They don't care what happens to people in the real world who aren't' them.

Uninformed? Have been suckered by right wing media.

Star struck? If it doesn't make me seem special, why bother.

That mean's I should screw everyone else because I'm in a pissy mood.

Or that voter could grow up, get busy electing liberals to state and local positions. Could recognize that you don't get every toy you want every time and not shit on everyone else because they can't have what they want.

Buck up. Do the right thing. Accept life. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. Don't take your little hurt and go hide in a privileged little corner while nursing your spite.

Hillary wins. I support her. Then fight her centrist actions.

Bernie wins. I support him. Then try to overcome the shit that the republicans will begin dumping. They haven't even found the shovel they will use to bury him. They have already broken a dozen on Hillary. No new shovels. Just the same old, old same old that only work on the easily duped. When they get after Bernie, it will be all new lies. You think you have no confidence in the system? I have little confidence in the judgement and maturity of the electorate.

Support the better of the candidates for office once they are both nominated. To do otherwise is brainless and selfish.

In the primary that's Bernie! In the general (if Hillary is the Dem) that's Jill Stein. She is far more progressive than Hillary, and not beholden to the fossil fuel industry, big banks or big pharma.

These numbers say nothing about Bernie's supporters being disloyal Democrats. They say a lot about the extent to which he has already won over people who do not normally vote Democratic.

Some of those people may not be in it for the long haul. But a lot of them -- especially the Millennials -- represent a rising generation that can either be sealed in as supporters of progressive Democratic policies or be lost permanently.

In 1932, my mother was working as a secretary for $8 a week and was all set to join the Communist Party until they told her she'd have to get up early on Sunday mornings to sell the Daily Worker on street corners. So she said no thanks -- and that fall FDR was elected and (give or take the occasional candidate who would choke a horse) she was a reliable Democratic voter for the next sixty years.

Today's young people are in much the same situation. We either win them over now or kiss them goodbye forever.

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in office. That's how you change things, from the ground up, not the top down. Whether it's HRC , BS or Jill Stein nothing will be accomplished unless you have the congress at your back. That what happened with all those star struck Obama supporters. They bailed on him in the mid-terms and he's had to battle the congress for 6 years, actually almost eight with Ted Kennedy and Richard Byrd sick and dying and Al Franken's contested election. He was the Left's last messiah before Bernie. Let's see how long his ardent supporters have his back once he's part of the establishment. Will they be there for the mid-term in 2018?

I'll vote for Bernie if he's the nominee, but I don't expect him to come anywhere close to accomplishing what he has promised. I just want a Democrat, or Independent (I assume BS will leave the party once he's elected) to fill Supreme Court vacancies. Otherwise whatever progress the left has made since FDR will be toast for the next generation.

How about we stop asking people to abandon their principles to vote against their interests?

You're sneering condescension tells me all I need to know about you.

/ignore list.

I want hope and change I can believe in !

' We don't have to do shit for liberal "fucking retards", because "where else are they going to go?". '

Or a game of chicken.

Will the politicos trust the Proles to fold like wet cardboard and fall into line? Are they sure they can they risk 4 years of Trump?

And are Bernie supporters aware of the absolute, unyielding entrenchment of the system? Can they afford the risk? Or will 4 years of Trump be politics as usual to a beaten down citizenry?

Bob Marley said it best: My belly full, but I'm hungry. A hungry man is an angry man.

Some people just want to watch the world Bern.

explaining why they endorsed Hillary on my behalf without effing bothering to even go through the motions of asking me. Yeah, they pretty much said we rank and file better just go along to get along.

From about 8 years ago:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

This cycle feels different, however. The BernieorBusters seem a little more determined, and their desertion from the party at large seems somewhat more committed, with ramifications downballot more ominous. '08's PUMAs did not vacate as much as they told pollsters they would, but their Democratic roots were firmer than the Berners. There's been much evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that Bernie's independent support is vast and exclusive to him.

Michigan's results are the most recent example.

that went well

if we pull a stunt like this in November, we deserve Trump and his four SCOTUS picks. Wake up children, go left and stay left.

I use to say blue no matter who but y'all have made me change my mind. I will not compromise my vote.

boot the Ron Paul supporters out. (er Bernie Sanders supporters out. which I'm sure thats the #1 reason Mittens lost. he never got the Ron Paul supporters back