I haven't seen him speak in quite a while, but in addition to his bizarre argument, he seems to lack the sort of poise he once had.

Truthfully, I feel kind of sorry for him.

See full context videos below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32

for voting.

So many things wrong with that post, I'm not even touching it. But it explains why you might think people here haven't done their homework. You have a very odd perspective on things.

Oh, I will say one thing. If you forced every eligible citizen in the US to vote, Hillary would never win the nomination. A lot of people who don't bother voting would actually side with progressive ideas.

I saw enough in the longer clip in the OP to know that no matter what else Bill shoved into his speech, he was throwing Obama under the bus.

He's talking about obstructionism and Hillary will ride Bernie's unicorn to Congress and lead the Republicans in a rousing version of kumbaya before compromising her way to slight incremental victory.

And about all those bribes well... No one wants to see how sausage is made... But isn't it yummy.

Unless you're the American public... I mean the pig.

..

It's all nonsense though. Clinton was just trashing Obama again. Maybe he thinks Obama should be relegated back to Bag Carrier and Chief.

I mean he's not a Muslim... As far as I know.

‘Game Change’ Excerpt: Bill Clinton On Obama: ‘A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Getting Us Coffee’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/game-change-bill-clinton-_n_417546.html

– Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), and a group of other senators who would back Hillary Clinton’s candidacy encouraged Obama to run for the White House as early as 2006. The concern over Clinton was that she would be a weak Democratic standard-bearer while Obama could energize the party. In late summer 2007, Schumer – using an Obama ally, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), as a back channel – pushed the candidate to “take a two-by-four to Hillary,” as the authors put it.

–In lobbying the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Bill Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” the authors paraphrase. A spokesman for the former president declined to comment on the claim.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/book-obama-biden-clashed-in-08-031302#ixzz43asZlbJo
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The Rethugs have been engaged in nothing but obstructionism since the day Obama took office.

to mean something else. You may have been duped. OP has not commented on or defended his first post. You might want to consider that.

Full 45 minute speech here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32

I was saying that it wasn't a canned response -- that it was true that Clinton was referring to Repub obstructionism.

some sweet tea and lots of sunshine.

BSS still smearing. Envy is an ugly emotion

That's a good ouch I should add.

I mean "bull" and "horn"? I think Viagra should use them in commercials.

without having someone else read that over

To Obama's legacy before he even leaves office. And this is what they say during the primary season.

he started going a bit bonkers. The arteriosclerosis narrowing was affecting his brain and his kidneys were beginning to fail. His personality changed and not for the better. Bill doesn't look good and doesn't sound good. I wonder.

She was wonderful in the AM but by midnight she wandered around the house screaming for help.
It was heart breaking. Sorry that you had to go through that.

You as well.

I caught @ell for saying that a couple of years ago. It could be the combination but either way he has issues.

He was a glass scientist before the surgery. He didn't die but he was never the same. He could walk about and talk about volatile species but he was not able to cope with the interpersonal aspects of life. Life was hard for my friend and his family.

I don't blame President Clinton but the campaign is responsible for the damage he does. He shouldn't be collecting money and possibly promising things that can not be delivered. This mis speak today should come with an apology.

was something that nurses would ask about when patients came out of CVICU a bit on the goofy side. The time does seem to be a factor but the very act of clamping an atherosclerotic aorta can cause the brain to be showered with microemboli. The effects are noticeable within a short time after recovery of surgery.

But, his surgery was quite a while back and he seemed to be running on all cylinders until recently. There shouldn't be a sudden loss of function now due to his past cardiac bypass.

Something seems different but I'm supposing that it is a combination of his health, schedule, diet, stress...

I'm going to refrain from making any diagnoses, although you know I want to.

by a GOP hit piece, red meat for Clinton haters, as it's only 39 seconds to take a message of inclusion out of context.

See the full speech here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32

Sincere love and sympathies,

Betty

What a foul thing to do.

That would be the honest and decent thing to do.

Didn't Hillary say she plans to continue the policies of President Obama? If that's the case, what he is saying still doesn't make sense.

When banking was deregulated, telecommunications deregulated, NAFTA approved, welfare defored . . . .

And the twelve years before that, too, when we only had Republicans to blame for Reaganomics. Then came the DLC and Reaganomics became bipartisan.

That's 36 years of bad government that needs to be undone.

It's why I don't trust Hillary, but she is still better than Trump or Cruz.

As well as bashing Republicans for their obstructionism and 2016 clown car.

Here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32

There was a power outage in this part of town when you posted that and then the videos on the KXLY website kept clashing the plugin. I finally saw them on YouTube this morning and I post them here:
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Obama just went under the Clinton bus....

but I saw her and Bill's outrage at Obama, and I saw signs in 2011 of her intention to challenge him in 2012, and I saw the brittleness with which they treated each other on camera -- insincere smiles, stilted body language -- and I have heard her subtle and not-so-subtle criticisms of Obama's foreign policy.

So it comes as no surprise that Bill finally spilled the beans on their undying resentment of President Obama.

I'm too stunned to have any other words. Except for that when I was at the polls last Tuesday, doing canvassing, I kept hoping Bill Clinton would show up. I would be famous now

No more need for the Clintons to continue to wrap themselves in Obama's legacy, now that that tactic has outlived its usefulness.

Time to "pivot toward the GE" and show the voters the type of candidate those speaking fees really bought.

I shudder to think of the messes he'll make.

I.E., Reagan 2.0 for the next eight years.

segment on the Clinton's like and dislike list...

Odd that. They seem to have a deflection for everything. Is this the straw that broke the camel's back or something?

to slam the Clinton's on. See below. You can watch the full 45 minute speech and decide for yourself. His speeches all begin with an idea he builds on to complete his closing message, as most speeches are done.

Red meet hit piece. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And I think you misread the context.

That said, looking over the number of posts and cross-posts from Hillary supporters whenever Bernie does anything, I think it's a bit hypocritical.

unless they're labeled. Who am I? Bernie or Hillary supporter. I'll save you the trouble, I'm both. I support both. I'll vote for either. I love them both. They are both admirable people who will make a great presidential representative for our United States. In fact, I support both Hillary and Bernie supports and wish them all the best, encouraging them to find more supporters so we can eventually run these scum bag Republis out of office.

As it turns out, I was right about OP being a RW hit piece, which means that your rebuttal to my post seems to place you in the category of all those who jumped onto this Clinton bashing bandwagon hastily and now you are the one with egg on your face. I hope the shame burns long enough for you to become more skeptical in the future.

It was the typical underhanded Clinton dig that they walkback later.

How many people here have posted this out of context right wing hit piece? How many here have rec ed it?


The convention can't come too soon!

Just look in the Hillary group for all the Bernie posts...

There are trolls working both sides to make haters between the two sides. I love Bernie and I love Hillary. They're both great people who would do well as president. And I vigorously support Bernie supporters voicing their candidates message in a positive way.

Let's make sure that the next president is a democrat. That's all that matters. Anything else is too awful to imagine.

I don't agree with your view of Hillary. At this point in time, it's unlikely that I would vote for her if she wins. I could have before Jan, but not now after seeing who she really is. Maybe that'll change by Nov, but it's unlikely.

Abstaining from voting for her if that is the result, also doesn't mean that I won't vote for Democrats in down-ticket races (although, I'd have a really hard time supporting any candidate that supported Hillary).

I think this year is going to be different. Some people aren't going to be able to get over watching her blatantly lie, not when it's so easy to look things up on the Internet during the debates, etc... Bernie fans like Bernie because of policies and don't idolize him like a cult leader. Just because he endorses someone, it won't change the fact that many of his supporters think for themselves and saw who Hillary truly is.




For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

like the rest of us will. We have two excellent candidates and you're going to make others suffer because you don't like one of the two.

Sad. I cannot imagine your mindset.

You mean one honest uncorrupt politician working for all Americans and one corrupt warmonger owned by Wall St then sure. Otherwise I cannot imagine your mindset...

Not voting for Hillary (if she is the nominee and someone doesn't vote for her in Nov) does absolutely nothing to make anyone else suffer.

Bernie is neither of those and neither is Hillary. Where is your evidence of such nonsense? Or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox News over the past 24 years? FYI, Fox News doesn't want either Bernie or Hillary to be president. You might want to consider that when you're absorbing their entertainment message.

but I kind of agree with revbones on this one. Although, if it comes down Hillary vs Trump, I'll vote with my conscience and write-in Bernie. I'll sleep better at night knowing I voted for the best candidate.

Always vote your conscience over what others try to tell you.

who watches the whole speech can see Clinton was talking about Republican obstructionism, not Obama.

Not seeing things your way is hardly a reason to call someone dishonest though.

I will say when someone tells so many lies as Hillary, it's got to have a trust effect on people so perhaps that's why they have a hard time seeing what you're talking about...



For the inevitable jurors:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

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and Hillary was the most truthful of the list, though Bernie was a close second. Both of them rated as far more truthful than any of the Repubs.

It's a GOP smear that Hillary is less honest than other politicians. She's, once again, being held to a different standard.

Politico? Really? They are conservative. And from which times did they analyze? I've never heard Bernie lie. I've seen Hillary do it more times than I can count. I'll be voting for the only candidate that can pass a polygraph and that's Bernie.

I meant to say Politifact.

The truth is that in activist circles there never really were many Clinton supporters. She has her minions that have directly worked for her and other than that her votes come from name recognition.

white voters and that's why they're being duped into strongly supporting her -- just because of name recognition.

Despicable. People of any color can vote based on name recognition. You only think that applies to white people? It applies to most people. The more time Bernie has to show people who he is the more they will vote for him. Do tell how supporting mass incarceration and private prisons is good for African-Americans. I'd love to hear your defense.

for only reacting to name recognition, you're criticizing a group that is much more heavily minority than Bernie's supporters.

And it's despicable to accuse her supporters of being more ignorant than his. The public has had plenty of time to learn about him and most of them are saying, no thanks.

You mention mass incarceration and private prisons. Obviously, you haven't bothered to read her positions. She gave her first speech about these issues in the fall of 2014 -- months before she began running for President. Bernie waited till the following summer, after BLM interrupted his speeches on other topics.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

End the era of mass incarceration, reform mandatory minimum sentences, and end private prisons.

Encourage the use of smart strategies—like police body cameras—and end racial profiling to rebuild trust between law enforcement and communities.

Help formerly incarcerated individuals successfully re-enter society.

“I will never stop working on issues of equality and opportunity, race, and justice. That is a promise. I’ve done it my entire adult life. I will always be in your corner.”
HILLARY, JULY 31, 2015

Hillary believes our criminal justice system is out of balance. In her first major speech of the campaign, she said we have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in America and called for an end to the “era of mass incarceration.”

Read more: 9 things you should know about Hillary Clinton’s plan to reform our criminal justice system

The definition of integrity is your words matching your actions. Hillary pushed draconian drug war actions. She also takes cash from the private prison industry. She won in the South. Let's see how the rest of the country votes. Do I think voters can make mistakes? Hell yes I do. Trying to say that's racist makes you look foolish and petty. Look at who SC nominated in the 2010 US Senate race. Most on DU thought it was election tampering. Seriously though I'd like you to defend that nomination.

She has announced that any attempted donations from that industry would be returned.

And she doesn't push draconian drug war actions. That's not true either.

You seem to have a problem with accuracy.

I see nothing that says she will.

I did not see her change her stance in the fall. Thank God Bernie pressure got to her. Now we need to see if it's just election trickery or if she follows through in real life.

that Bernie can't control -- millions spent on ads attacking Hillary, starting in Iowa -- just as she can't control super pac money spent on her behalf.

so she still takes private for profit prison money

Lobbyists are like lawyers (and often are lawyers): they represent multiple clients. Just because you hire a lobbyist who is also hired by someone else doesn't mean you have any other connection -- anymore than you are connected to your lawyer's other clients.

Everything she does is associated with deceit or subterfuge. She stopped taking money directly from private prisons in late October. Then turns out gets it anyway indirectly. I recall the military not being allowed to do research at my university that contributed to mass killing. So they gave money to an institution that then did it. It's called an end around. And I thought it was us who criticized rethugs for not being nuanced? By the way, she still took the cash for a decade. And people here excuse that? Excuses are for republicans.

I don't think she has a single problem with for-profit prisons, except they are not popular politically.

Other than the satisfaction in your own mind that you've disabused their erroneous statements and accusations, they will not see reason or believe. They will twist each fact into a fairy tale that fits their world view, or they respond with snark and sarcasm. So for me it's akin to hitting my head on a stone wall. The best result will be at the Convention in Philadelphia on July 28th when Hillary Rodham Clinton steps up to the podium amid thunderous applause and says, "Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the Democratic Party's nomination to be their candidate for President of the United States." Mic drop.

It's exactly why I support Bernie. Obama flip flopped on NSA and telecom immunity before he was even sworn in. People have a right to be skeptical and not trust anyone. You can only be burned so many times.

You might what to brush up.

Many African-Americans notice that. As a prominent Black DU critic of Sanders told me: I don't like Clinton either, but we can work with her. It is all about the machine.

To attack Bernie Sanders is also reprehensible.

Like so many things before.

We have so many of them on ignore.

This means readership in Hollywood. Not good for Team Clinton!

http://www.thewrap.com/bill-clinton-rips-awful-legacy-of-the-last-8-years-video/

I've no doubt in my mind now that he was referring to Obama and not the Congress as some are suggesting.

He really is a liability to her campaign.

right?

Then you can provide a satisfactory explanation as to how Obama's legacy of the last seven years became the awful legacy of eight years...

Unless, of course, Bill is talking about the awful economic legacy of the last eight years rather than Obama's legacy...

But that wouldn't fit your narrative, would it?

This whole thing reminds me of the way right wing media manipulate content to fit their narrative. They also show you a small snippet out of context and put their spin on it. Remember how much fun they had with Obama's "Muslim faith"?

And repeating a 0:39 second excerpt that has no other purpose than as a clinton hit piece to take a message out of context. His 45 minute speech was about Hillary's inclusion of everybody in the political process and how she's the best candidate going forward that can bring democrats, independents and republicans together. It was at a rally to encourage Hillary volunteers and how he feels Hillary is the best change maker. Not a message where he's taking down PBO. SHAME ON YOU!!!

not being able to "put themselves in the picture" that Barack Obama has painted.

Are you willing to accept that Bills message about Hillary was that of inclusion, empowering everybody and bringing more people into the political process and sharing in American progress?

Watch his full speech. His message is a positive message for democrats and bringing Americans together.

although that is the point he was trying to make, it is what it is...

beginning to end. He doesn't bash Bernie, he doesn't bash Obama, but he does build up Hillary and bash Republicans, if you cared to know.

Let's face it, he made deals that fked the country long term and although a deal maker his JUDGMENT ON WHAT DEALS TO MAKE was often in the 1%s interest, not mine. And if we're to take him at his word we'd get to expect more from hrc.

Nobody, not even you, is 100% right in every decision 100% of the time. But because he made a few bad decisions while making the majority of right decisions, that in YOUR mind disqualifies him and HRC as deserving of YOUR expectations? You have very high expectations indeed!!

I hope you apply those expectations equally to Bernie Sanders too. Poor man, I feel, even he wouldn't live up to YOUR expectations if you pinned a microscope on him.

Back on point though, the only thing we have to face are the facts of history, which can be backed up by results that even you might find having, in fact, benefited the majority of Americans and that you can read the 50 pages of accomplishments here of:

A NATION TRANSFORMED
Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 - 2000

It goes on and on and on. 22 Million jobs created. Turned the largest budget deficit in U.S. history into the largest surplus in U.S. history, tried to kill Bin Ladin, made agreements with the former Soviet Union to destroy and in fact did destroy/dismantle nuclear weapons, lowered crime, raised wages, expanded the middle-class, shrank per capita government, longest economic expansion in U.S. history...shall I go on?

You can break the accomplishments down by state, by issue, by immigration policy, by foreign policy, by education policy, welfare, drugs and crime, it's your call...shall I go on? Or is that too low a standard to meet YOUR expectations and deserve your support?

Than YOU...you drinking again?