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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)She is the person responsible for running elections in Arizona.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)allowing the voting chaos. DNC, DWS, Hillary and her campaign, we the people.
This is not democracy.
jello
(33 posts)Thank you for that and someone needs to make sure the powers that be in Sanders campaign see this youtube and act!!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)to GOTV.
They knew that mail in ballots were the reality and that they were available to anyone who asked for them. So why didn't they encourage their voters to use them?
http://www.azsos.gov/elections
How do I request an early ballot or vote by mail?
An early ballot may be requested from your County Recorders office. To have your name placed on the Permanent Early Voter List (PEVL), complete a new voter registration form and check the box marked YES, I want to automatically receive an early ballot for each election for which I am eligible. Or you can log in to Service Arizona and complete this request online.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)for NOT GETTING OUT THE VOTE????????
What kind of reasoning is that?
Maybe he should have counseled everybody voting Bernie to use the "mail in" option?
Maybe that would have helped, but the many thousands of supporters standing in line can at least be excused for imagining that they would be taking part in a reasonably democratic procedure where legal voters would be allowed to vote.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and following up to make sure they did.
And in Arizona, or anywhere else where mail-in ballots are used, a responsible and effective campaign informs its voters to use them.
That's all we have in WA and OR and all the campaigns here call and make sure we're voting. That's a more effective use of campaign funds than tons of media ads.
jello
(33 posts)In OR our ballot shows up in our mailbox with ample time to fill it out and mail it back. In states that don't exclusively do mail-in the process is a little more complex. And, what's wrong with people wanting to go the polls to vote?...its their right to do so, and those in charge have the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that there are sufficient ballots for however many show up as well as enough polling places, and that the polls STAY OPEN UNTIL EVERYONE IN LINE VOTES!! NO ONE IN LINE SHOULD EVER BE TURNED AWAY on an election day in the United States of America.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)
Hillary will sign anything the Dem's have the vote for:
Finegold will be a Senator again, he will offer great liberal
Bill's for the Dems.
Hillary is crafty enough to trick the GOP in signing deals
the Dem's want.
The GOP are not smart: but they are mean and rich: Look how long
it took them to take on Trump: they failed and now their
party is a mess.
Hillary will start her term with almost full employment: and
and putting a judge on the court that will get rid of the money
in politics that the GOP put in.
yourout
(7,520 posts)The underlying problems were never fixed. All they did was print money.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)gloom and doom nonsense to sell a book; the only way we
will have another crash is if the GOP take the White House:
The GOP want to go to war with Iran and the wanted cut taxes:
the will crash the American economy as they always do:
Hillary need to pass Obama infrastructure bill: that will help
to rebuild the middle class:
The project need 3 trillion dollars: a lot of money; but nothing
like the money America spent on war and taxes.
Also don't forget the people will be paying back the treasury
with high taxes from higher wage jobs. r
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)working hard against the banks: with the votes they have:
and they have accomplished what they can.
Sanders never accomplished anything but talk!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They vote for a Union Steward and watch them like a hawk.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Dem's cannot vote for a non Dem or a socialist
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)So whatever she's for, you're for.
That must be very confusing for you.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)You need to read a little about the Dem party: you seem
confused about what the Dem party History.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Prior to that it was a failure under McGovern.
Right?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)have an ideology she: is a Dem and a Christian, that
is what FDR called himself
Sanders has an ideology socialism: he is not a Dem
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Sanders same 8 years was sitting on his behind doing nothing:
and letting the Dem's deal with the GOP.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Obama pulled THE BANKS out of the crash and did NOTHING for the rest of us who lost homes, equity, life savings, jobs...nothing!!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The Democratic party is not an ideological party,
nor is Hillary.
Dem's are "the caring and sharing party" if you will:
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)(Since we're trading bumper stickers)
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BTW: Dems are traditionally very socialist.
Back when they were more interested in people than profit.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)We live in a mix economy: but Dem's believe working: and
a safety net to help people back on to their feet.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)for free.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)Hillary supporters had nothing to do with it Bucko. I'm tired of Bernie supporters thinking they could win if only Hillary .....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)For being so tired of those pesky Bernie supporter thoughts, you certainly felt inclined to come here, read them, and express your own... it's almost like you've inadvertently acknowledged it's a political board, with differing opinions... crazy, I know!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and plenty of liberals vote. Is there something unique about Arizona liberals that keeps them from being able to fill out and return mail-in ballots?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Why do you assume mailing in a ballot is an option everywhere?
Here in Nevada we had a caucus. That's where everybody goes to the table with their precinct number and then they're told to sit in groups based on who they support and then take turns trying to convince the undecided. The number from each side is counted and people sign up to be delegates. In our case Bernie won by three votes and all of the Hillary supporters got up and stormed off in anger before any of them signed up.
The whole mess took over an hour and was presided over by people who couldn't be heard.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and it was used by so many voters that the outcome was decided before election day -- hence, the very quick calls.
We also have caucuses in WA -- for Democratic primaries only. The Rethugs were smart enough to go along with primaries when voters pushed through a referendum that funded them. But the Dem party in WA sued the state to be allowed to continue to select all its delegates the hard, exclusionary way -- in several hour caucuses.
But the rest of the voting we do by mail -- and it's great. All paper, verifiable ballots. And we can go online and make sure our votes were counted accurately.
truckin
(576 posts)So since Bernie voters did not use a special way to vote it is ok that they were disenfranchised by trying to vote the way the vast majority in AZ vote? Great logic you've got there.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and used them. That was an option equally available to Bernie people and would have avoided any concerns about long lines.
truckin
(576 posts)only to be told they were registered in the wrong party. If voters in this category voted by mail they would not have received a provisional ballot and would definitely have been disenfranchised.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)They wouldn't have needed a provisional ballot if they had a paper one. And if they had gotten the wrong party's ballot they would have known that weeks ahead of time and could have called the voting authorities and gotten a correct ballot.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)A brokered Republican convention could nominate Hillary and they would be rid of Trump and we could have a real election with Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton in the National
This would be great for the country.
yuiyoshida
(41,759 posts)is a tool of the Republicans, and they do it cause they know they can't win otherwise.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Arizona2016 is a blight on American politics.
It is no longer something we can equate to a "Weird mole" on the skin of the body politic. It is, at best, a benign melanoma. It is far more likely to be the no longer deniable proof we have something dangerously wrong with us.
Fixing the problem is first priority. Discovering the cause can wait for later. Safeguarding the remaining primaries, in whatever form they take, is the second priority.
chapdrum
(930 posts)Thank you.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I do what I can
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Can you imagine what would happen to the entrenched interests, both Republican and Democrat, if he won the election? The supposed government regulators of Wall Street and the big banks? Those in the National/Military Security State? He's running against our corrupt government and that threatens too many people to let happen.
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)one woman interviewed wasn't able to cast her vote until 12:15AM!!
Unconscionable!!!
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)where ANYONE could get a mail-in ballot for any reason. They just had to ask for it.
And it's working. They had a very high participation rate in their primary because most people asked for ballots and mailed them in.
We have NO polling places in WA and we manage fine without them.
This issue is just silly.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)There was also a huge issue with people being unable to vote because of a computer glitch that was not showing them to be registered Dems.
Those who knew their voting rights asked for, and voted via provisional ballots. However, even for those people, there would be no way of knowing whether that ballot was counted or not.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)The election was a mess and they have to fix all the problems before the General.
In AZ because there are still polling places and old-fashioned voting residents have to REQUEST a mail-in ballot and follow the procedure to do so. In Oregon its totally mail-in we have no polling places...BIG DIFF.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)to 60 polling places in 2016. (And people shouldn't have to mail in ballots to have their votes recorded.)
turbinetree
(24,632 posts)since states like Arizona, go around and say they can't operate a simple thing called voting and hand it off to "something".
My family was telling me there were problems, a state that can find ways to hunt people down, but can't figure out how to have an election
I find it remarkable that in every caucus state that my candidate has won, they had to hand count the ballots, while in most primary states a god damn machine was used.
MSNBC------(More Stupid News B***C***P) was calling an election a half hour into the contest----see a problem, it's that they have to be the first to call a race, then come up with some hypothetical answer, and then sell it for the greed and the commercials
Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)the ONES any voter was entitled to -- and used them.
The reason MSNBC and others could call it so quickly was because those mail-in ballots had been coming in for a couple weeks, and were sitting there -- already counted. Because Hillary was so far ahead, the outcome was mathematically determined BEFORE election day, when only a minority of voters voted.
That's why they thought they wouldn't need so many polling places -- they ere letting people vote by mail instead.
Which is what we have here in WA -- except EVERYONE votes by mail and we have ZERO polling places.
RBenjaminson
(2 posts)In Arizona over 35% of the voters voted early. In the Republican primary Rubio and Christie got substantial numbers of votes. The traditional Democratic vote, heavily Hillary, voted weeks ago. The pre election polls mirrored the final result.
Stop being involved in fratricidal warfare and save us from Trump and Cruz.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)She's the one taking dirty money. She's the one bought and paid for by the banks.
Why don't you stop being involved in fratricidal warfare and save us from Trump, Cruz and Her?
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)You can thank Scalia and the GOP controlled Supreme Court for gutting the Voting Rights Act last year.
That decision directly lead to AZ's reduction in the number of polling places. If that had gone the other way, AZ would have needed federal permission to change how many polling places it has.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and his campaign for not getting the word out about using mail in ballots and avoiding the crush at the polling places.
ANYONE could use one for ANY reason and most people did.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)They failed to make sure their voters knew how to vote. OOOPS.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)everyone i spoke to on GOTV went early in order to avoid any problems.
i personally had some problems as i voted out of state and couldn't get any locally specific advice.
i will agree with your assessment that sanders operatives are no good at their jobs because this has been my experience as well. the clinton group is running a much better campaign, and i agree with bravenak's assessment that they do a better job of hiring women and minorities.
jello
(33 posts)VOTING should be as SIMPLE and UNCOMPLICATED as possible. You register, you show up, your names ON THE ROLL (it better be), and you VOTE.
riversedge
(69,716 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)repeatedly and systematically targeting minority, elderly and student voters in all the states controlled by republicans to suppress voting??????? They are just now finding out how it feels? I am really sorry #notsorry. The REPUBLICANS CONTROL EVERYTHING in that state.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Um, no. And - bye!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)The Sanders campaign failed at GOTV. They should have informed their voters about the ease and practicality of mail-in ballots.
States that use mail-in ballots have high rates of participation, as did Arizona overall. If some Sanders voters didn't know about it, blame his campaign for spending too much on ads and not enough on telling people how easy it was to vote by mail.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)vote bernie
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Thanks for the voice of reason. We need as many of them as we can get!
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/
We petition the obama administration to:
INVESTIGATE THE VOTER FRAUD AND VOTER SUPPRESSION IN ARIZONA 3/22/2016 DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Petition to have the Obama Administration investigate the voter fraud and voter suppression on 3/22/2016 in ARIZONA. Numerous voters who switched from Independent to Democrat could not vote and were turned away or given provisional ballots which in turn were never counted. We the people of the United States of America find this act alarming and would like a complete investigation to uncover the violations that occurred during the Arizona voting on 3/22/2016 and prosecute those responsible to the fullest extent of the law.
Published Date: Mar 22, 2016
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties
Signatures needed by April 21, 2016 to reach goal of 100,000: 53,118
Total signatures on this petition: 46,882
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #13)
proverbialwisdom This message was self-deleted by its author.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That's all we have in WA and no one feels suppressed.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)lmbradford (221 posts)
Response to pnwmom (Reply #27)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:05 AM
Post 54.You misunderstand
The problem was registered Dems with voter ID cards and other proof of registration, not showing up that way in the computers. They were forced to vote provisionally when they, in fact, did everything right. Even lifelong Dems ertr effected.
Those "provisional ballots" were then not counted. How many? Everyone should be interested in the name of fair and transparent elections.
jello
(33 posts)In WA and OR you get your ballot mailed to you as long as you are a registered voter and you keep county informed of your current address. In AZ you have to REQUEST to be an early voter and follow the procedure required. GET IT?? Its not AUTOMATIC like it is in PNW, MOM!!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)But it's not difficult either. You can either fill out a simple online form to get permanent mail-in voting, or you can even telephone to arrange it.
However, since all this happened, I've read of many other problems besides this, and the elections people seem to have screwed up in many ways.
What I don't think people here should be doing, though, is pretending that Hillary was involved in some conspiracy with the GOP in Arizona to hurt Bernie Dems. Whatever problems there were hurt voters no matter who they were supporting.
Uncle Joe
(58,111 posts)dcbuckeye
(79 posts)Rachel Maddow had a graphic showing only 7% of early voters out of a few hundred thousand early voters were under age 30. The rest, 93% of early voters, were old people. So Hillary had a big head start, even if the exit polls on election day had Bernie at 62%. I agree there were obvious problems on election day in Arizona, particularly with the reduced number of voting stations and long lines, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the election was stolen.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)its voters about the mail-in ballots? Young people would have been fully capable of using them, ,as they are in WA state where we have no polling places at all yet we have higher voting participation rates than ever.
lmbradford
(517 posts)The problem was registered Dems with voter ID cards and other proof of registration, not showing up that way in the computers. They were forced to vote provisionally when they, in fact, did everything right. Even lifelong Dems ertr effected.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)What I read is that in re-registering online, many people didn't check a box for party. And if they didn't, the default was Independent.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)I don't trust DWS because I think she is worse than Karl Rove because she will do anything say anything,cheat,steal anything to see that Hillary wins....Look at Iowa,at Nev and Mass..DWS is a crook and add Bill Clinton to the mix and then it becomes worse than Dick Cheney,Karl Rove and Kenneth Blackwell all rolled into one conspiracy..and we thought only Republicans pulled this kind of shit.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Have a great day! I know I will!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)In order for Bernie to win, he must win states by huge numbers. Get it? He can't just get a few here and a few there. Because the Dem primaries are proportional, both Hillary and Bernie win delegates even when they lose states. Now if you don't like it, then work to change the Dem Party rules. If you aren't willing to do that, you have no reason to complain.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)I dont trust Debbie Wassermann Rove...
Would she commit fraud or steal votes or disenfranchise voters for Hillary/ Hell yes she would.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)to make sure voters are not deprived of their vote.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)DWS is a Dem
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:00 PM - Edit history (1)
No actually Bernie Sanders is the Democrat that most Democrats in Congress would like to be.
But the Republican Lites have sold their soul to the Corporate Mafia and now find it pretty difficult for them to row against the current of the Corporate owned establishment
DWS is a Republican lite..List any legislation that she has voted for or introduced that proves she is anything other than a Republican?
How about the bill she recently supported that allows Payday Lenders to continue to charge 300% interest? That sure as hell shows she is a Republican.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)in any leadership position: Senate Dem's have rejected Sanders!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)of a campaign failing in GOTV.
Bernie's campaign should have made sure its voters knew about how easy it was to use mail-in ballots -- and used them.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)"Yes we did commit election fraud in Arizona" Would it still be OK for Hillary to declare victory and say "so what get over it"
as Kenneth Blackwell did in the 2004 Ohio election heist?
Paper Roses
(7,468 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)educating our voters about the ease and practicality of using mail-in ballots, would his supporters stop blaming everyone else?
All we have in WA and OR is mail-in ballots, and we have higher rates of voter participation than ever.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)There needs to be and investigation into the AZ fiasco, and Sanders should cooperate, but the investigation shouldn't be done by the Sanders campaign. They are time and resource limited.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The Sanders Campaign have NO TIME if they are trying to win an election to get laser focus on "Election Fraud" claims. Let others on the ground handle that -- and they need to focus on a EARLY VOTING strategy in EACH UPCOMING state to counteract what is happening at the polls. Period.
If the campaign does not take this course of action and now, Bernie will lose the nomination.
But Bernie knows he'll be accused of being a "sore loser". Getting accountability will be almost impossible. They (DNC types) have set it up for him to cornered, either way.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)she parrots a dead political paradigm and can't give into the fact that american dems, and the youth especially, don't want her.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Sexism noted.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.especially apt to me, given that she's a female who is where she is because of marriage to a powerful man.
Not like an Elizabeth Warren, for example, who really is on the national stage through her own talent and who is a role model I point my daughters to proudly as having gotten the door open all on her own.
Speaking as a woman myself, I always noted how the Clintons touted that we'd "get two for one" and how the "Clinton Machine" always, always, means the two of them. But perhaps you don't hear the "illary" part directed at Bill? Or does your radar go off only when the underscore of her marriage is directed at poor Hillary?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)one of the top 7 schools in the country for women in an era when the doors to the Ivy League remained firmly shut.
And she was one of the first group of women ever accepted into Yale Law school.
She had a world of possibilities out there with those credentials. For all we know, she slowed herself down by hooking up with Bill Clinton. And she clearly helped him as much as he helped her.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.met him, she was just working as a corporate lawyer. On a path to riches, but nothing special really. Doubt she'd have run for President twice based on her own record. She got the visibility and the WH cache and the contacts and the funding ties as his wife.
The 7 Sisters of the Ivies often attended classes at the men's schools. Cliffies went to Harvard etc. The shut door worked both ways BTW. Men weren't allowed to attend the sisters. By the sixties, a female at Yale wasn't all that remarkable. No one is saying she wasn't smart. But stay with the hagiography of her doing this all on her own if you must.
Besides, your own wordshow she may have helped him as much as he helped herunderscore why there is nothing foul is calling them Billary. Can't play it both ways.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)She met Bill when they were peers at Yale law school, and her first legal job was working with Marian Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund. She took the job at Rose Hill law firm when she decided to marry Bill and move to Arkansas.
There was no female contingent at Yale at all till the school went co-ed in 1969 -- the same year Hillary graduated from Wellesley. Yale had no sister school like Harvard and Radcliffe. So being one of the first class of women at Yale Law school was an extremely big deal.
Your prejudice against Hillary is showing.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)
..the problem began by you saying using the term "Billary" was sexist, when it's easily apparent that she's where she is because of getting her start via a marriage to Bill Clinton, the sine qua non of what "powerful man" means. Both of them, in fact, embrace the term. Or did, until this recent run for the WH ---where she now both wants to use him and to hide him all at once. And as someone from a long line of feminists, I resent "sexism" being shouted when in fact, it's nothing of the sort. Ill-deserved outrage hurts feminism.
By her own admission, she's an inept politician. In fact, it's well known that the health care effort that was "her baby" in the 90's failed because she alienated so many people in formulating it. And instead of having an ACA in the 90's we had to wait at least 16 more years. Certainly doesn't look like she'd have the trajectory she's on, purely through her own talents.
And it stands that her choice of job, after all that great ground breaking education, was in corporate law. Not environmental law. Not labor law. In fact, she soon became a board member at WalMart, where she voted for management over the workers.
Prejudice implies unconscious bias. I'm not prejudiced against her. I see her all too painfully clearly. I would no more point to her as a role model for my daughters than I would Margaret Thatcher. Because of her policies, which I'm not going to iterate here.
Have a nice day.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)except in the rare case that are RACIST WHITESPLAINERS
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)It's not just the young. It's every progressive of every age and gender that I know. Including my elderly mother.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Creating Votes.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)what happened. He didn't encourage his voters to mail in ballots, which the whole state had moved to.
That's all we use in WA and OR, and it doesn't stop people from voting. It makes it much easier.
http://www.azsos.gov/elections
How do I request an early ballot or vote by mail?
An early ballot may be requested from your County Recorders office. To have your name placed on the Permanent Early Voter List (PEVL), complete a new voter registration form and check the box marked YES, I want to automatically receive an early ballot for each election for which I am eligible. Or you can log in to Service Arizona and complete this request online.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Not just for voting either.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)our votes were counted.
And we don't have to stand in line at any polling places.
Hell yes, it's easier. And safer, too.
truckin
(576 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)jello
(33 posts)PNWMOM keeps repeating how its done in PNW and doesn't get that its DIFFERENT in AZ!!
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)in my state getting your vote in is apparently a hit or miss prospect because labyrinthine rules re: the mailin ballot.
we have no PEVL, that would make it too easy for disabled persons especially those with mental illness and early-onset dementia.
i'm trying to get in touch with sanders campaign because i'm pissed that didn't get to vote for him as intructions were not explicit.
if you have contact #s pls provide via PM thanks.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)but i agree with the premise
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)The campaign can stop dead in its tracks and try to overcome the screwups (mostly caused by the GOPukes) or continue continuing on. As adequately financed as Sanders' campaign is we will be better off concentrating on what lies ahead than straightening out what has happened.
As far as I know, after innumerable Presidential races starting with JFK, no election has ever been overturned by proofs of election fraud (and JFK's win in Chicago made anything happening in this campaign look like fuzzy bunnies and Disney Bluebirds.)
A challenge at the convention might do more for advancing the cause than fighting on two fronts. The Germans learned that in the 1940's. Gather evidence and so forth in case it can be important in Philadelphia but do not take the eye off the prize. If a few delegates from Idaho mean the train gets stuck in a sidetrack winning that fight will mean nothing.
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)you Bernie supporter are really good at that....you don't hear Hillary supporters whine about Bernie winning Idaho and Utah...
morningglory
(2,336 posts)I live in Florida in an area that used to be full of old dems who had lived through the depression and Roosevelt. They always voted dem reliably. Now they have died off. During that election, there was suddenly not enough voting machines in our precinct. After a long day at work, stinking with dried sweat, miserable and starved, I waited hours to vote. People in the line started sending out for pizza. Before that election and after, there have always been plenty of machines. We just walk in, vote, and walk out. Now the precinct is full of republics, of course, and the supervisor of elections lost her cushy job, so all is different now. We have become a red state. Hoping things will change.
chapdrum
(930 posts)more the fact that voter suppression takes place, and that should be anathema to anyone who believes in democracy.
LuvLoogie
(6,854 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It's about what will be brought to the table. And Democrats overwhelmingly prefer Bernies Democratic Socialism to Hilly's push for a TPP-instigated unfettered capitalism.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/02/22/new-poll-democrats-overwhelmingly-prefer-bernies-democratic-socialism-to-unfettered-capitalism/
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)In which case he will remain silent.