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Bernie Sanders Must Contest Arizona & Stop Allowing the Theft Of Democratic Primary (Original Post) Bubzer Mar 2016 OP
Since Replublican Michele Reagan is Secretary of State in Arizona, he should have words with her. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #1
I would say that it should not be Bernie alone who stops jwirr Mar 2016 #2
you said it all and said it well jello Mar 2016 #3
The only question that should be asked is why Bernie's campaign failed pnwmom Mar 2016 #45
With many thousands of people standing for hours waiting to vote, Bernie is to blame Stevepol Mar 2016 #68
Yes. Part of getting out the vote is informing voters about HOW to vote, pnwmom Mar 2016 #70
But we don't have to make a request for our ballots jello Mar 2016 #96
What gets me is when Hillary supporters come off like they're looking forward to purging liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #4
Dem's are liberals: and Dem's really are the big tent: No one wants purg anyone lewebley3 Mar 2016 #19
It'll be the rise of the DLC all over again. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #23
NO, its not: Obama has pulled the country out of the Crash: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #33
Obama has only delayed the upcoming BIG crash. yourout Mar 2016 #43
Wrong: Obama has lead the country well: Its only Hartman that is spreading lewebley3 Mar 2016 #56
It wasn't fixed becasue of the GOP: Obama and the Dem's have been lewebley3 Mar 2016 #107
Uh huh,...you don't think the message will be, "voters rejected Bernie's liberal ideas"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #67
NO: liberal ideas are not rejected: but is Sanders not a leader lewebley3 Mar 2016 #108
Unlike Republicans, Democrats don't vote for a leader they can follow.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #109
Wrong: Democrats do vote for the leaders that Dem's can follow lewebley3 Mar 2016 #115
You define a "Dem" as "Hillary"..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #116
Hillary is one of the leaders of Dem party: Its not confusing to a Dem: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #118
Obviously you believe it only goes back as far as the glorious 90s.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #124
No it goes back further than FDR: Hillary is the heir to FDR: She doesn't lewebley3 Mar 2016 #130
LOL!!! Can't wait for her fireside chats to Goldman Sachs. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #134
Hillary's fireside chat was peace and prosperity in 8 years she help govern lewebley3 Mar 2016 #138
Why don't you bring up his disloyalty for voting against NAFTA? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #140
Ha! jello Mar 2016 #97
You are confused with what Bush did: Bush bailled out the Banks:Not Obama lewebley3 Mar 2016 #106
DLC is left wing crazy ideologue stuff: The DLC was over 20years ago lewebley3 Mar 2016 #117
I must have missed the replacing of the _Leader_ part of the DLC. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #125
Bitter party of one Spitfire: Go Hillary and Dem: Say no to socialism lewebley3 Mar 2016 #127
People who are against socialism are anti-social.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #135
The first part of your reply is in error. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #112
No error: Dem are liberals: they are not socialist lewebley3 Mar 2016 #113
Actually the error is in assuming Dems are liberals.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #121
No: Dem are not socialist: they are Dem's: they believe in working and paying lewebley3 Mar 2016 #122
LOL!!! You believe "socialism" means "not working"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #123
Sander socialism means free college: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #128
... and free college....is bad? Bubzer Mar 2016 #132
So? Reagan is the one that ended free college. Do you want to embrace his legacy? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #136
There was never free college: the tax payers paid: and Teachers didn't work lewebley3 Mar 2016 #137
Do you have any clue how weird that reply of yours was? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #139
Get Real DownriverDem Mar 2016 #55
.....self destructs again? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #69
It's still a race... Bucko... and it will continue, with or without your approval. Bubzer Mar 2016 #133
How does mail-in balloting purge liberals? It's all we use in WA and OR pnwmom Mar 2016 #61
Each state does things differently.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #72
I don't assume it's an option everywhere. I KNOW it's an option in Arizona pnwmom Mar 2016 #73
That is not the way most people vote in AZ. truckin Mar 2016 #74
They were not disenfranchised. The majority of voters requested mail-in ballots pnwmom Mar 2016 #78
Strongly disagree. If voting in a precinct is an option, voters don't expect to wait for 5 hours truckin Mar 2016 #83
Why would voters who voted by mail have been disenfranchised? pnwmom Mar 2016 #85
Would Republicans support Hillary if she would run on the Reoublican ticket? INdemo Mar 2016 #111
voter Supression yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #5
Mail-in ballots increase participation. They don't suppress it. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #62
No matter who, republican, Democrat of whatever strange hybrid of the two rigged the vote. Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #6
Very well-said, HCM. chapdrum Mar 2016 #87
YVW Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #89
Sanders is the ultimate whistle blower. jalan48 Mar 2016 #7
Go, Debbie, speak the truth to power...agreed 100% downeastdaniel Mar 2016 #8
Heard on public radio that AZ cut WAY back on the number of polling places.... Roland99 Mar 2016 #9
You can thank Scalia for that... tinrobot Mar 2016 #15
They didn't think they'd need them because they'd gone to a mail-in ballot pnwmom Mar 2016 #21
The lines, while awful, were not the only problem. PotatoChip Mar 2016 #71
Yes, after I wrote this I read about the other problems. pnwmom Mar 2016 #99
BUT jello Mar 2016 #98
Apparently Maricopa County went from 200 polling places in 2012 bjo59 Mar 2016 #64
It's time to put some money into and ask for some answers........................ turbinetree Mar 2016 #10
Here's the answer. The large majority of registered voters asked for mail in ballots -- pnwmom Mar 2016 #24
Exit polls do not count early voting RBenjaminson Mar 2016 #11
"fratricidal warfare"? You better redirect that statement to Her. She's the one playing dirty pool. Bubzer Mar 2016 #12
She's not the one who allowed AZ to reduce the number of polling places tinrobot Mar 2016 #14
She had nothing to do with this. if you want to blame a Democrat, blame Bernie pnwmom Mar 2016 #25
Ignore the woman behind the curtain! Got it. BYE! Bubzer Mar 2016 #30
Your conspiracy theory is just a cover for the campaign's major flub in GOTV. pnwmom Mar 2016 #34
nh had their shit together for this one redruddyred Mar 2016 #53
In a democracy jello Mar 2016 #100
Seems many folks who wanted to vote for Sanders did not know the rules. shucky darns. riversedge Mar 2016 #48
And where have all these voices been while Repukes have been Loki Mar 2016 #84
You just joined so you can tell us what to do? djean111 Mar 2016 #47
You think it's fine to insult new people for the crime of giving you correct information? pnwmom Mar 2016 #57
"save us from Trump and Cruz" redruddyred Mar 2016 #49
Welcome to DU, RBenjaminson. pnwmom Mar 2016 #58
Remarks by local reporters aggregated here; also, related wh.gov petition. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #13
Also, more information at this link: Bubzer Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #17
Why is it voter suppression to make voting the easiest with mail in ballots? pnwmom Mar 2016 #26
That's not the issue, see post #54. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #81
YOU DON'T GET IT jello Mar 2016 #101
You're right, it's not exactly the same. pnwmom Mar 2016 #103
Thanks for the links, proverbialwisdom. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #29
young voters didn't vote early dcbuckeye Mar 2016 #18
So they question is why didn't Bernie's campaign do a better job of educating pnwmom Mar 2016 #27
You misunderstand lmbradford Mar 2016 #54
Then why are people blaming Hillary or even Debbie for that? pnwmom Mar 2016 #60
Hillary one fair and square; as the poll showed she would lewebley3 Mar 2016 #20
If there was evidence of one vote stolen its still elettion theft. INdemo Mar 2016 #31
Hillary won by almost 18 points: Sanders didn't have a chance lewebley3 Mar 2016 #35
That's okay... hilly got STOMPED in Utah and Idaho!!! Bernie is gaining ground! Bubzer Mar 2016 #39
Hillary didn't campagin in Utah or Idaho; She need save her money for the general lewebley3 Mar 2016 #41
Hello? DownriverDem Mar 2016 #59
STOMPED! Ground into the dirt! Defeated! And it's only half time...hold onto your hat! Bubzer Mar 2016 #66
18 points? but how many votes were conviently lost that belonged to Bernie? INdemo Mar 2016 #110
I do Trust Debbie Wasserman: You are just not winning lewebley3 Mar 2016 #114
If you trust Debbie than you trust Karl Rove INdemo Mar 2016 #119
Sorry: but I don't trust Sander supporters: they are not Dems lewebley3 Mar 2016 #120
Just WTF are you talking about? INdemo Mar 2016 #126
No Bernie is a socialist: he is not a Dem: No Dem's have vote for him to be lewebley3 Mar 2016 #129
There isn't. There is much evidence however pnwmom Mar 2016 #37
If Debbie Wasserman Schultz would come forward and say INdemo Mar 2016 #22
Nah, she'll look into it! Phooey! Heard that tune before. n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #28
If Bernie's campaign came forward and said we should have done a better job pnwmom Mar 2016 #32
Disagree. Sanders needs to stay focused on upcoming states. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #36
Thank you for this SANITY.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #42
K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #38
Billary the real sore loser redruddyred Mar 2016 #46
"Billary." pnwmom Mar 2016 #65
Funny, it seems zentrum Mar 2016 #80
She was a top graduate, the valedictorian, of Wellesley College, pnwmom Mar 2016 #91
Yeah, and when she zentrum Mar 2016 #93
Are you just making this all up, or what? Because you've got the facts all wrong. pnwmom Mar 2016 #94
Well, see... zentrum Mar 2016 #95
all critics of Her are fersher SEXIST PIGS redruddyred Mar 2016 #90
wow obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #77
See my note down thread. zentrum Mar 2016 #82
Our "representative" Democracy has shifted from Counting Votes to NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #40
Bernie's campaign failed on GOTV. No conspiracy theory is necessary to explain pnwmom Mar 2016 #50
"It makes it much easier" alright. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #52
We have fully verifiable paper ballots. We can go online and make sure pnwmom Mar 2016 #63
BTW. we got your point. You don't have to repeat it over and over. truckin Mar 2016 #75
I am replying to specific people. But your concern is noted. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #76
So glad you said that jello Mar 2016 #102
there are issues with mailin ballots as well redruddyred Mar 2016 #92
i'd love a transcript if you can manage it redruddyred Mar 2016 #44
There is not enough time left before the convention. mikehiggins Mar 2016 #51
whine, whine, whine... chillfactor Mar 2016 #79
When Bush was trying the steal the election from Bill Clinton... morningglory Mar 2016 #86
It's not about politesse; chapdrum Mar 2016 #88
Democrats prefer Hillary. There's plenty of evidence. Investigate that. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #104
I disagree. This election isn't about a person... as numerous hilly supporters have said. Bubzer Mar 2016 #105
Unless he is in on it himself Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #131

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. Since Replublican Michele Reagan is Secretary of State in Arizona, he should have words with her.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

She is the person responsible for running elections in Arizona.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. I would say that it should not be Bernie alone who stops
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

allowing the voting chaos. DNC, DWS, Hillary and her campaign, we the people.

This is not democracy.

jello

(33 posts)
3. you said it all and said it well
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

Thank you for that and someone needs to make sure the powers that be in Sanders campaign see this youtube and act!!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
45. The only question that should be asked is why Bernie's campaign failed
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:58 PM
Mar 2016

to GOTV.

They knew that mail in ballots were the reality and that they were available to anyone who asked for them. So why didn't they encourage their voters to use them?

http://www.azsos.gov/elections

How do I request an early ballot or vote by mail?
An early ballot may be requested from your County Recorder’s office. To have your name placed on the Permanent Early Voter List (PEVL), complete a new voter registration form and check the box marked “YES, I want to automatically receive an early ballot for each election for which I am eligible.” Or you can log in to Service Arizona and complete this request online.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
68. With many thousands of people standing for hours waiting to vote, Bernie is to blame
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

for NOT GETTING OUT THE VOTE????????

What kind of reasoning is that?

Maybe he should have counseled everybody voting Bernie to use the "mail in" option?

Maybe that would have helped, but the many thousands of supporters standing in line can at least be excused for imagining that they would be taking part in a reasonably democratic procedure where legal voters would be allowed to vote.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
70. Yes. Part of getting out the vote is informing voters about HOW to vote,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

and following up to make sure they did.

And in Arizona, or anywhere else where mail-in ballots are used, a responsible and effective campaign informs its voters to use them.

That's all we have in WA and OR and all the campaigns here call and make sure we're voting. That's a more effective use of campaign funds than tons of media ads.

jello

(33 posts)
96. But we don't have to make a request for our ballots
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:07 AM
Mar 2016

In OR our ballot shows up in our mailbox with ample time to fill it out and mail it back. In states that don't exclusively do mail-in the process is a little more complex. And, what's wrong with people wanting to go the polls to vote?...its their right to do so, and those in charge have the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that there are sufficient ballots for however many show up as well as enough polling places, and that the polls STAY OPEN UNTIL EVERYONE IN LINE VOTES!! NO ONE IN LINE SHOULD EVER BE TURNED AWAY on an election day in the United States of America.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
33. NO, its not: Obama has pulled the country out of the Crash:
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary will sign anything the Dem's have the vote for:
Finegold will be a Senator again, he will offer great liberal
Bill's for the Dems.

Hillary is crafty enough to trick the GOP in signing deals
the Dem's want.

The GOP are not smart: but they are mean and rich: Look how long
it took them to take on Trump: they failed and now their
party is a mess.

Hillary will start her term with almost full employment: and
and putting a judge on the court that will get rid of the money
in politics that the GOP put in.

yourout

(7,520 posts)
43. Obama has only delayed the upcoming BIG crash.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

The underlying problems were never fixed. All they did was print money.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
56. Wrong: Obama has lead the country well: Its only Hartman that is spreading
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

gloom and doom nonsense to sell a book; the only way we
will have another crash is if the GOP take the White House:

The GOP want to go to war with Iran and the wanted cut taxes:
the will crash the American economy as they always do:

Hillary need to pass Obama infrastructure bill: that will help
to rebuild the middle class:

The project need 3 trillion dollars: a lot of money; but nothing
like the money America spent on war and taxes.

Also don't forget the people will be paying back the treasury
with high taxes from higher wage jobs. r
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
107. It wasn't fixed becasue of the GOP: Obama and the Dem's have been
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
Mar 2016


working hard against the banks: with the votes they have:
and they have accomplished what they can.

Sanders never accomplished anything but talk!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
109. Unlike Republicans, Democrats don't vote for a leader they can follow....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

They vote for a Union Steward and watch them like a hawk.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
115. Wrong: Democrats do vote for the leaders that Dem's can follow
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:39 PM
Mar 2016

Dem's cannot vote for a non Dem or a socialist
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
116. You define a "Dem" as "Hillary".....
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

So whatever she's for, you're for.

That must be very confusing for you.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
118. Hillary is one of the leaders of Dem party: Its not confusing to a Dem:
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016


You need to read a little about the Dem party: you seem
confused about what the Dem party History.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
124. Obviously you believe it only goes back as far as the glorious 90s....
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

Prior to that it was a failure under McGovern.

Right?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
130. No it goes back further than FDR: Hillary is the heir to FDR: She doesn't
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016


have an ideology she: is a Dem and a Christian, that
is what FDR called himself

Sanders has an ideology socialism: he is not a Dem
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
138. Hillary's fireside chat was peace and prosperity in 8 years she help govern
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders same 8 years was sitting on his behind doing nothing:
and letting the Dem's deal with the GOP.

jello

(33 posts)
97. Ha!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:10 AM
Mar 2016

Obama pulled THE BANKS out of the crash and did NOTHING for the rest of us who lost homes, equity, life savings, jobs...nothing!!

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
117. DLC is left wing crazy ideologue stuff: The DLC was over 20years ago
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016


The Democratic party is not an ideological party,
nor is Hillary.

Dem's are "the caring and sharing party" if you will:


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
121. Actually the error is in assuming Dems are liberals....
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

BTW: Dems are traditionally very socialist.

Back when they were more interested in people than profit.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
122. No: Dem are not socialist: they are Dem's: they believe in working and paying
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016


We live in a mix economy: but Dem's believe working: and
a safety net to help people back on to their feet.


DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
55. Get Real
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary supporters had nothing to do with it Bucko. I'm tired of Bernie supporters thinking they could win if only Hillary .....

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
133. It's still a race... Bucko... and it will continue, with or without your approval.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

For being so tired of those pesky Bernie supporter thoughts, you certainly felt inclined to come here, read them, and express your own... it's almost like you've inadvertently acknowledged it's a political board, with differing opinions... crazy, I know!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
61. How does mail-in balloting purge liberals? It's all we use in WA and OR
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

and plenty of liberals vote. Is there something unique about Arizona liberals that keeps them from being able to fill out and return mail-in ballots?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
72. Each state does things differently....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

Why do you assume mailing in a ballot is an option everywhere?

Here in Nevada we had a caucus. That's where everybody goes to the table with their precinct number and then they're told to sit in groups based on who they support and then take turns trying to convince the undecided. The number from each side is counted and people sign up to be delegates. In our case Bernie won by three votes and all of the Hillary supporters got up and stormed off in anger before any of them signed up.

The whole mess took over an hour and was presided over by people who couldn't be heard.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
73. I don't assume it's an option everywhere. I KNOW it's an option in Arizona
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

and it was used by so many voters that the outcome was decided before election day -- hence, the very quick calls.

We also have caucuses in WA -- for Democratic primaries only. The Rethugs were smart enough to go along with primaries when voters pushed through a referendum that funded them. But the Dem party in WA sued the state to be allowed to continue to select all its delegates the hard, exclusionary way -- in several hour caucuses.

But the rest of the voting we do by mail -- and it's great. All paper, verifiable ballots. And we can go online and make sure our votes were counted accurately.

truckin

(576 posts)
74. That is not the way most people vote in AZ.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

So since Bernie voters did not use a special way to vote it is ok that they were disenfranchised by trying to vote the way the vast majority in AZ vote? Great logic you've got there.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
78. They were not disenfranchised. The majority of voters requested mail-in ballots
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

and used them. That was an option equally available to Bernie people and would have avoided any concerns about long lines.

truckin

(576 posts)
83. Strongly disagree. If voting in a precinct is an option, voters don't expect to wait for 5 hours
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

only to be told they were registered in the wrong party. If voters in this category voted by mail they would not have received a provisional ballot and would definitely have been disenfranchised.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
85. Why would voters who voted by mail have been disenfranchised?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

They wouldn't have needed a provisional ballot if they had a paper one. And if they had gotten the wrong party's ballot they would have known that weeks ahead of time and could have called the voting authorities and gotten a correct ballot.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
111. Would Republicans support Hillary if she would run on the Reoublican ticket?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:35 AM
Mar 2016

A brokered Republican convention could nominate Hillary and they would be rid of Trump and we could have a real election with Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton in the National

This would be great for the country.

yuiyoshida

(41,759 posts)
5. voter Supression
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

is a tool of the Republicans, and they do it cause they know they can't win otherwise.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
6. No matter who, republican, Democrat of whatever strange hybrid of the two rigged the vote.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

Arizona2016 is a blight on American politics.
It is no longer something we can equate to a "Weird mole" on the skin of the body politic. It is, at best, a benign melanoma. It is far more likely to be the no longer deniable proof we have something dangerously wrong with us.

Fixing the problem is first priority. Discovering the cause can wait for later. Safeguarding the remaining primaries, in whatever form they take, is the second priority.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
7. Sanders is the ultimate whistle blower.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:46 PM
Mar 2016

Can you imagine what would happen to the entrenched interests, both Republican and Democrat, if he won the election? The supposed government regulators of Wall Street and the big banks? Those in the National/Military Security State? He's running against our corrupt government and that threatens too many people to let happen.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
9. Heard on public radio that AZ cut WAY back on the number of polling places....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

one woman interviewed wasn't able to cast her vote until 12:15AM!!


Unconscionable!!!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
21. They didn't think they'd need them because they'd gone to a mail-in ballot
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

where ANYONE could get a mail-in ballot for any reason. They just had to ask for it.

And it's working. They had a very high participation rate in their primary because most people asked for ballots and mailed them in.

We have NO polling places in WA and we manage fine without them.

This issue is just silly.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
71. The lines, while awful, were not the only problem.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

There was also a huge issue with people being unable to vote because of a computer glitch that was not showing them to be registered Dems.

Those who knew their voting rights asked for, and voted via provisional ballots. However, even for those people, there would be no way of knowing whether that ballot was counted or not.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
99. Yes, after I wrote this I read about the other problems.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:15 AM
Mar 2016

The election was a mess and they have to fix all the problems before the General.

jello

(33 posts)
98. BUT
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:13 AM
Mar 2016

In AZ because there are still polling places and old-fashioned voting residents have to REQUEST a mail-in ballot and follow the procedure to do so. In Oregon its totally mail-in we have no polling places...BIG DIFF.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
64. Apparently Maricopa County went from 200 polling places in 2012
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:15 PM
Mar 2016

to 60 polling places in 2016. (And people shouldn't have to mail in ballots to have their votes recorded.)

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
10. It's time to put some money into and ask for some answers........................
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:52 PM
Mar 2016

since states like Arizona, go around and say they can't operate a simple thing called voting and hand it off to "something".

My family was telling me there were problems, a state that can find ways to hunt people down, but can't figure out how to have an election

I find it remarkable that in every caucus state that my candidate has won, they had to hand count the ballots, while in most primary states a god damn machine was used.

MSNBC------(More Stupid News B***C***P) was calling an election a half hour into the contest----see a problem, it's that they have to be the first to call a race, then come up with some hypothetical answer, and then sell it for the greed and the commercials


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
24. Here's the answer. The large majority of registered voters asked for mail in ballots --
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

the ONES any voter was entitled to -- and used them.

The reason MSNBC and others could call it so quickly was because those mail-in ballots had been coming in for a couple weeks, and were sitting there -- already counted. Because Hillary was so far ahead, the outcome was mathematically determined BEFORE election day, when only a minority of voters voted.

That's why they thought they wouldn't need so many polling places -- they ere letting people vote by mail instead.

Which is what we have here in WA -- except EVERYONE votes by mail and we have ZERO polling places.

RBenjaminson

(2 posts)
11. Exit polls do not count early voting
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:53 PM
Mar 2016

In Arizona over 35% of the voters voted early. In the Republican primary Rubio and Christie got substantial numbers of votes. The traditional Democratic vote, heavily Hillary, voted weeks ago. The pre election polls mirrored the final result.
Stop being involved in fratricidal warfare and save us from Trump and Cruz.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
12. "fratricidal warfare"? You better redirect that statement to Her. She's the one playing dirty pool.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016

She's the one taking dirty money. She's the one bought and paid for by the banks.

Why don't you stop being involved in fratricidal warfare and save us from Trump, Cruz and Her?

tinrobot

(10,848 posts)
14. She's not the one who allowed AZ to reduce the number of polling places
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

You can thank Scalia and the GOP controlled Supreme Court for gutting the Voting Rights Act last year.

That decision directly lead to AZ's reduction in the number of polling places. If that had gone the other way, AZ would have needed federal permission to change how many polling places it has.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
25. She had nothing to do with this. if you want to blame a Democrat, blame Bernie
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

and his campaign for not getting the word out about using mail in ballots and avoiding the crush at the polling places.

ANYONE could use one for ANY reason and most people did.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
34. Your conspiracy theory is just a cover for the campaign's major flub in GOTV.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016

They failed to make sure their voters knew how to vote. OOOPS.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
53. nh had their shit together for this one
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

everyone i spoke to on GOTV went early in order to avoid any problems.
i personally had some problems as i voted out of state and couldn't get any locally specific advice.
i will agree with your assessment that sanders operatives are no good at their jobs because this has been my experience as well. the clinton group is running a much better campaign, and i agree with bravenak's assessment that they do a better job of hiring women and minorities.

jello

(33 posts)
100. In a democracy
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:15 AM
Mar 2016

VOTING should be as SIMPLE and UNCOMPLICATED as possible. You register, you show up, your names ON THE ROLL (it better be), and you VOTE.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
84. And where have all these voices been while Repukes have been
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

repeatedly and systematically targeting minority, elderly and student voters in all the states controlled by republicans to suppress voting??????? They are just now finding out how it feels? I am really sorry #notsorry. The REPUBLICANS CONTROL EVERYTHING in that state.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
57. You think it's fine to insult new people for the crime of giving you correct information?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

The Sanders campaign failed at GOTV. They should have informed their voters about the ease and practicality of mail-in ballots.

States that use mail-in ballots have high rates of participation, as did Arizona overall. If some Sanders voters didn't know about it, blame his campaign for spending too much on ads and not enough on telling people how easy it was to vote by mail.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
58. Welcome to DU, RBenjaminson.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the voice of reason. We need as many of them as we can get!

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
13. Remarks by local reporters aggregated here; also, related wh.gov petition.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016
http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-polling-disaster/
http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-voter-fraud-and-voter-suppression-arizona-3222016-democratic-party

We petition the obama administration to:

INVESTIGATE THE VOTER FRAUD AND VOTER SUPPRESSION IN ARIZONA 3/22/2016 DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Petition to have the Obama Administration investigate the voter fraud and voter suppression on 3/22/2016 in ARIZONA. Numerous voters who switched from Independent to Democrat could not vote and were turned away or given provisional ballots which in turn were never counted. We the people of the United States of America find this act alarming and would like a complete investigation to uncover the violations that occurred during the Arizona voting on 3/22/2016 and prosecute those responsible to the fullest extent of the law.

Published Date: Mar 22, 2016
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties

Signatures needed by April 21, 2016 to reach goal of 100,000: 53,118
Total signatures on this petition: 46,882

Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #13)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
26. Why is it voter suppression to make voting the easiest with mail in ballots?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

That's all we have in WA and no one feels suppressed.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
81. That's not the issue, see post #54.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=343174

lmbradford (221 posts)
Response to pnwmom (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:05 AM

Post 54.
You misunderstand

The problem was registered Dems with voter ID cards and other proof of registration, not showing up that way in the computers. They were forced to vote provisionally when they, in fact, did everything right. Even lifelong Dems ertr effected.

Those "provisional ballots" were then not counted. How many? Everyone should be interested in the name of fair and transparent elections.

jello

(33 posts)
101. YOU DON'T GET IT
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:19 AM
Mar 2016

In WA and OR you get your ballot mailed to you as long as you are a registered voter and you keep county informed of your current address. In AZ you have to REQUEST to be an early voter and follow the procedure required. GET IT?? Its not AUTOMATIC like it is in PNW, MOM!!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
103. You're right, it's not exactly the same.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:48 AM
Mar 2016

But it's not difficult either. You can either fill out a simple online form to get permanent mail-in voting, or you can even telephone to arrange it.

However, since all this happened, I've read of many other problems besides this, and the elections people seem to have screwed up in many ways.

What I don't think people here should be doing, though, is pretending that Hillary was involved in some conspiracy with the GOP in Arizona to hurt Bernie Dems. Whatever problems there were hurt voters no matter who they were supporting.

dcbuckeye

(79 posts)
18. young voters didn't vote early
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

Rachel Maddow had a graphic showing only 7% of early voters out of a few hundred thousand early voters were under age 30. The rest, 93% of early voters, were old people. So Hillary had a big head start, even if the exit polls on election day had Bernie at 62%. I agree there were obvious problems on election day in Arizona, particularly with the reduced number of voting stations and long lines, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the election was stolen.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
27. So they question is why didn't Bernie's campaign do a better job of educating
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:45 PM
Mar 2016

its voters about the mail-in ballots? Young people would have been fully capable of using them, ,as they are in WA state where we have no polling places at all yet we have higher voting participation rates than ever.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
54. You misunderstand
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

The problem was registered Dems with voter ID cards and other proof of registration, not showing up that way in the computers. They were forced to vote provisionally when they, in fact, did everything right. Even lifelong Dems ertr effected.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
60. Then why are people blaming Hillary or even Debbie for that?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

What I read is that in re-registering online, many people didn't check a box for party. And if they didn't, the default was Independent.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
31. If there was evidence of one vote stolen its still elettion theft.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

I don't trust DWS because I think she is worse than Karl Rove because she will do anything say anything,cheat,steal anything to see that Hillary wins....Look at Iowa,at Nev and Mass..DWS is a crook and add Bill Clinton to the mix and then it becomes worse than Dick Cheney,Karl Rove and Kenneth Blackwell all rolled into one conspiracy..and we thought only Republicans pulled this kind of shit.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
39. That's okay... hilly got STOMPED in Utah and Idaho!!! Bernie is gaining ground!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

Have a great day! I know I will!

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
59. Hello?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

In order for Bernie to win, he must win states by huge numbers. Get it? He can't just get a few here and a few there. Because the Dem primaries are proportional, both Hillary and Bernie win delegates even when they lose states. Now if you don't like it, then work to change the Dem Party rules. If you aren't willing to do that, you have no reason to complain.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
110. 18 points? but how many votes were conviently lost that belonged to Bernie?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

I dont trust Debbie Wassermann Rove...
Would she commit fraud or steal votes or disenfranchise voters for Hillary/ Hell yes she would.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
126. Just WTF are you talking about?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:00 PM - Edit history (1)

No actually Bernie Sanders is the Democrat that most Democrats in Congress would like to be.
But the Republican Lites have sold their soul to the Corporate Mafia and now find it pretty difficult for them to row against the current of the Corporate owned establishment

DWS is a Republican lite..List any legislation that she has voted for or introduced that proves she is anything other than a Republican?
How about the bill she recently supported that allows Payday Lenders to continue to charge 300% interest? That sure as hell shows she is a Republican.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
129. No Bernie is a socialist: he is not a Dem: No Dem's have vote for him to be
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016


in any leadership position: Senate Dem's have rejected Sanders!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
37. There isn't. There is much evidence however
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

of a campaign failing in GOTV.

Bernie's campaign should have made sure its voters knew about how easy it was to use mail-in ballots -- and used them.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
22. If Debbie Wasserman Schultz would come forward and say
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

"Yes we did commit election fraud in Arizona" Would it still be OK for Hillary to declare victory and say "so what get over it"
as Kenneth Blackwell did in the 2004 Ohio election heist?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
32. If Bernie's campaign came forward and said we should have done a better job
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

educating our voters about the ease and practicality of using mail-in ballots, would his supporters stop blaming everyone else?

All we have in WA and OR is mail-in ballots, and we have higher rates of voter participation than ever.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
36. Disagree. Sanders needs to stay focused on upcoming states.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

There needs to be and investigation into the AZ fiasco, and Sanders should cooperate, but the investigation shouldn't be done by the Sanders campaign. They are time and resource limited.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
42. Thank you for this SANITY....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:56 PM
Mar 2016

The Sanders Campaign have NO TIME if they are trying to win an election to get laser focus on "Election Fraud" claims. Let others on the ground handle that -- and they need to focus on a EARLY VOTING strategy in EACH UPCOMING state to counteract what is happening at the polls. Period.

If the campaign does not take this course of action and now, Bernie will lose the nomination.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
38. K&R
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

But Bernie knows he'll be accused of being a "sore loser". Getting accountability will be almost impossible. They (DNC types) have set it up for him to cornered, either way.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
46. Billary the real sore loser
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

she parrots a dead political paradigm and can't give into the fact that american dems, and the youth especially, don't want her.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
80. Funny, it seems
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

….especially apt to me, given that she's a female who is where she is because of marriage to a powerful man.

Not like an Elizabeth Warren, for example, who really is on the national stage through her own talent and who is a role model I point my daughters to proudly as having gotten the door open all on her own.

Speaking as a woman myself, I always noted how the Clintons touted that we'd "get two for one" and how the "Clinton Machine" always, always, means the two of them. But perhaps you don't hear the "illary" part directed at Bill? Or does your radar go off only when the underscore of her marriage is directed at poor Hillary?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
91. She was a top graduate, the valedictorian, of Wellesley College,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

one of the top 7 schools in the country for women in an era when the doors to the Ivy League remained firmly shut.

And she was one of the first group of women ever accepted into Yale Law school.

She had a world of possibilities out there with those credentials. For all we know, she slowed herself down by hooking up with Bill Clinton. And she clearly helped him as much as he helped her.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
93. Yeah, and when she
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

….met him, she was just working as a corporate lawyer. On a path to riches, but nothing special really. Doubt she'd have run for President twice based on her own record. She got the visibility and the WH cache and the contacts and the funding ties as his wife.

The 7 Sisters of the Ivies often attended classes at the men's schools. Cliffies went to Harvard etc. The shut door worked both ways BTW. Men weren't allowed to attend the sisters. By the sixties, a female at Yale wasn't all that remarkable. No one is saying she wasn't smart. But stay with the hagiography of her doing this all on her own if you must.

Besides, your own words—how she may have helped him as much as he helped her—underscore why there is nothing foul is calling them Billary. Can't play it both ways.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
94. Are you just making this all up, or what? Because you've got the facts all wrong.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

She met Bill when they were peers at Yale law school, and her first legal job was working with Marian Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund. She took the job at Rose Hill law firm when she decided to marry Bill and move to Arkansas.

There was no female contingent at Yale at all till the school went co-ed in 1969 -- the same year Hillary graduated from Wellesley. Yale had no sister school like Harvard and Radcliffe. So being one of the first class of women at Yale Law school was an extremely big deal.

Your prejudice against Hillary is showing.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
95. Well, see...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)

…..the problem began by you saying using the term "Billary" was sexist, when it's easily apparent that she's where she is because of getting her start via a marriage to Bill Clinton, the sine qua non of what "powerful man" means. Both of them, in fact, embrace the term. Or did, until this recent run for the WH ---where she now both wants to use him and to hide him all at once. And as someone from a long line of feminists, I resent "sexism" being shouted when in fact, it's nothing of the sort. Ill-deserved outrage hurts feminism.

By her own admission, she's an inept politician. In fact, it's well known that the health care effort that was "her baby" in the 90's failed because she alienated so many people in formulating it. And instead of having an ACA in the 90's we had to wait at least 16 more years. Certainly doesn't look like she'd have the trajectory she's on, purely through her own talents.

And it stands that her choice of job, after all that great ground breaking education, was in corporate law. Not environmental law. Not labor law. In fact, she soon became a board member at WalMart, where she voted for management over the workers.

Prejudice implies unconscious bias. I'm not prejudiced against her. I see her all too painfully clearly. I would no more point to her as a role model for my daughters than I would Margaret Thatcher. Because of her policies, which I'm not going to iterate here.

Have a nice day.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
90. all critics of Her are fersher SEXIST PIGS
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

except in the rare case that are RACIST WHITESPLAINERS

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
82. See my note down thread.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016

It's not just the young. It's every progressive of every age and gender that I know. Including my elderly mother.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
50. Bernie's campaign failed on GOTV. No conspiracy theory is necessary to explain
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

what happened. He didn't encourage his voters to mail in ballots, which the whole state had moved to.

That's all we use in WA and OR, and it doesn't stop people from voting. It makes it much easier.

http://www.azsos.gov/elections

How do I request an early ballot or vote by mail?

An early ballot may be requested from your County Recorder’s office. To have your name placed on the Permanent Early Voter List (PEVL), complete a new voter registration form and check the box marked “YES, I want to automatically receive an early ballot for each election for which I am eligible.” Or you can log in to Service Arizona and complete this request online.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
63. We have fully verifiable paper ballots. We can go online and make sure
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

our votes were counted.

And we don't have to stand in line at any polling places.

Hell yes, it's easier. And safer, too.

jello

(33 posts)
102. So glad you said that
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:24 AM
Mar 2016

PNWMOM keeps repeating how its done in PNW and doesn't get that its DIFFERENT in AZ!!

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
92. there are issues with mailin ballots as well
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

in my state getting your vote in is apparently a hit or miss prospect because labyrinthine rules re: the mailin ballot.
we have no PEVL, that would make it too easy for disabled persons especially those with mental illness and early-onset dementia.
i'm trying to get in touch with sanders campaign because i'm pissed that didn't get to vote for him as intructions were not explicit.
if you have contact #s pls provide via PM thanks.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
51. There is not enough time left before the convention.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

The campaign can stop dead in its tracks and try to overcome the screwups (mostly caused by the GOPukes) or continue continuing on. As adequately financed as Sanders' campaign is we will be better off concentrating on what lies ahead than straightening out what has happened.

As far as I know, after innumerable Presidential races starting with JFK, no election has ever been overturned by proofs of election fraud (and JFK's win in Chicago made anything happening in this campaign look like fuzzy bunnies and Disney Bluebirds.)

A challenge at the convention might do more for advancing the cause than fighting on two fronts. The Germans learned that in the 1940's. Gather evidence and so forth in case it can be important in Philadelphia but do not take the eye off the prize. If a few delegates from Idaho mean the train gets stuck in a sidetrack winning that fight will mean nothing.

chillfactor

(7,566 posts)
79. whine, whine, whine...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

you Bernie supporter are really good at that....you don't hear Hillary supporters whine about Bernie winning Idaho and Utah...

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
86. When Bush was trying the steal the election from Bill Clinton...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

I live in Florida in an area that used to be full of old dems who had lived through the depression and Roosevelt. They always voted dem reliably. Now they have died off. During that election, there was suddenly not enough voting machines in our precinct. After a long day at work, stinking with dried sweat, miserable and starved, I waited hours to vote. People in the line started sending out for pizza. Before that election and after, there have always been plenty of machines. We just walk in, vote, and walk out. Now the precinct is full of republics, of course, and the supervisor of elections lost her cushy job, so all is different now. We have become a red state. Hoping things will change.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
88. It's not about politesse;
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

more the fact that voter suppression takes place, and that should be anathema to anyone who believes in democracy.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
105. I disagree. This election isn't about a person... as numerous hilly supporters have said.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

It's about what will be brought to the table. And Democrats overwhelmingly prefer Bernie’s Democratic Socialism to Hilly's push for a TPP-instigated unfettered capitalism.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/02/22/new-poll-democrats-overwhelmingly-prefer-bernies-democratic-socialism-to-unfettered-capitalism/

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